When Sayid & Hurley hear that signal a 2 time , the french message is another! But i dont know the translation , sorry.
--Cool Man 0912 14:41, 26 March 2006 (PST)
found it!
"ils vont nous aider" "nous allons allè au rocher noir"
"they're gonna help us" "we're going to the black rock"
--Cool Man 0912 03:24, 28 March 2006 (PST)
Brennan / Brandon[]
Are you sure Rousseau says Brandon ? Honestly, to my mind it's rather Brennan, but if anyone could confirm this, ...
18 Seconds Vs. 30 Seconds[]
I think that there's a much more realistic and obvious explanation for the fact that there are 18 seconds between each interation than any of the ones presented here: it was a production necessity. 30 seconds between each iteration would have been way too much time to waste on that scene, so 18 seconds was a reasonable substitute. I don't think we should read too much into the actual amount of time shown, as I think that if Sayid can figure out the math behind how long the transmission has been looping, he can surely accurately count the seconds between each of them.
- Maybe, but if the messages are indeed intended to be roughly 18 seconds long, the message would have been set a little less than 10 years ago (taking into account that the "Iteration" bit would be shorter at the begining due to less digits), I reckon the message could then be a reference to the purge. Bakunin said he arrived 11 years ago and the purge took place after that. Maybe its a little far fetched, maybe Banukin was lying about absolutely everything, but then the whole "I havent seen anyone on the island for 16 years" story from rousseau doesnt make much sense either.FabC 10:26, 5 May 2007 (PDT)FabC
Radio Tower[]
How did it become fact that this UHF transmission replaced the long-wave transmission of the numbers?
It is illogical to think you can transmitt UHF (what sayid said they had from the airplane) over a longwave antenna as the physical characteristics are wildly different.
- It was based on the fact that the stated purpose of the listening station that picked up the signal was monitoring longwave transmissions. What you say may be correct, but its also equally implausable that a people stationed at a longwave listening post were really listening for UHF. Dharmatel4 18:54, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
panic situation[]
"It's interesting to notice that Rousseau breathes a lot. The message seems to have been recorded in a panic situation with something (or someone) who had "killed them all" outside wherever she was."
To me it seems some bits have been recorded with a pretty calm tone of voice - particularly the whole "he is outside, brennin took the key" bits. She takes her time to ennounciate properly, the only time she really seems panicked is when she says "they are dead (breathes) they are ALL dead". Also, I'm french and the signal really doesnt sound convincing to me. The accent is really good (better than rousseau's) but the whole tone of voice makes it sound really faked to me. --FabC
rocher noir vs Black Rock[]
Am i the only one to think it's odd rousseau (or whoever left the message) translated the name of the ship "Black Rock" to "rocher noir" in the distress signal ? it's probably just so the viewers would think its an actual rock before they saw the ship... But i would say that 16 years ago, no french speaker would translate english names to french. For example in french we say "New York" not "nouvelle York". That's a little far fetched, but maybe the signal refers to an actual rock on the island, instead of the ship... FabC 09:45, 5 May 2007 (PDT)FabC
I wonder if that's because the writers hadn't originally planned on the Black Rock being the name of a ship and instead planned on it being a literal (or figurative) black rock. TheUnknown285 02:29, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Other facts / 35 second long[]
"Assuming the signal is 35 seconds long, and using Iteration 17294535, (...)"
