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We were having this discussion with the last page that this just makes more sense... so hope no one minds, I moved this, it's much more logical than having "The" Logos be such a different page from "Logos". --PandoraX 16:34, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

Cutting and pasting the full and very long discussion from the other page:


the I Ching

Idea - Is anyone else reminded of the I Ching [1] when they see these logos? They remind me of I Ching trigrams.

Update: the Lost and I Ching wikipedia entries mention this, but I didn't see anything here about it.

I added a bit about this to the general section, since the patterns around the logo line up perfectly with the trigrams of the i ching, including compass directions with north at the bottom and then proceeding around in their "proper" order. Jon the Geek 22:12, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Vote for "insignia"

I agree that the word "Logo" may not be appropriate.

I prefer insignia.

I second this. Either insignia or emblem. --Eriandi 13:06, 26 May 2006 (EST)

I agree too. --CaptainInsano

I agree - insignia --Señor Eko 08:38, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

I disagree --Peephole 12:56, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

Why, may I ask do you disagree.--CaptainInsano

I don't see what's wrong with logo? And insigna is definitly a bad choice. Just take a look at what a google image search thinks of insignia: http://images.google.com/images?q=insignia&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images It's mostly used as something to indicate a person's rank.

Emblem is a better choice if you don't want to go with logo. Oh and keep in mind we're going to have to edit a couple hundred pages if you're going to change it. --Peephole 07:34, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

We will only have to edit exactly 93 pages.--CaptainInsano
  • Hmmm in a lost podcast they refer to it as insignia...[2]--Peephole 09:24, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

The six logos have surfaced

I uploaded them as station1.jpg to station6.jpg. could someone savvy in i-ching start decoding them? I see no resemblance of any of the six to the shark's --GodEmperorOfHell 19:30, 5 January 2006 (PST)

Where did these obvious fakes come from? Some Person 15:48, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Take Note

The other logos might be forgeries as they don't follow certain paradigms in the other one, and someone who works on the show (forget who) went on record saying that the video they come from was not from a show related source.

That said, I think the shark logo is rotated 3 notches counter-clockwise from the others. As if you do that the lines start to match up. The lines on the outside of the Swan and Arrow Logos match identically (excepting their outermost ring). --Circeus 21:21, 5 January 2006 (PST)

Feng Shui

Has no-one noticed that the logo is a Feng Shui mirror with the animal where the mirror should be?

my mate showed me a website which talked about some sort of chi ritual thing andit had the near exact same logo as the station logos. perhaps the station logos are a mix between i ching and the thing i found. im sorry i cant post the website, ive forgotten it, but when i remember ill post it for comparison

New Logo in the Mega Lotto Jackpot site?

I was just on "MegaLottoJackpot"[[3]] and saw a new logo in the lower left corner. I can't make what's inside the octogon. The file name (when I right click, save as) is "catbirddharma.gif"

It's called catbirddharma.gif and it looks like a cat catching a bird. Wierd --Jambalaya 14:12, 13 February 2006 (PST)

The additional logos

Jabrwocky7: AFAIK, those logos are hoax. Just look at the titles; "Station 5" is repeated twice.. --Jambalaya 14:06, 16 February 2006 (PST)

CatBird logo on megalottojackpot.com

DharmaLogo CatBirdDharma
  • I believe this is another hoax website and logo. According to the whois, megalottojackpot.com is registered to an individual in Gaithersburg, MD, not ABC/Walt Disney. An article by CNET News says this is just a well-disguised fansite. --Jabrwocky7 15:21, 20 February 2006 (PST)
  • Originally posted by unregistered user at 83.70.178.165
    • This logo appears at the bottom of the Mega Lotto Jackpot website.
    • It is called Cat Bird.
    • The text "DHARMA" appears through the center of the logo.
  • In the sourcecode you'll find the following:
    • <meta name="keywords" content="hugo, hurley, lost, abc, mega lotto jackpot, lottery, 4,8,15,16,23,42, tom aire, cat bird on a stick">
    • <!--Now that you're in on the joke, e-mail us your picture holding a 3ft wide sign, we'll add the rest. tell us what name you want on the check. You will not receive any money of course, it's just for fun-->
NPORTERN 06:44, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

