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i think its related to the "Philadelphia Experiment". my theory (hebrew !):
הסדרה אבודים - הצעה לפתרון החידה הגדולה
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אזהרה: ספויילר !!! יש לצפות קודם בכל העונה השניה (פרק אחרון: 23-24)
נא לקרוא בסבלנות עד הסוף !
לדעתי המפתח לפתרון הוא השדה האלקטרומגנטי שהאי אוצר בתוכו. ראיתם את האפקט שהוא גורם - אור סגול ובהיר יותר מהשמש, צליל על-קולי. זה מאוד מזכיר לי את "ניסוי פילדלפיה" - נא לקרוא את הפרטים בקישור הבא (וויקיפדיה בעברית): http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%99_%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%93%D7%9C%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%94 (ניתן גם לחפש בגוגל לפי “Philadelphia experiment / Philadelphia project”)
לפי זה אני מעריך כי הגורם לכל התופעות המוזרות באי נעוץ בתופעות ה"על טבעיות" שגורם השדה האלקטרומגנטי, שנמצא באי באופן טבעי ( ומי יודע – אולי גם זה יתגלה בסוף כמעשה ידי אדם...) לפרטים: 1. השדה גרם, לפי דברי דזמונד, להפלת המטוס, ע"י שיבוש המערכות שלו ו"משיכתו" לכיוון האי. 2. השדה גורם לבידודו של האי מהעולם הרגיל, וניזכר בדברי הנרי למייקל – שברגע שיגיע למרחק מסוים מהאי – לא יוכל לחזור... 3. השדה גורם לעיקום המרחב-זמן בצורה כזו שאנשים על האי יכולים לשמוע הדים מהעבר (שומעים קולות מהאוויר מדברים וכו') 4. תופעות הלוואי של השדה יכולות לגרום לשינוי האישיות, כפי שקרה ל"אחרים" ולדניאל או לבעלה כנראה, ולכן אנשי DHARMA באי (שעוד מעט נעמוד על תפקידם) שמרו על עצמם באמצעות חליפות מיוחדות והזריקו לעצמם תרופות נגד התופעות הללו (אם זה עזר ואם לא – אולי נעמוד על כך בהמשך).
כרונולוגיה: המיליונר, אביה של פן (חברתו של דזמונד) ייסד את פרויקט DHARMA (אולי בשיתוף הממשלות ?) למחקר התופעה של השדה, המופיע בכל מיני מקומות בעולם (בהנחה שהמקור טבעי – או שהוא עצמו יצר אותו בכל מיני מקומות מבודדים כדי לבדוק את השפעותיו כמו בפרויקט פילדלפיה) כמו שרואים בתחנת המחקר הרוסית (אולי בקוטב הצפוני ?) הם גילו את התפרצות השדה אלפי קילומטרים משם - באי. דזמונד החליט להשתתף במסע שיזם המיליונר להקפת העולם כדי להוכיח שהוא "גבר" והמיליונר ניסה להניא אותו מכך כי חשש שאולי יגלה על הפרויקט שלו. כך דזמונד הגיע לאי, וכך הגיעו אליו הניצולים מהמטוס שכאמור הופל בשל הטעות של דזמונד. אנשי DHARMA היו על האי כבר לפני שנים רבות ואולי מתו כולם או נעלמו (לעולם אחר??!) בשל תופעות השדה, והחליפו אותם ה"אחרים" (?) ואח"כ דזמונד והניצולים כעת. התצפיות ורישומי היומנים של אנשי DHARMA נועדו כדי לבחון את השפעות השדה על אנשים שנקלעו לאי או באו מרצון (כנבדקים/מתנדבים בניסוי).
זהו – אני יודע שיש בתאוריה הזו עדיין הרבה "חורים" אבל לדעתי אפקט השדה מסביר הרבה דברים ואולי זו התחלה של פתרון....
Very pretty. Now could we have that in English (or even French or Spanish) for those of us who don't read Hebrew?
