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Too big a spoiler here for me. :(

(not accusing anyone of anything, shouldn't have read the article, my own fault really) --skks 07:27, 20 March 2006 (PST)

AFAIK this was only a preview from a TV magazine...

I know what you mean.. i've hit the pages for up coming shows, managed to not read anything by luck i think, I dont even watch the "next week on lost" bits if i can help it --MRNasher

A 'So-so' to 'Great' episode.

Not the greatest episode.. you can work out the revelation all too easily, we've seen this kinda move before so its no big surprise, but any Hurley episode has to be great!

Worth it alone for the Sawyer fight.. who knew Hurley would be the one to lay the smack down.

Was a bit of a shame after the awesome build up of last week to have the Henry Gale story cut down to nothing and not have them persue the issue.. At least we know now what Gale (loosely) is.. i actually wanted him to be innocent.. would have been more interesting.

I felt it was a tad flat considering last weeks ramping.. was deadend by all the flash backs and non-main storyline sequences.

Libby's history has been confirmed though! Which was lovely.. it was an idea i really liked and hoped for.

Cant be surprised that we have more questions than answers again..but it kills another week before the season final, which should kick things back up again.

--MRNasher

It would make sense that Libby is a pathological liar. Remember, she was caught in a lie about seeing Hurley on the Plane when he stepped on her foot "crunch". This means that she lied to everyone saying that she was a clinical psychologist (she really meant psychology patient). She lied to Claire and Kate when they sought her help to recall Claire's lost memories (that means she was just winging it when she was giving her "treatment"). "That depends on what you're trying to remember"...no it doesn't! She's just another one of those mental patients who thinks they're a doctor.

Btw, I thought when Sawyer made that joke that he had enough supplies to open up a chain of convenience stores and that Sayid could work there, it was making a comment about Naveen Andrews more than Sayid (the stereotype is that Indians work at convenient stores, right? Naveen Andrews is Indian, Sayid is Iraqi). -jon2286-


It was certainly a lot "slower" than Lockdown, but I don't think that lessens the entertainment value. I did quite enjoy this one really. Sure, it was predictable... by the time the polaroid was taken, doubt there were many people that hadn't figured it out. Also liked Sayid caughting HG in a lie, the look on his face was just priceless. :) Sayid did it just the right way, he stayed calm, just caught the bastard out... and ofcourse, someone finally kicking Sawyer's arse. Great episode. --skks 06:45, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Our power went out and I missed the first 18 minutes of the episode. I can't believe nobody's recapped it yet. --Uth 09:28, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

I loved the mindfucking in this episode though. Kinda made you think when "Dave" mentioned that it's too much of a coincidence that Leonards numbers were all over the place. --Jambalaya 02:45, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Some Questions

As I stated above, a power failure caused me to miss the beginning, especially the entire HG interogation. I have questions that I haven't seen in any recap so far, can anyone answer them for me?

  1. HG apparently said Zeke was nothing, but how did the topic come up? Did they refer to him as 'Zeke', 'Mr. Friendly', 'Bearded Guy', or what?
  2. Why didn't Sayid kill HG?
  3. How did Ana Lucia suddenly become in charge of controlling access to HG?
  4. What did HG say that his relationship with the Others is exactly?
  5. How did the interogation end? I admit, I was kind of surprised to see that HG was still alive at the end of the episode.
  6. Did Locke say anything more about the map or lockdown?
  7. How bad are Locke's injuries?

Interesting Question:

  1. If Jack won the medical supplies from Sawyer in a game of poker, which Hurley was watching, then why did Hurley go to Sawyer to get his medicine?

Odd Question:

  1. Did anyone else notice the differences between when we see the Dave and Hurley picture taken, and the one the doctor shows Hurley? The picture showed to Hurley does not show the man to Hurley's right, and the windows appear MUCH darker. Also, in the picture there is a plate with celery and peanut butter. In the original shot, it is only a plate of celery.
Interesting. I didn't notice this at all. Someone should take a couple of screen caps and add the pictures to the article. This could be a production error, but knowing the creative team they wouldn't screw up a detail like this... --Sid67 17:45, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
I could add some pics of it, but it'd be poor quality since I can only transfer from tivo to camera to computer. This is counterproductive because I think the best evidence of a of the two scenes being purposefully different is the celery plate/PB + celery plate, which needs a detailed pic to see properly. Oh well....someone with a Tivo check it out. I think the scenes are at 25 Minutes and 39 Minutes.
Update: Someone was way ahead of me. In the "Dave (Hurley's Friend)" page this theory is presented. With a better look though, it seems I was wrong in saying the polaroid had a peanut butter/celery plate. However, the position of the celery in the polaroid DOES appear to be different. Everything about this contradicts itself it seems.--Loki 20:21, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Who threw the DHARMA supplies? i thought DI is not there anymore? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daygoor (talkcontribs) 2008-06-01T07:33:32.