The logos from the dubious 'second orientation' movie

Someone should add a reference to these, clearly stating that their origin is undetermined, simply to avoid confusion. Godkveld 08:05, 22 February 2006 (PST)

I think we should only include logos that actually appear in the show. The CatBird logo was deemed as fan-created and (re)moved from this article. Your point is a valid one, but maybe we should keep this article for genuine logos. Any thoughts on making this a "policy" for the article? --Jambalaya 16:39, 20 February 2006 (PST)

Okay, perhaps an article for 'unconfirmed/unofficial logos' then. It's probably possible to come up with a better name than that, though. :p Godkveld 08:05, 22 February 2006 (PST)

Giving the logo a name

Ok, I hope that I don't jump to any conclusions, but seems very plausible at this point that this logo fits in the Apollo constellations (being Orion's belt). The logo has now appeared not only on the shark, but also on the canteen, which _might_ indicate that the logo isn't a practical joke from the CGI guys after all... Shoot me if it turns out I'm wrong, but I think we could call this unknown logo "Orion's Belt"? --Jambalaya 17:57, 3 March 2006 (PST)

I don't know. it is not a fact though. The arrow was definitely an arrow, but this is just a line... could be a general simplified dharma logo or anything. I'll put it in ""... --aurora glacialis 03:06, 4 March 2006 (PST)


The Outline

Something I noticed, the continuous outlines all seem to be where it's white on black and the broken ones are vice versa. --Tricksterson 10:10, 9 March 2006 (PST)

Logo or Emblem =

Could the swan logo really be a scorpion's stinger?

-On the Oreintation video they state Swan.--Lovelornloser 18:27, 20 March 2007 (PDT)




Could the design on the shark have been placed using a branding iron?... a possible explanation why the design is not as "crisp" as the designs seen elsewhere...


Maybe consider using another term to describe these designs...

1. The word "logo" carries a commercial, advertising, or marketing connotation.

2. Could be confused with a concept from Christianity... "logos" is Greek for "word"-- "In the beginning was the word...", "The word was made flesh..." In a course on religious studies, esp. Christian theology, "the logos" would be a phrase frequently used by the lecturer.

3. "Emblem" may be a better word as the Dharma Initiative is an academic/research endeavor.

--BrianSTL 10:15, 23 November 2005 (PST)

I disagree; 'logo' as in 'corporate logo'. It won't be confused with a concept of christianity because this is not a course of religious studies. --GodEmperorOfHell 20:12, 27 November 2005 (PST)

But philosophic and religious themes and inferences can be detected throughout the series to date.

--BrianSTL 11:15, 29 November 2005 (PST)

Maybe reagrding that, a religious connotation is not so bad ;-) - but I agree, that the Logo is a Corporate logo. It even looks a lot like a commercial Logo. The way it appears on so many items, lets one think about commercial Logos or Brands. --aurora glacialis 08:30, 11 March 2006 (PST)

I actually kinda agree with the poster at the top - Dharma Insignia sounds best. --Jmast7 23:15, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Source?

-It has been reported, that in reruns of the show, this logo was removed from the shark in the according episode, possibly it had no significance for the show. It could be that it was just a practical joke of the film team or that it was done wrong, which would account for the difference to the logo on the canteen.

-The producers have said the effects team put it there without the producers approval, causing it to be removed from future airings. This coincides with the different appearance of the logos in this section.

can someone give a source for this statements? --Cool Man 0912 09:50, 29 March 2006 (PST)

---This is just a myth, the writers have confirmed that the logo is intentional and accurate [4]
Arjayoh

Moved from article page. Arguments over theories that have not been debunked in the show should take place on the talk page

This logo is almost certainly purely imagination. The canteen has red behind the white bar, which would fit with the Staff, where Ethan was working, and the Shark reportedly only had a logo as a staff joke. --User:Jon the Geek 19:32, 6 April 2006 (PST)