--Doc 13:14, 5 June 2006 (PDT)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment the link above with englishness
.ogg
I just downloaded the file at the bottom of the page 'recording of the discharge' and seconds after my computer was infested with spyware and virus popups. Along with, security updates, spyware notifications, and my desktop was changed to an entire blue screen saying that my ip adress had been used to log on from a diffrent computer and that I was in very high risk of spyware and viruses. It also dowloaded a program on my computer called 'SpySheriff' which seemed to be the cause of some of the problems. I would say to excercise GREAT caution when downloading this 'recording' because it seems to be a virus. I am not sure if the program itself is a virus I jus think that it may have some unknown problems that may cause it to be a virus.--L0ST 19:08, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
This page could well be merged later with Fail Safe
I'll be adding screencaps later
-- Bramme 07:20, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
due to problems with my sound converter, i couldn't upload the .ogg file here directly, feel free to download it from the webspace it's on though -- Bramme 07:56, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
I'd be really sick if some sound pro's could manipulate this track a bit and it would suddenly seem that there is also a hidden message in it... like the whispers -- Bramme 08:10, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Hmmm...
Baring that they're just saving it for the season premiere , it's odd that no one goes to check out the hatch considering the quarantine door lands in the middle of camp.
The number of things that they could easily investigate - but don't bother to - is boggling.
- What happened to the hatch
- What was in the hole Locke was almost dragged down
- How there could have been a cigarette burning in the Pearl when it was a "locked room"
- Where the other end (the wet end) of the cable goes
These are just the ones that come to mind. I'm sure there are more. --Doc 07:36, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
Violet Light?
Is there any basis for saying that Claire sees Violet light? And where is there proof for other parts being blown into the air? as far as I saw, I only saw the hatch. I sent an e-mail to my physics professor asking if he could recognize the phenomena -- Bramme 09:13, 25 May 2006 (PDT) What does Captions say? I thought she said violent.--Meterman 9:29, 25 May 2006 {PST}
- I heard 'violet', if you rewatch the sequence you will notice the camera spins around wildly pointed towards the sky for around a second. The sky is clearly violet in this one shot. I suspect that the color is caused by either the brain's perception of color being altered by the intense magnetic discharge, or by the magnetism being so strong that it actually temporarilly disrupts lightwaves (not sure if that's possible) --Blakeeb 09:33, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Yeah I took a screencap of it... You can clearly see a part of the boat on it... Why the hell did someone change it back to claire??? media:Violetsky.png -- Bramme 13:57, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I heard 'violent' myself, and I've been seeing that on other sites as well. It also made sense because of Charlie's reaction. He was wondering what a 'violent colored' sky looked like. ArgentiumOutlaw 09:55, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- But remember that his hearing was greatly affected; this may have been an (albeit confusing) attempt at humor by the producers.
- The violet light could be caused by radiation, or possibly the very high magnetic field, ionising the air.
- But remember that his hearing was greatly affected; this may have been an (albeit confusing) attempt at humor by the producers.
--Push the darn button! 09:43, 5 July 2006 (PDT)
Theories
- I think it's safe to delete the theorie about how the discharge would've changed the earht's magnetic poles, seeing as this happens all the time, but only every few million years... The Earth's magnetic field is caused by inner induction of magma 'n shit (to keep it simple) you can't just change the way magma flows... This is simply impossible... I didn't delete it yet cause it seemed kinda rude to me simply deleting a person's theorie, but I hope some people agree with me... -- Bramme 13:43, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I have read a theory somewhere, saying the discharge or at least the electromagnetic anomaly could be caused by a meteorite... Since they speak off a "geological electromagnetic anomaly". I wanted to point out that this would mean that there is an abnormal amount of magnetite in the ground. This is impossible to be caused by a meteorite, as it is proven that meteorite's vaporize on collision with earth... Also, as far as I know, you can't charge Magnetite (which is the only magnetic mineral), so there'd have to be some sort of new material they found... Or a man made magnet... Hmmmm... (source: I study geology...) -- Bramme 14:39, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Meteorites, by definition, don't vaporize when they hit the ground-scientists have found lots of meteorites in places such as Anarctica. And it's customary on talk pages to indent with a colon (:) rather than bullet (*). -- Ramirez Selvarn 14:42, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- yeah, they leave minerals but no metals... magnetite is made of metal... don't even try and talk me out of this, or I will quote my handbook... They leave certain parts yeah, but not nearly enough to cause such an anomaly.