Some Answers

This is going by memory, so don't hang me by my toes if I'm a bit off. But I shouldn't be though.

  1. Henry Gale said "He will kill me", insinuating that there is a higher power. This He we've been hearing about. When Sayid refered to him as "The man with the beard" HG replied with "Him, he's nothing"
  2. HG said "I'm not a bad person" -- which is the same odd terminology used by Goodwin and The Others
  3. If you did miss it, HG said that he found HG hanging from his balloon with a broken neck. After he told this story, Sayid pulled out a $20 bill that had the REAL HG's writing on it to his wife that he was going to try to make it to the beach and start a signal fire, which totally sunk HG's story, and the look on his face
  4. Sayid would have killed HG, but Ana Lucia knocked his hand (which was holding a gun pointed at HG) away just as he fired. HG thanked her, but she told him to shut up and locked him back in the armory
  5. He didn't specify to much extent about his association with The Others
  6. Locke went in to ask Henry some questions. He first asked his name, where HG said to just stick with Henry, he's gotten used to it. He went on to state that the hatch was "a joke". That when he went into the dome, he watched the computer countdown and tick down to nothing. Then the "hieroglyphics" came up, all 5. Then "a loud sound, like big magnets" started up. "It was all very frightening" is said, then the numbers ticked back to 108. He said he never entered the numbers, never pushed the button. Locke said that HG was lying but HG shook his head and said "I'm done lying"
  7. Locke is hurt pretty good, but Jack's "best guess" is a hairline fracture. He's on crutches, having vividly rejecting the offer of the wheelchair found in the wreckage. (most likely Locke's)

Just a comment -

  1. This obviously shook Locke's faith in the hatch, BUT HG has lied with ease, deadly intuition, and psychological grace before, which could possibly be happening again. But his story would match up to the sounds that we heard in "Lock(e)down". HG stated that he entered the numbers and 10 seconds later the doors came up. This didn't match the timeline of the doors and the alarm.

Interesting Answer:

  1. Jack did win the medical supplies. But you must remember, he won the supplies, then that night, the food was parachuted in. Then the next day Sayid interrogated HG (again after they found the REAL HG), and Jack fixed up Locke. Hurley destroyed his stash, and the food from the supply drop was distributed. So "Dave" was (should) only be the next day, which would parallel the fact that Jack said he'd "come back for the supplies later", thus negating that Sawyer still had the supplies, which is why Hurley would have asked him.

I hope I answered your questions. Long Live Lost! - MisterHighway 4/7/06

Thanks for the answers, it's much clearer now. Though it's interesting that HG knew who Sayid meant by the 'Bearded Guy', when the 'Bearded Guy' isn't actually bearded. I see potential for misidentification there. --Uth 18:04, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

This also indicates that Kate hasn't told Jack (or maybe anyone) about what she found in the Staff locker. Wonder why?--Tricksterson 07:14, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

Additional Information

  1. Jack takes a "best guess" that Locke has a hairline fracture to his right femur
  2. Locke refuses an offer to use the wheelchair and instead is using crutches to get around
  3. Locke does not mention the blast doors
  4. Not-Henry asks to be called Henry as he's become used to the name
  5. Henry tells Locke that he watched the countdown reach 0, watched the hieroglyphics come up, and heard a loud thunking sound, then the countdown reset. Locke had a hard time believing that the numbers reset on their own
  6. Anna Lucia and Sayid caught Henry in another lie when he claimed that the real Henry Gale had been found hanging in the canopy with a broken neck - it turns out that Henry Gale made a letter to Jennifer, his wife, on a bill in his wallet that mentioned that he was going down to the beach
  7. Sayid intended to kill Henry but his shot missed when Anna Lucia tackled him
  8. Libby convinced Hurley to destroy his food stash. And just as he finishes and feels good about his action, everyone comes running by to find the food-drop (Hurley is disheartened)
  9. Henry refers to "the one with the beard" as "Him? He's no one". Henry was asked who he was talking about when he referred to "HE"
  10. We find out that Hurley was on a deck with 23 people, that was built for 8 people. Hurley stepped out and the deck collapsed, killing 2 people. His mother then sent him to be institutionalized
  11. Hurley developed an imaginary friend named Dave who encouraged Hurley to eat and not change
  12. Hurley finally confronted Dave in the hosptial and told him that he was imaginary and didn't see him after that
  13. Until Dave shows up on the island and tries to get Hurley to "Wake up" out of a catatonic state by jumping off a cliff. Dave jumps off but Hurley is saved by Libby.
  14. Libby kisses Hurley
  15. We find out that Libby was institutionalized herself in the same place as Hurley. She appears right at the end of the episode, and she seems extremely nervous but withdrawn.