Hm, we could remove this Orion's belt-thing then.. Anyone got a capture of the canteen in a higher quality? --Jambalaya 03:33, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Why are we moving the belt? We have seen it twice. Even if the shark thing is a hoax-no body has any evidence that it is a hoax-we saw it on the canteen. That confirms the logo, maybe not a station, but the logo yes.--Meterman 9:27, 18 May 2006 (PST)

The Canteen Logo cannot be the Staff - Note the outline: The Staff has gaps in the Outline, the Canteen Logo's outline has no gaps. Sorry ;-) --aurora glacialis 07:30, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

Neither do the other things in the medical hatch, such as the vial. Sorry ;-) Jon the Geek 14:20, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

True, the logo from Ethan's canteen is the logo of the Staff, the line in the middle is basically the "Dharma" writing, and there is definitely a red symbol there, which has to be the same as on the Staff logo since Ethan worked there. So it's more likely he would take a canteen to drink water from the station he was staying. If the Orion's belt logo would be real, why doesn't it have the Dharma writing like the other 3 logos (Swan, Arrow, Staff)? --Skyshadow 02:43, 28 April 2006 (PDT)

I made the enhanced version of the Ethan's canteen logo. All I did was make what is white in the logo highly visible, and I also partially corrected the perspective. But looking at it again, it's difficult to tell if there might be a slightly darker verticle line (the staff), or if this is just due to lighting. It does not seem possible to me that the horizontal line could be text reading "Dharma" as it seems quite clear that it is no more than a line. But to be honest, I can't be positive from the image provided, it's just not clear enough. Here's a second stab at it, this time in color with no changes in contrast, only perspective and sharpness:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Canteen2.jpg
I didn't add it to the page because I agree it's a mess with so many images and I didn't want to make things worse.
Smeagol 14:32, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
I think the logo on Ethan's canteen is something unseen before or The Flame. I'm not quite sure. I changed the contrast on the image and switched it to greyscale. The result is something that (to me) looks a lot like a phoenix rising with the "horizontal bar" being the word DHARMA (although it's still illegible): http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Canteen_enhanced.jpg --Filmguru 08:27, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
No matter how much imagination I put in this, the logo from Ethan's canteen never looks like the logo of the Staff... The horizontal line is where the DHARMA text appears on the Staff logo, but it is just a horizontal line, not text, not even close. It looks more like the "Orions Belt" logo then anything else we have seen so far. The DHARMA text can be part of the 3 lines under the circle, just as it is the case in the Pearl logo. So, is it OK to move the picture of Ethan's canteen down to Orions Belt? NPORTERN 06:55, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
The logo is so contested it shouldn't be called "The Orion's Belt" nor "The Staff". I think we should just try to forget it until we get a hi-res shot of the canteen. Anyway, if you move the picture I guarantee you that somebody moves it back... --Jambalaya 07:04, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
I tried getting one from "a HR source" which didn't quite work out. I'm suspecting that even if you want to cap straight from the season 2 dvd, where it's MPEG2 (meaning each frame is compressed separately) there's too many "movement" and "angled" frames to get a good enough screencap of it to make any definitive conclusions. Until seeing the canteen again or the actual station it's from in season3 - the logo will be contested and like you said, we should try to "forget it". --skks 07:17, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

It's quite clear there's a red part in the logo, maybe it is indeed just a horizontal line instead of DHARMA but that might as well be for practical reasons. The logo on the canteen looks very similar to the staff's logo AND ethan came from The Staff station, that's more than enough put it under the staff section.--Peephole 10:50, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

I don't think that the Orion logo is a horozontal line. Look at the rest of the logo on the shark screen-capture. The three lines at the bottom of the octagan are un-broken. On other logos, the unbroken lines are on the bottom-right of the octagan, meaning that the logo actually should be rotated anti-clockwise 45 degrees, putting the line across the centre on a diagonal, from bottom-left to top-right. --dfluff 09:10, 1st June 2006 (GMT)

Enlarged logo from shark shows it's from Swan--Image source: DJ Dan (then enlarged/cropped/turned) -- LOSTonthisdarnisland15:14, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Sharklogolg

Swan logo on Shark


There's really only one thing that makes me think it's not part of The Staff or The Belt. If you look closely on both screenaps, there's a small color change in the red (clearer in the first img). If we could find a better resolution pic, I'd put money down on there being another symbol back there.... looks like a circle of some kind (kind of like a shield or something). --AWishResigned 12:08, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

-The logo on Ethan's canteen could simply be a Dharma logo which features on items used in more than one station; it is likely that the same canteens could be distrobuted to staff at all hatches, necessitating a universal emblem.