- Meteorites, by definition, don't vaporize when they hit the ground-scientists have found lots of meteorites in places such as Anarctica. And it's customary on talk pages to indent with a colon (:) rather than bullet (*). -- Ramirez Selvarn 14:42, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
A little anecdote to demonstrate: a few dozen years ago, a meteorite crashed and a guy who owned a mining company bought the ground the meteorite fell on. it was a rather large meteorite, mainly composed of metal. he thought: why dig hundreds of meters in the earth if i can simply pick it up now, with that size of a meteorite, metals should be right at hand... His mining company went bankrupt as they only found a few pieces...
- Allrighty, here we go... The course is from 2004, updated in 2005. Please don't mind grammar mistakes or so, cause I had to roughly translate it from dutch.
- When volimunous extraterrestric bodies colide with earth's surface at high velocity, pressure peaks of several megabars and temperatures over 1700°C are being generated. This makes that a large piece of the colliding meteorite vaporises. The powerfull explosion that is combined with the impact, gives birth to funnel (had to look that one up) shaped craters. The hit rock masse shatters and the blown apart pieces are ...
goes on about shattercones and new sorts of formed stones...-- Bramme 14:58, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Ok, I put this theory on the Swan page, but someone removed it, but I don't see why. The area that Sayid believes to be a geothermal generator could actually be a fusion reactor, protected by the "chernobyl" walls. The plasma being reacted in the reactor would give off a large electromagnetic field. Perhaps pressing the button stabalises the reaction somehow, preventing it, and its magnetic field, growing out of control. The Discharge could have been the reaction shutting down, possibly destroying the Swan with it. This would explain the very bright light. Also, as the reaction became uncontained, the magnetic field could have been large enough to pull parts of the island susceptable to magnetism towards it, causing the Earthquakes.
I like this theory, and I think it has more credibility cause you wouldn't expect it immediatly: The Discharge was actually the outside effect of the Electromagnetic Anomaly charging up, once the counter reached zero and the glyphs appeared, and rather then being a self destruct option, the Fail Safe is a switch that turns everything off, like an emergency shutdown... So when we see the white/violet light outside, it is actually before Desmonds turns the key... I don't know... It doesn't explain Kelvin's words though...
- Well, either Kelvin was misinformed (a pawn of the Dharma Initiative), or perhaps there was a large stock of nuclear fuel, and if the fusion reaction grew out of control it could have caused an explosion large enough to threaten all life on Earth. In reality, if the reaction grew out of control it would shut itself down outside the delicate conditions required for fusion, but perhaps the producers are unaware of this, or are using creative license. Alternatively the reactor could combine fusion and fission, like the Sun does. This would explain the magnetic effects, and also the extreme danger of the reaction growing out of control.
- I plunked in the (ugh, large) theory of the discharge being what everyone saw. If you want to see my take about Kelvin's words, they're on the Fail Safe stub where the conversation took place. However, I have to say, I think anything about nuclear power or fusion is stretching it... nuclear reactors are by water sources for a reason: the water supply, used to provide the steam that turns a generator. Putting one inland, rather than on the shore, is just nutty and dangerous. When I forwarded the theory of a magnetic bubble around the island, it was just that... around the island, not the poles of the earth. The timeframe of the sky turning violet when it did... don't forget, this is still TV folks. They still have to change scenes to show what's happening outside the hatch. :-) - Dnberry 13:17, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
Hi. Newbie. Ahem. Has anyone thought of Tesla? His experiments involved magnetism, electricity, light, frequencies, resonation and so on. These all have characteristics seen in the System Termination. In 1908 he tried to light up the sky over the north pole to show off his wireless power generator and distribution device. As a result of that he's often blamed for flattening part of Siberia. He and his experiments were often involved with the word 'incident'. One of the things that struck me was how the whole thing resembled a capacitor building up and discharging. Just my 2c. Ta. Greylines 16:52, 24 July 2006 (PDT) Greylines
Doesn't it seem strange to anyone else that Dharma would rely on their test subjects to have the only means of preventing this anomoly from destroying decades of irreplaceable work? I have to think this talk of nuclear reactors out of control and any other theory that would cause Dharma to lose all this work is way off base. My 2 cents worth also. --Stew Erickson 18:20, 7 March 2007 (PST)
Security System (Monster) Sound
It's odd, but just as the discharge is dying out and the light dies down--the shot of Bernard and Claire on the Beach--I'm sure I can hear what sounds like the Security System's siren in the background.
