Actual results of '77'[]
I believe that an incursion of the hostiles requires more than just the simple destruction of The Flame station. I believe it also sends an alarm out that an incursion has occurred.
If "The Others", as we know them, are not part of the Dharma Initiative, and they were guarding the station to insure that the alarm that they took over did not get out.
Sayid may appear upset with Locke, but Locke may have initiated their rescue from the outside world!
What do you think???
Highspeed 01:49, 8 March 2007 (PST)
It would seem to make sense that an incursion would lead to some sort of alarm. However, the way the choices on the computer are structured it seems like you only get the "77" option if all of the communications methods are disabled, in which case, how would the alarm be transmitted? But I agree that there definitely will be more consequences to "77" than just blowing up [the Flame]].--Jackdavinci 10:38, 8 March 2007 (PST)
It looked like different options were tried to contact Dharma HQ before the final "self destruct" command was available. This suggests that this was the last option, to destroy everything, and that other means of alarm are no longer an option.
Also, Locke's attitude just before the explosion suggests that he doesn't know that it's about to blow up. Also, it seems like he thought he had found something out after beating the computer, the reason Mikhail didn't want him to play. Perhaps that he thought the whole thing wasn't working anymore because nothing happened (so he thought) when he entered 77. However, it seems that Mikhail really didn't want him to play. At first Mikhail was fairly light-hearted about stopping Locke from playing, but as soon has he had chance he stopped him by putting a knife to his neck. This could just have been because of the C4.
In episode Par Avion we see that Locke at least knew about some of the C4 because he had some. So if this was the reason Mikhail wanted Locke to stop playing chess (the destruction of the Flame, and Locke knew there was C4 there yet was, I would say, suprised that the station exploded: it suggests that he didn't enter 77. But of course Locke says that he did enter 77 and he knew there was C4 in there - although it is possible that he didn't get the C4 from the cellar so didn't know the whole place was "wired-to-blow". I don't think that Locke is just stupid. Did he even cause the explosion? He didn't seem to be running for cover when he came out. Perhaps when he entered 77 the computer played another message telling him something, but not saying that the station would blow-up.
Bestrob 18:56, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
- I suppose that Mikhail could have just politely asked Locke to not use the computer. I wonder why he didn't. Bestrob 07:36, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
I think it is not certain, for now, if entering 77 was the reason the flame blew up. Although it's very possible, it's not 100% confirmed. Therefore I think the main article should be edited to say "possibly exploding the Flame." Surfmadpig 05:28, 9 March 2007 (PST)
- I Agree. Bestrob 18:56, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
Heat[]
I'm confused about the promo for the Enter 77 episode. Marvin Candle says something like "for mainland communication and to free heat". In the episode however, I did not hear him say anything about "to free heat".BL 06:07, 8 March 2007 (PST)
- presumably you mis-heard "enter three eight"? --Tarhun 06:10, 8 March 2007 (PST)
- I think you're right. BL 10:33, 8 March 2007 (PST)
Trivia[]
*The resolution of the "Ready to Play?" prompt is superior to the rest of the graphics shown on screen. Considering the size and assumed age of the computer, the smooth curves visible around the letter "R" would not be possible.
The keyboard is a post -95 International US keyboard, 104(5?)-keys QWERTY. Those have the Windows Logo(Super-key) and the Menu key. If the rest of the computer is as modern, as the graphics do suggest, the beveled graphics would be very possible. Ni1s 10:08, 14 March 2007 (PDT)
Complicated Override System or a Setup?[]
It seems odd that in order to activate the manual override of the Flame computer that a fairly long-winded process would first have to be carried out. Something that, if it is to be believed, even Mikhail had problems with as he implied that he couldn't beat the game. If the Flame station was under attack from the hostiles then surely this is too slow a way of raising an alarm.
His suggestion that the computer cheats leads Locke to say that only people cheat - linking in with the previously posted idea that there is a person controlling their side of the game at another location. This is similar to Michael talking to (perhaps) Walt, and the idea of Mikhail (truthfulness aside) playing chess over and over is similar to the entering of the numbers on the Swan computer. Does Mikhail know what happens if you beat the game? Is this the only way to activate the functions that beating the computer gives them? It looks like the whole thing is setup.
At what point was this system put in place? Marvin Candle mentions the hostiles so it must have been after contact between Dharma and the hostiles - if the hostiles even existed, aarrghh!!
Bestrob 18:56, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
I suspect it's not 'winning the game' that matters, but entering a specific set of moves. Locke knew intuitively which moves to make because he is in tune with 'the island'. --Jackdavinci 14:03, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
Did Locke respond to the computer's chess moves? I suppose he must have done. Given that Locke was playing as black he obviously goes second. That the game was a repeat of the Karpov vs Kasparov game, as good as Locke may be, I'm not sure that he would match Kasparov's moves; at least unknowingly or even with his "intuition". The game finished early (as in checkmate wasn't actually reached) so it does hint that it was this particular combination of moves was required. Did The Others/Hostiles/Whoeverelse know that Locke would be capable of entering the moves required? Was it just chance that it was Locke playing? I suspect I'm looking to far into this at the moment. I imagine that it's either irrelevent, or will become clearer as other questions are answered. -- Bestrob 11:13, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
Filmed in the Flame station?[]
The background of this video looks similar to a shelf in the underground area of the station (the one with DHARMA manuals). Or maybe I'm wrong. -Kemot from Poland 05:48, 11 May 2007 (PDT)