All of the logos

Is it nesseccary to have 3 or 4 different pictures of the logo? I can see having two, 1 taken from the show and another enhanced or somthing but all of the pictures make this page look really bad. Koolaidman 05:18, 29 April 2006 (PDT)

Can someone fix the logos?? --user:Nusentinsaino 20:49, 10 May 2006 (EST)

I'm going to remove some. edit: eventually.Kman       talk contribs                   19:25, 10 May 2006 (PDT)


Comic Sans

Has anyone else noticed the Arrow logo uses Comic Sans... what kind of cheesy psychological experiment is that? --Corrosionx 21:58, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

You're wrong.     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  

No, they're not. I doubt it's being used in the show, but the logo image we've got up on this page does use comic sans.


Non Hatch Logos

Suggestion: creation of a new article listing all known logos created for the show and its promotion by ABC. This would include the hatch logos, but also logos for Widmore labs, Oceanic Air Apollo Candy bars, Hanso Foundation logos, and the various project logos from thehansofoundation.org page, and many more. Basically it would be a tribute whoever is doing graphic design over at Lost. Not sure what we'd call the article, maybe just List of logos. Santa 13:13, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

The Door & Orion's Belt

The Door logo should be moved into the 'Confirmed' section of the page, and be added to the group at the top. Similarly, the Orion's Belt logo should be moved down into the 'Unconfirmed' section, and be removed from the group at the top. --Doc halidai 07:47, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

I went ahead and moved the entry for "The Door", but left "Orion's Belt" in place. I think it should be "demoted", but I'll leave it to someone else to make the decision. --Doc halidai 08:07, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

On the aircraft

Moved this section to the persistant rumours page.

The door logo is wrong - the real logo has openings around the outer edge (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4708/2679/1600/dharmalogonew.jpg) --Ernest 09:18, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

That's because it was spraypainted, all the logos have openings when appearing on walls. --Peephole 09:35, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

I'll be damned. --Ernest 13:16, 18 May 2006 (PDT)


lol use your damn common sense. :)     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  

The spraypainted door on swan station don't have the openings. --Techiedavid 20:26, 21 May 2006 (PDT)

Interpretation

Can someone explain the compass points and good and bad parts? Or should we remove those?

I've removed it because it was overwhelming the article. This is Lostpedia, not Ancient Chinese symbol-pedia ;) -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:53, 21 May 2006 (PDT)


"The Infinite"

I'm removing this entry because it is completely a fanmade logo with no relevance/connection to the show (unlike the Flame which at least is based on an in-show reference and "Orion's Belt" which has appeared in-show, though is disputed). Anyone care to comment or argue against my change?--Isotope23 15:06, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

Good job, it had no business to be on this page. --skks 15:18, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
Darn you got to it firstKman       talk contribs                   15:34, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
I apologize for putting this information up, since this website has said the website was unconfirmed whether it was official or not, but, as I now see, I'm an idiot. Thank you. ~~Junior
Don't take it too hard, we all make mistakes. The goal of Lostpedia is keep the confirmed stuff differentiated from the unconfirmed, just keep it in mind and don't be too hard on yourself. --skks 16:00, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
Yup, don't take it hard... perhaps a new article could be started fan-made and unconfirmed logos...--Isotope23 06:48, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Logo on the shark

In the article, it says that the logo placement was intentional, and not just a graphical prank like originally thought. It adds that this was confirmed by the producers. Does anyone know where or how this was confirmed?

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=49694 Added to article.