It could just be part of the "effect" that makes up the noise of the discharge. Maybe not.--Terryjb 14:13, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Stub?
I think we can remove the stub tag by now? or not? Someone should make a correct ogg conversion of the discharge... And it also sucks that windows soundrecorder only can record 60 seconds... That's just not long enough to also record the crash of the hatch door. -- Bramme 15:09, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Actually, you can extend Windows Sound Recorder's recording length by recording the full 60 seconds, then (without adjusting the slider) hitting record again. It'll go for another 60 seconds, after which you can set it to the beginning of the (now 120-second) clip and record two full minutes of audio. (This can be repeated as necessary to achieve the required length.) My first contribution and it's off-topic! Go figure. -- TravisSeitler 12:56, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
Facts
" This event is detected by the men at The Listening Station and reported to Penelope Widmore."
This seems obvious, but is there any hard evidence that it's really this event that is detected in the listening station? Are there any dates on the computer screens? --Dr.vogel 03:37, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
- As far as I know, NO... That's why I wonder if we shouldn't keep it in the Theories section, but leave it at top... -- Bramme 04:02, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
- In the May26th podcast, the producers suggested that it is the same event.--Dr.vogel 05:10, 30 May 2006 (PDT)
This is really the only thing that gets me about the show so far: how come the Others were so blase (whatever the word, they didn't seem disturbed) by the Discharge? It was a pretty big deal, what with the noise and the sky changing color. But after it happened they acted as if nothing was out of the ordinary. So what's up with that?
- From FHenry's attempt to convince Locke not to push the button, I can only assume that he wanted the Swan destroyed. Add in the assumption that the Others have the Swan under full surveillance (electronically or psychically) and it looks to me that the Swan wasn't important to them and that they knew it was going to blow. They may also be used to huge kabooms or strange happenings. Alternately, they could all be on prozac. --Doc 12:05, 13 June 2006 (PDT)
- My theory here is that the magnetic anomaly preexisted the DHARMA Initiative and so do at least some of the Others (possibly evidenced by Ben having lived on the Island his entire life). The DHARMA Iniative may have tried to control and or harness the anomaly, possibly among other things to maintain the absolute secrecy of the Island's existence (possibly evidenced by the observation of the Discharge by Penelope's crew). --Lostinspace 10:55, 13 October 2006 (EDT)
- My overarching theory builds from Ben wanting the Discharge to happen - he purposefully introduced doubt into Locke's mind about pushing the button. His only possible reason would be to get Locke to fanatically keep the button from being pushed. That's Locke's personality.
- If the Others were part of a scientific team investigating the ruins of an alien culture (the Statue) on this island, the Fail Safe might have been something left by the aliens that they turned on. They then would have discovered the ill effects of keeping the switch on too long and created the Lockdown sequence to discharge that built-up electromagnetism safely, while allowing a study of the effects of leaving the Fail Safe on.
- Then something happened that split the original research team, the "Cerebrus" event, possibly. The Others consider themselves the "good guys" in this equation. The Monster is being used, possibly by Patchy, to keep the Others at bay from this control station, to keep them from turning the Fail Safe off.
- The crash of Oceanic Flight 815 changed everything. Ben saw that he could use the confusion to fool the Monster and get Ethan into the midsection survivors, who landed squarely in the territory of the Swan. Further events allowed him to manipulate various survivors until he could finally get the Fail Safe turned off. Whether he expected someone like Desmond (a newcomer) or someone like Patchy (an original member of the scientific group) to turn off the Fail Safe is "up in the air".
