claire and the pilot[]
why isn't this scene in here? i don't have the dvd so i'll leave it to someone who does to add it... --kaini. 15:24, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Ditto. We've all heard quite a bit about this scene, yet it isn't present in our listing.
I might be borrowing Season 1 from a friend soon, so, if necessary, I'll add the listing. --Aero*Zeppelin 16:56, 3 August 2006 (PDT)
Yeah theres also a Sayid unaired flashback too... not sure if that could be in as well. --Marik7772003 23:34, 10 August 2006 (PDT)
OMG, that's so funny, I was JUST about to post this same question about Claire and the Pilot. I own the S1 DVDs, so I'm certain it is one of the scenes. However, I'm not home right now to double check on the exact name. I'm going to add what I remember, please tweak it if you have it in front of you and can add details. --PandoraX 17:01, 30 August 2006 (PDT)
Question about deleted scenes[]
Since they are deuterocanon (originally planned as canon, but later taken out by the writers for a reason... though we don't know what that reason is), should they not be included in regular canon pages? Thanks. --PandoraX 13:59, 5 September 2006 (PDT)
I'm under the impression that these deleted scenes still count and are meant to be canon, but had to be cut for artistic or timing reasons. The Second Season DVD set has the special feature to navigate through character connections, and it included Claire and the Pilot. I believe that these should be considered canon, but I'll try and contact the producers or someone to help clarify.
As far as I'm concerned, The Pilot did interact with Claire, Rose did have a daughter who died, and Shannon's father did love beef stroganoff. --Aero*Zeppelin 14:25, 5 September 2006 (PDT)
- I'm the opposite view - I think if it didn't air it didn't happen. If the writers change their mind about a development in post-production, it would mean a deleted scene is non-canon. I still think it should be included in main articles, but words to the effect of "during a deleted scene...." should be used just to clarify so readers can make up their own minds --Nickb123 (Talk) 14:31, 5 September 2006 (PDT)
This is a tough one for me personally. The problem is that we are asked to speculate why TPTB deleted a scene. It could be:
1) inconsequential-to-the-plot reason, like they feel it doesn't add anything, and is making a scene too long/disrupting dramatic momentum
2) consequential-to-plot reason, for the Rose-had-a-daughter-scene, maybe they totally changed their mind, and there will be a scene later on that contradicts this, saying she could never have kids.
Anyway, just food for thought. It's tough for us to mind-read what the writers thought. I do find the stuff interesting, and hope it keeps getting added, but how and where is the debate.
--PandoraX 14:38, 5 September 2006 (PDT)
- Even though I originally added this scene to Rose's profile the recent discussion has made me reconsider. Since we can't read the writers' minds and unless it is specifically mentioned by a writer/director/producer whether the scene was consequential or not, it's probably best to just include it on deleted scenes page. So, with that, and all that came before, said, what is the final verdict?--scocub
Reorganized Best Buy/TV Guide sections[]
- They were kind of a mess, some were merged into the regular deleted scenes section, some were taken out into separate subheadings. Please add future ones to a different section, since regular consumers may be confused by why there are ones listed that they don't have. It would help if people could list where they believe the scene was cut from (episode), but I realize that at times this is difficult to figure out. I've also added links the transcripts of the regular DVD deleted scenes, which I and LJ4815162342 transcribed. If anyone would like to do a few *accurate* transcripts for the TV Guide/Best Buy stuff, please contact me (and try to use the same format)... thank you. --PandoraX 05:45, 6 November 2006 (PST)
French dialog in "Abandoned"[]
Does someone have an English translation for Philippe's French dialog? The transcript doesn't include it--just says "speaks to Laurent in French," and someone has suggested that he mentions the name "Sawyer" on the Sawyer (original) theories page. I'm doubting it, but thought a translation could clarify. Hazel 23:29, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
- Philippe says: "Sois gentil, fais-lui un petit sourire." Translation: "Be nice, smile to her a little." -- Cheers (talk) 10:19, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
Season 1: Lost Chronicles DVD[]
There are 3 scenes that are not on the article, they are 3 from season 1, they came with the LOST Chronicles DVD
- Added recaps of those :) --Alexisfan07 17 February 2008
Unaired script?[]
It's come to light on the talk page for Steve Jenkins that there occasionally scenes in the official scripts that don't get aired. It may be that they didn't end up in the DVD deleted scenes, or maybe they were never even shot. But some of these nuggets reveal interesting (albeit deutero canon) info. Does anyone have a list of similar scenes to the Jenkins one, and might we create a page for them similar to this one? --Jackdavinci 15:08, 7 April 2008 (PDT)
- DarkUFO has a few scripts here [1] I haven't read them all, but I know the ending of "Two for the Road" has a scene with Hurley on the beach waiting for Libby that was never shot or shown on the deleted scenes.--Baker1000 16:13, 7 April 2008 (PDT)
- There are heaps more deleted scenes that just didn't get added onto the set, as seen in promo pictures for episodes. I dont get why they dont just put all the deleted scenes onto the set, why select just some.