++MORE on the logo on the shark:

With the clues from 6/07/06 for the ARG we are directed to theme of genetic manipulation, over and over, and one idea or theme discussed is that of being able to breed animals in such a way that later generations of said animal will have an added physical marking that was merely simulated on their predecessors. For instance, koi fish that were painted with designs, and their subsequent generations that had the same designs, but very real in their skin, becoming a part of their DNA as a result of adaption....we also got the picture of this other shark through the podcast of DJ Dan, 6/08/06, so it would seem they are leading us to believe that genetic research has been done on animals on the Island...could it be that they could combine these concepts and in their studies of genetics, include this angle, perhaps? Could deliberate markings been made on some sharks to see the effect on the aesthetic of its subsequent generations of offspring?--Trix

"Unknown Logo" Dispute

Could we add June 's Dharma jumpsuit on which we can see the line logo clearly to the dispute? --Nolan 14:18, 15 May 2007 (GMT)

The article says that the shark (tail) logo is disputed but I don't see any dispute here. Can we accept that that it is another official logo now and tidy up the article. It may not be associated with a station but it is still a valid part of the DHARMA livery. It also appears clearly on Ethan Rom's canteen --Nigedo 16:53, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Ethanlogo

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No we can't the canteen is thought to have the Staff logo on it--CaptainInsano

You are incorrect. It is quite clear that the canteen does not have the Staff logo on it. It has the same logo as the shark's tail. The Staff features a vertical bar, while the canteen features a horizontal one. The staff logo is clearly more than just a vertical bar, in any case. It is a well known medical symbol, a variation of Asklepios staff, the Caduceus. The logo on the canteen does not have any similarity with the Staff other than being dominated by a bar.

Since, as you say, the canteen image is only "thought to be" the Staff, this appears to be an otherwise unsupported interpretation, whereas the previous image which you removed (again) is undisputed and better represents the Staff for this article. I recommend that the canteen image is (re)filed under a separate category and again replaced by the previous image (Caduceus.jpg), which is a real capture of the Staff logo and not subject to non-neutral interpretation. I will give you time to respond to this point, before I change the article back again. --Nigedo 19:18, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

(Further to this, please note that it would be consistent with the Bagua/Dharma Theory that the "Unknown symbol" represents water and is therefore the most likely logo to appear on both a shark (a creature that lives in the water) and a canteen (a container that holds water). --Nigedo 19:26, 19 June 2006 (PDT))

The Staffs logo is the only one with a red in it, Ethans canteen logo also had red in it. The Staff logo came from the Staff station, Ethan also came from the staff station. Case closed. --Peephole 03:36, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Here you can see the red clearly: Canteen

The case is not closed by any means, if that is the flimsy evidence on which you base your pronouncement. Please point out one jot of detail in the canteen logo that correlates to the Staff, other than a single bar at the centre. Where is the serpent entwined around it? Where are the wings at the top? Some level of this detail should be at least visible if it is the same logo. Did it even occur to you that the canteen logo might be a logo variation that has not been shown in connection with a station yet?

Anyway, this argument is moot with reference to the debate over which image is better to represent the Staff section of the article. So long as the canteen image is in dispute as a representation of the Staff, it should not be presented as if that is the only possibility, since that is a non-neutral interpretation. The obvious Staff image should be used instead until we can come to a consensus about the nature of the canteen logo. --Nigedo 06:10, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

nice screencap :) maybe a red logo on the shark would be to easy to see for "normal" tv watcher or something like that , or the dharmies just make it black/white because its easyer... who knows...but i think the canteen logo is the shark logo. --Cool Man 0912 05:15, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Flimsy evidence? It looks like the staff logo and it came from the staff station. What more evidence do you need? Details aren't visible because it's a "badly" designed prop and it's shot from a distance.--Peephole 08:03, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I indicated the staff symbol: Canteenindications

You have drawn on a staff symbol to fabricate detail that is not there. Try evaluating the positions of the trigrams as I have below and you will see that they cannot be the same. Also, how can you say "detail is not visible because it's a badly designed prop" when the detail of the trigrams is clearly identifiable? The fact that Ethan spends time at the Staff station does not automatically mean that all of his equipment has come from there. --Nigedo 08:16, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I have now completed a study of the most identifiable trigrams in the canteen pic and compared their positions to the known positions of those in other the logos.