- sayid says he estimates the message to be roughly 30 sec long
- the different versions of the message are all playing between 18 to 19 sec long in the pilot episode
Where does that 35 seconds estimation come from ?FabC 18:30, 10 May 2007 (PDT)FabC
- We now have a good basis for estimating the duration of the message. From Through the Looking Glass, we know that there were 255910 iterations between the day Shannon heard the message in S1E2 and the day Danielle turned off the transmission in S3E23. According to the current version of the timeline, 91 days passed between these two events. That makes the average duration of one iteration approximately 30.7 seconds. In turn, this would mean that if that average length remained constant from the beginning, the count began some 16.8 years before the crash. -- Cheers (talk) 17:30, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
- True. So i reckon we should remove all the stuff about timeline discrepancies and assumed lenght of the signal being anything different from 30 sec. As for how many years before the crash, it should be a little less than 16.8 years. the first 9 iterations of the message had only one digit, making the lenght of the signal a lot shorter. then the next 90 had 2 digits only, the next 900 had 3 digits only etc... Based on the lenght of one digit on the message, i calculated it should be roughly minus 3 month (so 16.5 years before the crash). But yeah thats not really relevant to anything right nowFabC 06:58, 27 May 2007 (PDT)FabC
Why's the message in French? Because...[]
I answered this on the main page (then removed it again, when I read the "don't answer questions here" tag. Whoops.) :)
Anyway, Rousseau's message is in French because that's her native language. She knows a large number of languages - at least, we know she knows how to ask "Where is Alex?" in a multitide of languages. The message is in French because that's the language she naturally speaks. If, for example, Sun recorded a distress message, it'd probably be in Korean, even though she's fluent in English as well. I mean, *I* can muddle my way through Spanish and German, but if it were me, I'd use English. :)
Anyway, I'm not bold enough to delete the question myself, but I believe this reasoning pretty much answers it. Whaddya think? --Shodan1138 18:23, 20 May 2007 (PDT)
- I don't agree with that. I'm French myself, and if i were stranded on some island in the Pacific, i would definitely use English for a distress signal unless the message was meant for specifically for French speakers in the area (like the rest of her team or something); Her English is pretty good so why risk the recipient of the message to not understand just because of the message being in French ? I would say because, lets face it, she was a bit insane at the time (her message makes no sense), and second, it adds to the mystery of the show for viewers who dont speak french, to rely on Shannon's poor translation and find out later she missed some interesting bits (like Brennan taking the keys etc..)FabC 06:51, 27 May 2007 (PDT)FabC
- The very specific content of the message and lack of generic information on who or where she is implies that Danielle is broadcasting to someone in particular, someone she believes is looking for her. Obviously that doesn't happen, and the result is we have the level of mystery mentioned by FabC, including the ability to make the subject of tuer ambiguously it or he -- and then add in 'I' because of Shannon's clumsy translation. The error in translating Black Rock is an unfortunate side effect. It was a neat twist to have "the Black Rock" not be a black rock, and Americans are generally ignorant enough of translation issues that it worked for them. -PolarBearSkull 00:10, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
Time line discrepency[]
Just as a comment, I did the math and according to the episode "through the looking glass" there would have been 255915 iterations(17550445-17294530) between the second episode and through the looking glass. Assuming they are 30 seconds each that would make the total numbers of days there only 88.859. but you need to add one because they found the signal on the second day so roughly 90 days which is shorter by at least 3 days from what the timeline says it should be. I'm not sure if this means anything but i thought i would throw that out there. and incase my math is wrong I am sorry but I think I did it right.--Sarkinare 16:50, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
- Lol. I had just done the same. Your only error, I think, is in assuming that the timeline should be adjusted to some arbitrary length of the message instead of doing the opposite, i.e. calculating the average length of one iteration according to the timeline, as it exists to the best of our knowledge. -- Cheers (talk) 16:59, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
- I wasn't implaying that it should be changed just that something seemed off, there are alot of things wrong with it like it is only roughly 18 seconds in the actual show ect. so it depends on what the length is if you go with it being 18 seconds like it is in the acctual show then there should have been 446400 iterations 190485 short of the correct number. However if the message is 31 seconds it works out almost perfectly--Sarkinare 18:03, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
Mystery?[]
Same as for the cable, we now know the wereabouts of the signal. I suggest it gets moved to another category. --Kraken 00:54, 27 May 2007 (PDT)--
- Yeah, it doesn't seem like a mystery anymore - at least Rousseau's message. Maybe the "mistery" should be changed to the Numbers transmission (who was transmitting it, why it was being transmitted, why did they abandoned the Antenna) and then explain about Rousseau's signal.
Video?[]
Do we really need a video for this article? --Ampts
- No, we don't; we don't embed videos with episode content on article pages. I've removed it. -- Graft talk contributions 15:20, 3 March 2008 (PST)