- This would explain the relative nonchalance toward the Discharge events by the group led by Ben. They wanted that to happen, and always have.
- I still have questions with this theory. Why would they want it off? It has nothing to do with the "snowglobe" effect - Ben tells Michael after the Discharge that he can "find rescue" by heading out on a compass bearing of 325 only. That's something that Desmond was unlikely to have discovered just sailing around. So keeping the Fail Safe on wouldn't mean trapping everyone on the island.
- Also, if the Monster or those controlling it wanted the Fail Safe back on, why aren't they trying to convince the survivors and Desmond to turn it back on? The Monster is still quite operative, so the benefit of Ben getting the Fail Safe turned off versus a posited second group isn't apparent. There doesn't seem to be any loss of power from that second group that is apparent.--Boloboffin 09:05, 12 November 2006 (PST)
I actually believe this statement (at top of section) to be simply false. And I think simple logic reveals why, though at least one basic assumption will be made. The men at the monitoring station imply that the event the see happened once before, implying 22-09-04 when the plane crashed into the island. This happened not because of a discharge but because of failure to push the button. Therefore, the event they see is not the discharge, but the system failure that precedes it. I think this makes sense because during the system failure the "magnet" or whatever is behind the concrete in the Swan seems to be an attractive force during the system failure (maybe pulling the plane into the island). The discharge however, seems to have the reverse effect, as shown by the hatch door being slung high into the air with great force. Any comments? I concede that part of it is semantics, saying that it is not the discharge but the system failure they observe, but it could be an important distinction.--Two Coyotes 04:27, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
What are the facts that say the hatch imploded? It says on the article page that "In Further Instructions, it is revealed that the events during the discharge caused the Hatch to implode..." and then continuing with the observation that somehow, Locke, Eko and Desmond survived the implosion. BUT - that would be rather impossible if the hatch really imploded, wouldn't it? They were inside it. So it's pretty obvious that the implosion-theory is just that, a theory. No matter which character claims it imploded. (And even Damon Lindelof refers to "the hatch exploding, imploding or potentially doing something else" in a recent interview on TVguide.com...) --Noseman 2006 16:01, 13 November 2006 (CET)
In "Every Man for Himself", while Sawyer is regaining consciousness, Tom is saying "2 days since the sky turned purple. We've been blind. Our comms are all down -- I can't get them back up again.". So, was the magnetical anomaly used as an energy source, or was the magnetical "meltdown" the cause of Others' problems? --andreapasotti, 13 December 2006
- I'm pretty sure that the Discharge had the effect of a EMP, which damages all electronics within a set radius. --Marik7772003 14:49, 13 December 2006 (PST)
- Uhm, ok. And what about all the stuff on Hydra? Like Ben's cameras on Sawyer and Kate ("We've been blind"...in which way?), the television, the video recorder, Juliet's camera (used to record her secret message to Jack). --andreapasotti, 13 December 2006
Time
Has anyone thought that the time could be off like when the discharge is going off is the same the the system failure?? Its just a thought because the discharge and system failure are not that long you know.... eep
Why is this called The Discharge?
Kelvin said "The incident -- there was a leak. So now the charge builds up and every time we push the button it discharges it before it gets too big."
That is the only discharge we've heard of on the show, so who gave this article it's title? --SilvaStorm
Look man just leave the name alone ok... PROJECTX23
- Let me get a response from people who know more about it than yourself. --SilvaStorm
- I have to agree with SilvaStorm that The Discharge is not in keeping with the terminology expressed in the show. As far as we know, there are three distinct events that can occur in The Swan: 1) Discharge- As Kelvin said, when the button is pushed every 108 minutes, the electromagnetic energy is discharged. 2) System Failure- When the button is not pushed, a System Failure occurs, and metal objects are drawn to the wall. 3) System Termination- Use of the fail-safe key causes The Swan to implode. Because the violet sky/white light occurred as a result of Desmond using the key, I believe that "System Termination" would be a more appropriate title.--HerThighness 18:52, 14 November 2006 (PST)
- This is a really good point. For clarity's sake, I'd agree to go with the term "System Termination", although it might work better in the long run to call this the "Swan Termination," just in case there are other "systems" on the island. Or better, the "Fail-Safe Event." BoloBoffin 20:05, 18 November 2006 (EST)
- I agree that "Discharge" is not technically correct but when I saw the page for the first time I had no doubt what it referred to. "System failure" caused Oceanic flight 815 to come down and this time around no plane fell from the sky so if you name it like that it's going to give a false impression. There are currently some 80+ pages using "discharge" so it's pretty much become understood in the community. I wouldn't change it now.--EvilSmoke 18:28, 19 November 2006 (PST)
Why was the magnetic force there, and what happens now that it is gone?