Referring to the image below:

2logos compare

You can see that the trigrams in the top-right (Kun), bottom-right (Qian) and bottom (Kan) positions match all the other logos, including those in the Staff logo pictured. The trigrams may be a little clearer in the smaller, sharper canteen image.

This indicates that the relative positions of the logos are the same; they are both the right way up. Yet the Staff crest is dominated by a bar that is vertical relative to the trigrams (the staff itself, not the lettering), while the canteen logo's crest displays a bar that is horizontal, relative to the trigrams in the same positions.

It is necessary to conclude either that DHARMA embossed the central crest on the canteen horizontally by mistake, or they are not the same logo. --Nigedo 07:59, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

The cadaceus bar on the canteen is vertical, the cadaceus bar on the staff logo is also vertical. I don't get your point.--Peephole 08:07, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I had to lighten your pic in PS to read what you'd marked on it. So you think that the obvious, horizontal, solid bar in the canteen logo is the letters "DHARMA". I think you are completely misjudging the logo. If that bar was actually lettering, we should at least be able to see some variation in the contours of the line, to indicate where wider spaces form, like around the narrower top of the letter "A" at the end. There is no evidence in that image that I can see to suggest that the bar is anything other than simple and solid. I think you are basing your interpretation on what you want to see for some reason. --Nigedo 08:14, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

But it isn't so point not valid. --Peephole 08:33, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Well , i dont think we get an correct answer here. maybe we should create Ethan's Canteen and talk about that problem there xD or some1 ask the producers...otherwhise this discussion will never stop....--Cool Man 0912 18:19, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

What we have here, obviously, is a genuine DHARMA logo. You can see some red on it, however, there may be other logos that are yet to be seen that resemble The Staff. Ethan's Canteen does resemble the shark logo. If this logo is indeed genuine, then that seems to prove that there is a station called "The Belt", or something like that. What we need is more evidence to prove its existance. Who knows, maybe its not even a station, but just a joke, or one of those CV's.

As for the configuration of the logo, I do not believe that the horizontal line is "DHARMA". As we have seen with the Pearl logo, the lettering DHARMA does not always have to be across the center, but may be built into the bagua insignia. But I do think there is more to this logo then just a line and the bagua sign. Perhaps there is something we are missing; a picture that has so far been invisible to us.

We saw in The Lost Experience, thanks to Persephone, that the logo on the shark has a layout similar to that of The Swan logo. however, the swan's head, as one user pointed out, seems to be looping in another direction to that of the Swan's logo. The bottom part was not visible. However, the logo did seem to fit with the bagua theory, and would explain Ethan's canteen.

I do find it hard to believe that The Swan logo would be on a shark; unless one of the station's past purposes was Zoology. In this case, the orientaion film was lying to us. --Gateboy42 06:08, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

On the Sri Lanka video this line Dharma Logo can be seen on the wall behind Alvar Hanso/Mr Beardy (its to his left (our right) if you want to get a screen grab.) So it might be a universal logo. - Dee4leeds 04:19, 20 August 2006 (PDT)

I have enlarged the logo from several sources:

Line1Line2Line3Line4

1 is from the canteen. 2 and 3 are from the shark. 4 is from the water bottle.

In my opinion, 1 could very well be the arrow logo. 4 could very well be the regular DHARMA logo. But what about 2 and 3? There is no evidence of the word "DHARMA" on there. Some Person 15:21, 10 February 2007 (PST)

The Line Logo looks really like the Staff Logo, as you can see on the right of the picture. Ig85 21:04, 21 February 2007 (Germany) Staff=Line

Replace the Canteen Image

Well no-one has so far disagreed with my statement that the canteen is not the best image to illustrate the Staff logo section of the article. It seems apparent that the canteen logo will remain in dispute until it is seen again, but there are more fitting images of the Staff logo, in any case. I propose we replace it with a more obvious example of the Staff logo that will display the logo clearly to casual visitors. I suggest either the original image:Caduceus.jpg or a closeup pic of the medical vial. Any comments? --Nigedo 18:10, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Right, this has sat here long enough with no comments. I have reasonable consensus for the change (from Ridan below), so I'm changing it. If you want to change it back to the unclear canteen image, you'd better have a good reason. =) --Nigedo 23:12, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