Vanilla Sky

Ive just watched "Dave" and couldnt help but notice a certain similarity to Vanilla Sky, which got me thinking even more, it has struck me throughout the show, is it me or do the sky and water shots look ethereal at times, like they arent quite right? - Morrison

That's probably just the color correction LOST goes through in post production. Sorry. Evil-pineapples 16:21, 6 April 2007 (PDT)
You can interperet it any way you chose. The point of the show is both its plot and its style, the symbolism and juxtaposition and whatnot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TomCaruso (talkcontribs) .

Detractors

I don't know if you all are familiar with the ways in which networks advertise the shows to set up expectations, but looking at Dave's monologue before he "dies" in that context is pretty interesting. For example, before Prison Break came back on air, they showed an episode preview for the second episode of the second half of the season and in it there's a shot of the two main characters running away to freedom in a sewer. Obviously that wasn't the case in the next week's episode. Also, remember the episode of Lost that ended with the suggestion that Locke was going to truly flip out on Jack for being controlling? Well that never actually happened and hasn't happened (5 episodes later now). My theory about Dave's monologue is that it's the Lost writers feeding the audience fodder for the theory that all of the people on the island are in suspended animation in some kind of Dharma lab. I think we should be looking at what Henry Gale said at the end of the episode as a more important way to model theories, but that's just me.

I agree. This is most likey NOT a make believe island. HG and The Others know things about this place. And do indeed have connections with Dharma. I simply refuse to think that this island is just a figment of a characters imagination on the show. (I know the island is actually fictional being a tv show, I just don't think that Hurley or Libby made it up. HG is going to be a key factor in the future I think. Possibly even an informant/turncoat. - MisterHighway

I see a significance in the fact that Libby tells Hurley this cannot be made up, as things have happened to her, then we find out she was also in the mental hospital. It is possible she is having the same experince as Hurley. Howver I agree that this is just all too simple, and wouldn't explain all the actions that occured without Hurley's knowledge. (e.g. the raft occurances) -RNew

Trivia

  • This might be the first episode to feature two persons in flashback: Throughout the show the flashbacks feature Hurley, the very last scene though clearly centers around Libby in the Santa Rosa Mental Institute.
    • Just to get, however, Jack was in Shannon's flashbacks and Sawyer was in Boone's...however due the method of filming (panning around Libby as she watched Hurley from behind) and how that specific scene seemed to be from Libby's POV, does make this highly possible. A producer did mention that the episode might be partially Libby centric.
    • This would be true only for flashbacks that do not involve the Sydney Aiport. Several flashbacks show the interactions between main characters there.

Not really. "Special" has a Walt scene in it without Michael and "...And Found" cuts back and forth between Jin and Sun's perspectives.--Tricksterson 10:22, 11 April 2006 (PDT)

Libby flashback

Technically, this episode is also Libby-centric, due to the last flashback, which is clearly from Libby's point of view. She only has one flashback, just like Walt does in the Season 1 episode "Special" that otherwise centers around Michael.

I don't think we're counting appearance in a few frames a flashback episode. With the same logic, Hurley should be part of the Jin episode where he appeared on the tv etc. --skks 14:01, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

I agree. This flashback was definitely Hurley-centric. IE, it revolved around Hurley. This does not count as a Libby-centric flashback.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 14:13, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

No, Hurley's appearance in Jin's flashback is still from Jin's point of view, whereas the flashback showing Libby in the mental hospital is from Libby's point of view. Notice that the camera angle is originally to Hurley's back, and that it pans on Libby. Also, Dave is not visible in the scene. If it were a Hurley flashback, it would have shown Dave instead of nothing. This is clearly a Libby flashback, and seeing as no other episode this season will be Libby-centric, this is the closest we have to the spoiler that Libby would have a flashback episode this season.