Proposal for deleted scenes section[]
- I find it annoying with the listing, for all releases standard dvd, best buy, bonus discs etc. I propose we divide all the deleted scenes into season groups, noting where they are released on. Perhaps have it layed out in the same style as the season guide pages or maybe have it layed out like the Lost mobisodes. What do you all think?
Deleted scenes proved non-canon?[]
- This may or may not be the best place to ask, but I was wondering, does anyone know which, if any, deleted scenes have been 100% proven to be non-canon (as in confirmed not to have happened off-screen let's say. I mean stuff that couldn't be put back into the normal Lostcanonverse without problem). We already know some deleted material was later put back into canon (Alex and Ben's season 3 talk, The Envelope, Claire's Exodus flashback etc.) so I was really just wondering if there was anything that couldn't, suddenly, be declared canon by TPTB. --LeoChris 22:00, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with most cases, but then theres Rose's daughter. Buffyfan123 02:59, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see why we can't just count them as cannon, I mean, if we do, it would give us more to work with, and then we get a better idea of the characters and we get more information about them. The fact that the lost dudes put them on the dvd's must mean that they wanted us to see them right? So I think they should be allowed on character, episode pages etc...
- We could just list a section for deleted material for the pages, or maybe expand the deleted scenes section, with a mobisode like feel design for the page. Buffyfan123 13:44, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- We can't assume a deleted scene is canon, unless a reliable source says otherwise. The scene may have been deleted for a reason other than time constraints, particularly if it reveals something about a character that the producers later decided they didn't want to be true. --Celebok 19:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Right. If Rose had a daughter from a previous marriage, that affects how we see her relationship with Bernard. If Libby married three times, that changes how David's leaving drove her mad. Various reasons can make the producers cut out scenes. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- But surely, the fact they included it with the DVDs means that they wanted us to know that information. -- Julietfan2626 Talk Blogs
- The season 6 bloopers section contains a scene of Kate seducing Lennon and making out with Sun. Not canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- You know very well that that isn't the same thing... Julietfan2626 20:27, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- My point is that the producers put things on the DVD that they think we'll get a kick out of. DVD presence alone doesn't make something canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:30, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm really torn on this one. We've had evidence of scenes being retconed into canon, such as Claire's Exodus flashback and Alex's chat with Ben, seen within smokey. I do firmly believe that those should count as canon. Others... not so much. I mean, in a podcast, Darlton said that the deleted Pikki flashback scene was cut for time. Okay, that's good. Does that make it canon? It *does* explain why Paulo and Nikki suddenly decided to become more involved with the rest of the group, and if I was in charge of the show, I would have left it in but all of that is beside the point... Do we really wanna treat each scene differently depending on whether or not we have evidence as to why it was cut, and if so, because the producers explicitly said it was only cut for time? It's still a MAJOR step below the scene actually airing on TV in another context, if you ask me. --LeoChris 21:06, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- If we use a blanket policy, we have to go with non-canon. But yes, if the producers confirm one scene as canon, it's canon. I'm not sure "we cut it for time" means "it happened, but we didn't show it." For instance, the producers wanted Sawyer to object to the "Live Together, Die Alone, Part 2" mission, but they cut it out (I think) because they couldn't find time to include it. So we'd have to look for very specific language from producers to call a deleted scene canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 21:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I have the same feelings as Balk on this issue. I totally agree that deleted scenes should by default be non-canon, and only be declared canon if an authentic source says it is. I'm also okay, in principle, with the idea of "it was cut for time" being a declaration of canon. The biggest problem I see with that is verification. Like you said, it has to be specific language from the producers. Some user might read an interview online where a cast member remembers filming a lot of scenes that were cut from a certain episode because it was too long, and then that user goes and adds info from one such deleted scene to the character's article, without citing the source. Weeks later, another user questions where the info came from, and the user can no longer remember where it came from but insists he heard somewhere that the scene was cut for time. An edit war ensues because nobody can verify any claims of canonicity. --Celebok 05:51, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
- If we use a blanket policy, we have to go with non-canon. But yes, if the producers confirm one scene as canon, it's canon. I'm not sure "we cut it for time" means "it happened, but we didn't show it." For instance, the producers wanted Sawyer to object to the "Live Together, Die Alone, Part 2" mission, but they cut it out (I think) because they couldn't find time to include it. So we'd have to look for very specific language from producers to call a deleted scene canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 21:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm really torn on this one. We've had evidence of scenes being retconed into canon, such as Claire's Exodus flashback and Alex's chat with Ben, seen within smokey. I do firmly believe that those should count as canon. Others... not so much. I mean, in a podcast, Darlton said that the deleted Pikki flashback scene was cut for time. Okay, that's good. Does that make it canon? It *does* explain why Paulo and Nikki suddenly decided to become more involved with the rest of the group, and if I was in charge of the show, I would have left it in but all of that is beside the point... Do we really wanna treat each scene differently depending on whether or not we have evidence as to why it was cut, and if so, because the producers explicitly said it was only cut for time? It's still a MAJOR step below the scene actually airing on TV in another context, if you ask me. --LeoChris 21:06, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- My point is that the producers put things on the DVD that they think we'll get a kick out of. DVD presence alone doesn't make something canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:30, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- You know very well that that isn't the same thing... Julietfan2626 20:27, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- The season 6 bloopers section contains a scene of Kate seducing Lennon and making out with Sun. Not canon. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
New layout for deleted scenes[]
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screencap placed on right, but couldn't find one at this time. Buffyfan123 13:17, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. This article could do with a little update to make it more readable. You could also link to the Delete Scenes transcript for each scene. There's an article for each season, so we just use # I suppose. It's not worth having an article for each scene. This article is pretty long as it is, and with these sectionboxes it would be even longer. I suggest splitting it up by season. Thoughts?--Baker1000 19:39, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I like the look of this too. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:24, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah a link to the transcript I agree with that. One article per season that could work hmm. Buffyfan123 03:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Hows this: I have to work on the spaces between each deleted scenes, but u get the idea.