Theories and Speculation
- rose dies/locke re-cripples -- healing magnetic energy now gone...
- magnetic field served as a tether for cerberus/smokemonster
- forcefield/cloak for the island,now people can find it, and cross the threshold.
Prince
These lyrics to 1999 seem oddly appropriate:
- I was dreamin' when I wrote this
- Forgive me if it goes astray
- But when I woke up this mornin'
- Coulda sworn it was judgment day
- The sky was all purple,
- There were people runnin' everywhere
- Tryin' 2 run from the destruction,
- U know I didn't even care
Alvis 00:11, 24 February 2007 (PST)
Incident = Discharge?
- I was wondering what others thought of the possibility of merging incident with discharge. Has the plot now confirmed these two are the same event? I was debating with myself whether to nominate it for merge, but had second thoughts aabout it. --PandoraX 08:05, 25 February 2007 (PST)
- We could and probably will eventually do that, but I'd play it safe for now. Although the evidence supporting the possible link between the two is pretty strong, we still don't have solid and confirming evidence. --Gateboy42 14:48, 26 February 2007 (PST)
- Incident =/= discharge. Incident was a separate event resulting in the need to push the button. Discharge is technically the result of pushing the button. The fail safe device and key were tools used to prevent a different, specific outcome (end of the world?). The Swan implosion, purple sky, unbearably loud grinding noise, etc. were all results of this different outcome, this article's specific event. The problem is there hasn't been one official name assigned to it, to my recollection. Discharge, technically incorrect, is used until an official name is presented. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:31, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
- That's absolutely right. The incident was maybe a couple of decades before the discharge, as it was mentioned in the orientation film as the reason why the push-the-button protocol was needed. -- c blacxthornE t 02:53, 16 April 2008 (PDT)
- Incident =/= discharge. Incident was a separate event resulting in the need to push the button. Discharge is technically the result of pushing the button. The fail safe device and key were tools used to prevent a different, specific outcome (end of the world?). The Swan implosion, purple sky, unbearably loud grinding noise, etc. were all results of this different outcome, this article's specific event. The problem is there hasn't been one official name assigned to it, to my recollection. Discharge, technically incorrect, is used until an official name is presented. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:31, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
- We could and probably will eventually do that, but I'd play it safe for now. Although the evidence supporting the possible link between the two is pretty strong, we still don't have solid and confirming evidence. --Gateboy42 14:48, 26 February 2007 (PST)
YouTube Discharge Vid?
I was hoping I could get some opinions on whether this should be added to the article:
Cheers, --Gateboy42 12:44, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
Rename
Swan implosion - There is nowhere in the show or in any producer commentary that makes reference to the destruction of the Swan as being anything of a "discharge". Discharge was a made up term after "Live Together, Die Alone, Part 1", when there wasn't much context for what happened (it wasn't known that the Swan imploded). It's a theory as to what happened electromagnetically. The event has only been talked about in the show or by producers as a detonating, imploding, exploding, or blowing up. What has been referred to as a discharge however is the Swan protocol, or pushing the button; the purpose of that was to discharge the electromagnetic buildup before it got too big. By all accounts, the nature of the fail-safe (called "system termination" on the lid) was a means of destruction or termination. At this point, it is pure speculation as to method or mechanics of how the fail-safe achieved system termination. To say that there was a discharge of the buildup presupposes a knowledge of the elctromagnetic interactions that happened, which we just don't have. We should title the article by something tangible that we have seen or heard via dialog or producer commentary. -- Graft talk contributions 23:58, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- I would suggest merging it with "failsafe" or calling it "system termination".