Still, 'libby-centric' would suggest she'd get more than the 5 seconds. Where did you hear this spoiler? Maybe she'll get some flashing in the clip show. --skks 18:39, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

From Spoilerfix.com: 01/24 - You will get your Libby episode. This season. Source: Matt Raggs at The Fuselage

Like I mentioned before, the episode "Special" is considered to be both Michael-centric and Walt-centric even though only one flashback is from Walt's perspective. The same applies here for Libby... She has a flashback, therefore it technically counts a flashback episode for her.

On Libby I put for flashback "end of 'Dave'". Hope this satisfies. If not, let the moderators make the decision--Tricksterson 07:58, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

I've had enough of pulling rank for one day, but I do disagree. The scene was initiated as a Hurley flashback even if Libby appeared in it. I don't remember much from the special, as I usually tend to skip clipshows, but I'm assuming Walt's flashback was initiated by Walt? I guess the main problem I have with this is the little screen time she has in the flashback, thusly saying she is the centerpoint in the episode doesn't make much sense to me. In any case, I'm done with this topic. --skks 09:53, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

The reference wasn't to *a* special but to the Season 1 episode "Special" which is primarily Michealcentric except for one scene with Walt, his mother and his step-father.--Tricksterson 10:19, 11 April 2006 (PDT)

"Flashback" implies that a character is remembering something from their past. If the scene with Libby in Santa Rosa was a Hurley flashback, that would mean that Hurley was remembering seeing Libby there. If that was the case, it would have a huge impact, and we wouldn't just see Hurley making shadow puppets and laughing with Libby in the following episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rutherford (talkcontribs) 2006-04-15T16:41:16.

Discoveries Edit

"- What numbers did you play? - Leonard's numbers, right? From the hospital? What a coincidence.. You, uh... seen them around anywhere else? - The hatch. - Bingo!" I don't understand how this is a discovery from this episode. It doesn't tell us anything new. Moved here from the main article. Please explain... --Rufus 00:37, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

I think it was originally "Seen him around anywhere else" which was misheard. I corrected the quote from 'him' to 'them' as it was in the episode. What the quote is about is pushing Dave's version of events, I don't see how it counts as a discovery though. --skks 09:56, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

Judging by her appearance in the Mental hospital, it would appear that Libby's problems were more than just being a pathological liar. --Uth 13:40, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

Not farfetched...

Ow, c'mon, can't Libby love Hurley for his natural charms and cuteness?.





Yeah, you're right...
†††GodEmperorOfHell††† --17:59, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

In a flashback, it is revealed why Libby looks so familiar to Hurley - she was a patient in the Hospital at the same time (although her appearance was different - she has brunette hair). Hurley has yet to realize this. --Suzy 18:29, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Airing Question...

I would like to know if this episode has a "Previously on Lost" opening? I ask this becuase on the E4 UK airing there was no "Previously on Lost" and instead went straight into the episode. - Dee4leeds 04:52, 18 August 2006 (PDT)

It also didnt appear on the C4 UK showing - Dee4leeds 04:46, 23 August 2006 (PDT)

Renaming

As per what I've seen with the episode ?, the article marked ? became a disambiguation page for both the episode (moved to [[? (episode)]]) and the location (moved to [[The ? (Pearl Exterior)]]). Should we do the same with Dave by turning this into a disambiguation for Dave (Hurley's friend) and move this page to Dave (episode)?--Aero*Zeppelin 17:09, 6 October 2006 (PDT)

  • Move as per my above reasoning. --Aero*Zeppelin 17:09, 6 October 2006 (PDT)

What was the example she gave?

Libby asked Hurley the name of a guy among the Tailies -- I can't remember if she said his leg was broken or not. What was the exact wording? Was this Donald? Thanks! --Amberjet11 14:11, 2 November 2006 (PST)

VOTING TIME

Issue at hand - Is this a Libby episode as well as a Hurley one?