| Season 1 Deleted Scenes | ||||||||||||
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Buffyfan123 11:21, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Was looking at the other Lost wiki and they set out there deleted scenes pretty good, with a solo page devoted to each deleted scene. Take a look: http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Deleted_Scenes_/_The_Lost_Flashbacks
Buffyfan123 15:17, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think we should make separate articles for each. Remove the transcript (which already has a page) and the scene has just a synopsis of a couple lines. I prefer your layout above. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 15:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- aww cool, yeah I like mine 2, easier to follow. I'll wait for two people to comment, before making the changes to the page. Buffyfan123 16:24, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I like the first one. The second one looks terrible and too busy. Julietfan2626 Talk Blogs
- Another one played around with:
Season 1 Deleted Scenes[]
| Name | Deleted from | Summary | Released on |
|---|---|---|---|
| Smoking | "Pilot, Part 1" | Sawyer is smoking then Charlie comes and says, "Are you sure you should be smoking with the plane...stuff." Then Charlie asks Sawyer for a cigarette. | Season 1 DVD and Blu Ray |
| How Do I Know You? | "Exodus, Part 1" | Claire walks up to Rousseau while she's preparing for The Black Rock and asks her where she knows her from, assuming that she saved her from Ethan. Rousseau denies ever meeting her. | The Lost Chronicles DVD |
- I prefer the earlier layout, but with spaces between scenes. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 16:57, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
Buffyfan123 16:50, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- Why not just have them like mobisodes? Make them have their own page each. Julietfan2626 16:50, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- We could. But most deleted scenes are shorter than mobisodes, and non-canon. They're also mostly pointless (that's why many didn't make the cut). It just seems wrong for the encyclopedia to assign deleted scenes more importance that actual scenes. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 17:02, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I reckon that would work, if we did have a mobisode page layout the page would become very very long, so we'd have to split it into seasons per page. Having each deleted scene layed like like my first option with one page per season, also displaying a photo for each deleted scene. What do you all think? Buffyfan123 16:56, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I want that. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 17:02, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- Okay shall we vote
- option A = mobisode layout one box per deleted scene with photo
- option B = all in one box with spaces
- option c = table form
Buffyfan123 17:06, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- A - Julietfan2626 17:06, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- A - - Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 17:11, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- A - Buffyfan123 17:13, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- A - with an article for each season so it's not too long :)--Baker1000 19:53, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
- Yep an article per season, yep so its not long. Will we have to put that through Lostpedia main talk page for new article pages. Buffyfan123 03:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- No, just go ahead and make them. Let's see how they turn out. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 03:56, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Cool I'll make them now, just need to find caps for season 1 deleted scenes. Buffyfan123 04:05, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I see nothing wrong with taking them from Lost Wikia. We're all wikia. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 04:12, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- hehe aww wow forgot about that, hehe aww yes I shall use them from there then. Buffyfan123 04:15, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Season_1_Deleted_Scenes - So far, the images are taking ages to load, but I'll leave that for now to see what u all think and work on it more later Buffyfan123 04:32, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Instead of inserting "Transcript: #1" in each, what if we link the title to the relevant part of the transcript? For instance, name=[[Season_1_deleted_scenes_transcript#Smoking|Smoking]] --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 04:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- aww thanks that helped, forgot how to do that. I'll work on more when I get time. Buffyfan123 06:16, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I made a deleted scenes section box. That'll cut out some duplicate code. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 07:36, August 26, 2010 (UTC)