- There has been no clear explanation of what happened and "implosion" is as made-up as "discharge". The producers explainations have generally been useless because they don't understand anything about electromagnetism and treat it like magic. One of the reasons for discharge originally was that eletromagnetic pulses were repeatedly mentioned in season 3. And an EMP would have required a discharge. But they changed their mind at the end of season 3 and there was no EMP. We also can't assume an implosion because that doesn't provide an explanion of the event. There is no "implosion" that allows four people to survive. There is no implosion that crushes certain material while throwing other material far up in the air. I dont mind seeing it renamed, but if we are going away from a name that describes the event, i'd rather not have "implosion". Dharmatel4 00:22, 26 January 2008 (PST)
- The reason for "discharge" was that it was a conjecture based off the events of "Live Together, Die Alone, Part 1", way before season 3. As far as I know, EMP was only brought up once by Mikhail in "Par Avion", and anyway, an electrical discharge isn't really the same as an electrical burst of energy.
- But regardless, an implosion in which four people survived and materials were variously crushed or thrown upwards might have been made up by the producers, but that is what we have. They have incorporated many things into the show that can't (and might not) be rationally explained, like miraculous healing properties. My point is that at least "Swan implosion" is a characterization that was made up by them, not us. But, I would also consider other candidates: "System termination" is pretty good, although it's a little non-descriptive as to what system. "Swan detonation" might be one, or "Swan termination" or "Fail-safe activation". Really, any of those would be preferable to "Discharge". Also, when you say that we are going away from a name that describes the event, I think it's important to consider that we are dealing with at least three "sub events": triggering of the fail-safe, destruction of the station, and mysterious white/violet glow. My main point is that, while all of the sub-events should be included in the article, I think we need to steer clear of focusing on the white glow aspect of the event for the title, as there are other more tangible aspects available. -- Graft talk contributions 01:21, 26 January 2008 (PST)
- System termination refers to the actual wording on the lid over the place where the key is entered. The term is more authoritative than fail-safe because its written down rather than talked about by characters. See the picture in fail safe for a reference. I could live with Swan detoniation/termination/destruction. I agree about trying to find a term neutral with regard to the three effects. Dharmatel4 01:45, 26 January 2008 (PST)
- Personally, I think termination is neutral enough and would encompass all three "sub-groups" best. However, if people are looking for this page, they're more likely to search using the terms implosion or explosion since that is how the characters have referred to it. So I'm torn between those options but anything is better than "discharge".--MetallichickX 20:02, 23 February 2008 (PST)
Rename But to Swan Discharge becuase it was a proper Discharge and its was from the Swan Station. --Pacific Gilly 1992 15:33, 21 March 2008 (PDT)#
I vote we rename it Purple Haze--TimGomersall 10:33, 4 April 2008 (PDT)TimGomersall
- Undecided perhaps rename per Nick or similar, but discharge is widely used on LP so we'd need not only a redirect but also a reference in the article to discharge. The Swan implosion doesn't work because it's another result rather than the overall theme this article is supposed to be addressing. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 09:35, 15 April 2008 (PDT) edited 19:21, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
- Don't rename The truth is we don't have a name for the event within the show, so we might as well call it the discharge. There are plenty of other articles with descriptive names where a proper noun is not available. "Swan implosion" was one of the effects of the discharge. The implosion itself did not cause the purple sky, etc. That's be like calling this article "large hole in the ground where the Swan used to be". And "Swan implosion" is no more an in-show terminology than discharge is. If we absolutely must rename the article, it should relate to the direct cause, perhaps something like "failsafe activation event". Better yet, why not just merge this with fail-safe? --Jackdavinci 02:25, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- No Discharge is simpler, and what I, at least, know it as. -- Sam McPherson T C E 19:44, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
- No It gets more confusing, as discharge is the term used on most other fan sites. --Rhcm123|talk|contributions 19:56, 19 May 2008 (PDT)