Yes - Of course it is I don't see the problem. She has a flashback from her POV. It's only 1 but Walt only gets one in Special and its still his episode too. Exodus characters get 1, its still their episode; Pilot characters get 1 and guess what? Their episode. Princess Dharma

  • No I'm not sure though what the vote is really about :D If it is about identifying the Flashback character, which I have assumed to be the point of this poll when making my vote, then I don't find this episode nor its flashback sequences to be Libby-centric any more than "Man of Science, Man of Faith" can be centered around Desmond along with Jack, based only on the fact that Desmond appeared in the Flashbacks, as well as being pivotal to the episode events...However, my vote is as I mentioned based on my interpretation of your point above..so it may very well change based on your further elaboration of it.
-- 18:59, 28 January 2007 (PST)
I'd like to point out that Libby certainly does get a flashback or she would not be able to see Dave. Desmond however did not get a flashback in Man of Science Man of Faith so it is not Desmond Centric. I acknowledge that she gets one flashback in the episode but Walt gets 1 flashback in Special and it has been credited as his flashback episode. Princess Dharma
  • I think that this is a Hurley-centric episode and Libby just appears within it; her scene is not focused around her, anyhow, whereas the Walt example is primarily featuring him. I hope that made sense.. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:05, 29 January 2007 (PST)
  • Although Walt appears in Michael's flashback he only has 1 to call his own. Just as Libby does. Princess Dharma
  • Yes she is silly! The camera spins around her and shows her staring at Hurley. Princess Dharma
  • Don't call me silly. I find it rude. OK, so I was wrong, and I apologise, but there's no need to be rude. I am leaving this discussion; I will not take that. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:22, 29 January 2007 (PST)
  • !!!! :-O!!! OMG!!! I didn't mean to cause offense! How does 'silly' cause offense :-( Sowie honey. Princess Dharma
  • No - the flashback label is regarding characters who are central to the flashback storyline, and Libby only appears briefly in the end. However Libby may indeed be added to the category of Hurley's flashback characters. But "Abandoned" is not a Jack flashback (even though we see him), and neither is "What Kate Did" a Sayid episode, even though we see his photograph. I hope the use of the "Hurley flashback character" category will satisfy your needs for Libby. (Also note that votes are only straw polls and listed points of debate, and not necessarily decided by majority) -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  22:53, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Guest actor crediting

It IS Libby centric

To say this isn't Libby centric just because most of the flashbacks aren't from her POV is absurd...should we reclassify Special as only Michael centric, since most of the episode centers on him and not Walt? "But "Abandoned" is not a Jack flashback (even though we see him), and neither is "What Kate Did" a Sayid episode, even though we see his photograph." This is not the same. Jack is seen from Shannon's POV, and Sayid is seen from Kate's POV. The end of Dave is seen entirely from Libby's perspective. We know this, because 1. Dave isn't there; this scene helps confirm that Dave really is imaginary 2. Hurley doesn't even know Libby was there-when we see this scene from his POV, we can't see her, whereas we can from her POV. This means Libby isn't a Hurley flashback character, Hurley is a Libby flashback character. --Golden Monkey 13:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment I thought a centric episode meant having a flashback and or flashforward in the episode, regardless of the length. (Season 5 excluded, that's another ball game) Besides, some flashbacks in, for exemple, Exodus or Confirmed Dead, aren't very long either and we still consider those episode centric to everyone who had a flash within the whole episode. Nobody can deny Libby, Juliet, Karl or Pierre had flashbacks in those episodes, and that should be noted somewhere in their articles. Desmond didn't have on in 2x01, right ? That was present-time. --LeoChris 22:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting commentYou cant say having a fb makes a episode character centric and just forget about s5, the book was rewritten this year on what makes an episode character centric 1 little fb doesnt make and ep character centric, the episode needs to focus on the character and lets be honest dave does not focus on libby, as far as 2x01 yes it was a fb because we were shown what des was doin before they blew the hatch in 2x24.--Czygan84 22:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting oppose As stated above being centric means the episode focuses on a certain character over others and Dave does not focus on libby anymore than it does Sawyer. --THE REAL DEAL998 22:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting oppose Sorry, but in no way is this episode Libby centric. As per many of Sam's reasons, just because one of the flashes in an episode are centered on another POV, the majority of the flashes is what determines the centricity. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 22:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting support It IS Libby centric, as much as "Confirmed Dead" is any of them centric or "Exodus" is any of them centric. The POV thing DOES matter, as well as the flashback noise and cut back to face. These are what we used in seasons 1-4 to determine centricity, as did the show's writers. There's a reason Jin doesn't have as many centrics as Sun. There are distinguishing markers, and Libby's scene has all of them. The season "introduction" scenes, flashbacks or not, have never counted as centrics. Desmond's in season two is barely a flashback, Juliet's is not used to advance her character but rather who the Others are, nor is the Jack bit in season 4's opener meant to be his flashback. That's like the Sayid bit in Jin's flashback in "Exodus." Flashbacks don't always contain stuff the POV character can see. And seeing as how the scene with Daniel and Chang wasn't even planned to be the season 5 opener, that certainly doesn't count. None of these flash off a specific character, despite focusing on characters. But the Libby scene does. Alexisfan07 6 May 2009
  • Oh well if 5x01 wasnt planned to air that way then it certanily doesnt count, cmon thats bull. How the writers planned to air an episode means nothing, how it actually aired is what matters and the daniel/chang scene was in 5x01. Im sorry but your argument is full of contradictions and faricated "facts." You make up a set of rules and claim that everyone even the writers have been following them when determining centricity. Well how do you know the writers feel the same way as you,did the writers say in a podcast that a pov, a fuzzy noise, and a cut back to the face determines centricity, i dont think so. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm not saying the writers definitely used these to determine centricity, but we sure saw the patterns and attributed them to centricity. There are no contradictions in what I said. PS, can you be more rude? Alexisfan07 7 May 2009
Sorry about the rudeness I dont know any other way to put it then how i did but bottom line is it seems we have a diffrence in opinion on what makes an episode character centric my opinion it is an episode that devotes time to a certain character above others ex: in "special" walt and michael are given the most devotion no other character is close but between walt and michael its pretty much even. But in "Dave" Hugo is given the most devotion thats a fact just look at face time, the amount of time Hugo is on and the amount libby is on is seperated vy a big margin. But like I said thats just my opinion. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  22:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
So you don't deem the pilot episode or "Confirmed Dead" to have centricity, since they don't spend time with those characters for the majority per se but do have flashbacks? Alexisfan07 7 May 2009
I do deem those episodes to have centricity because for example in 4x02 more devotion is given to the science team then all the other characters on the show but its pretty much equal devotion to all the members of the science team unlike dave where much more devotion is given to hugo then libby and every other character. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  22:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting oppose Its a Hurley episode all the way, how can be a libby centric if she didn't even say a line on his """"Flashback""""???
  • Pictogram voting supportIts not only Libby centric because of the flashback it is also Libby centric because develops his character --A31094 18:36, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

New proposal for the Libby fans

"Dave mockup example"
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So most people agree that the episode is Hurley-centric, and not Libby. But many people argue that Libby still has a flashback in the episode. So why not make use of the season 5 stuff that was added to the Nav template and say that the episode is Hurley-centric but has flashes from Hurley and Libby (similar to "The Incident, Part 1". I think this would be the best compromise for everyone. Thoughts?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  09:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting support But isn't this already inplented, with the nav template listing Hurley and the flashback section of the side bar listing Hurley and Libby ? Or do you mean adding a centric character : Hurley ? Either way, I think this might just be the solution. --LeoChris 14:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Here we go. This (-->) is what I was talking about. Hope that helps clear up what I meant.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  20:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting support I think this is a good solution to it. I think the real problem is that we (LP) came up with this idea of "centric" characters based off of how the 1st couple of season's went. Now, since the show doesn't adhere to LP, they are changing how the flashbacks/flashforwards/time traveling episodes work, and we (LP) are going to have to change also. Who knows, I would be willing to bet that they way they "flash" in the final season is going to again, rock our "centric" minds. - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  19:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree, so I guess Karl has a flashback in Greatest Hits. I mean Walt got one POV in Special, and we still count it as Michael/Walt, but it was really just Michael centric. So does Juliet get a flashback for A Tale of Two Cities. Buffyfan123 07:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Regarding Greatest Hits: Not really. There's still a difference between someone appearing in a flashback and someone having it from their POV. Given that Karl isn't even present for the majority of the "flashback" in Greatest Hits, it could hardly be said to be a Karl-flashback.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  20:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Man in Black theory

I have a theory about "Dave." I'm not sure if this theory is true or not, or if it can even be proven, but i think it's an interesting theory.

So, the man in black is out to kill the candidates, but he can't physically harm them. I was thinking that possibly the man in black was "pretending to be Dave" so that he could convince Hurley to jump off the cliff and kill himself. --Frozendragonfire 05:35, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

  • This theory is sort of mentioned on the Dave_(Hurley's_friend)/Theories page, but not quite as precisely as what you described here. Feel free to update that page if you'd like to contribute your theory. I've actually thought the same thing. --Celebok 20:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
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