The BELT

We've already given an official name for one station 'the door', so why can't we call the other one 'the belt' for the time being? --Nickb123 14:48, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

In my opinion "the door" shouldn't have gotten a name either. --Peephole 02:04, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

yep , i think it should be named Belt , too. --Cool Man 0912 16:53, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Who's to say the logo on the Shark is not just the main DHARMA logo? I've gone over the vid and the shark moves so fast that it's a very real possibiliy that the lettering could just be blurred. --AWishResigned 12:07, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Unknown Logo 2

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5858/dharmalogonew3zn.jpg

taken directly from a lost experience flash file. can someone add that? --Cool Man 0912 16:53, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

DHARMApsych

Orientation Psychological Logo

BDHARMApsych

Inverted Orientation Psychological Logo

Here's a cleaned-up version I put on the site. --aWishResigned

Does anyone have any idea what its supposed to look like?--Peephole 03:40, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Looks fetal to me. BTW AWishResigned, is it possible you could invert the colours on the cleaned up logo cause it would make the image more defined I think, and matches the original image better. --Nickb123 03:43, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

my first idea was that it was the face of alvar hanso --Cool Man 0912 05:12, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Done. I thought it may be something a little more pronouced to the field of Psychology. Something that even a first year psych major would recognize. Maybe a bust of some famous psychologist (Skinner, Freud, etc.)? --AWishResigned 06:29, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Agree with Nick. The inverted one is true to the contrast of the original and looks much better. My first thought was that the image looks similar to the one used in (parodies of) psychology which depicts two faces opposing one another, or is that two vases...? =D --Nigedo 06:46, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Jeah =D it could be a man whos looking in the front or a woman whos looking in the other way =D (man , i hate english xD )oh , and im pretty sure , it shows alvar hanso...

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1879/hansopsycho0cx.jpg

--Cool Man 0912 06:50, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I don't see any reason to have both of AWishResigned's versions of this logo in the article. The newer one matches the light on black contrast of the original and should be sufficient. I have gone ahead and replaced the other one with Cool Man's screen cap of the original so we can see where it comes from in the article. Please leave comments? --Nigedo 15:01, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

Most of the commentary under Unknown Logo 2 seems to be just speculation. I propose we move it to a separate theories section. --Nigedo 15:12, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

In reply to that AWishResigned's new version matches the original, the problem is that the Swan logo in the Orientation film was the opposite colors to what it actually was, the same may be true for this new logo, so for the time being, we don't know which color code it is --Nickb123 07:00, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
OK, but you agree that it's the better of the two to use in the article for the moment, yes? --Nigedo 17:44, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

-But, as it says in the Lostpedia article many people have different meanings for it. After all, it is psychology. --marik7772003 19:11, 30 July 2006 (MDT)

I kinda think it's an inkblot. Typically, ink blots used for psychological assessments are symmetrical, but that's what I thought it was the first time I saw it. Ink blots have a "special place" among modern-day psychometrists and psychologists, but if it is associated w/DHARMA I wouldn't be surprised. Imagine a new DHARMA recruit spotting the logo for the first time as part of their orientation and asking "What is that?"...which earns the reply "What do YOU think it is?" Centuryretrotv 23:51, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

It's a bird standing on a perch. --Giovanni Wasto 20:27, 1 August 2008 (GMT)


Why Unconfirmed?

I don't see why this logo should be in the "unconfirmed logos" section. We know as much about it as we do the so-called "Door" logo. It is verified as a genuine DHARMA logo and we know it is presented in connection with psychology. Why not just call it the "Psychology Logo" for the time being? Must it be shown in an episode, in connection with a new station, before we move it to confirmed status? What is meant by "confirmed" anyway? --Nigedo 12:44, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

It couldn't be DHARMA. There's no DHARMA-text in the logo. --Tonsak 13:37, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

It is DHARMA though. It was released on the DHARMA initiative's own "Psychology Test" orientation video and is clearly officially released information. There is no reason to doubt its veracity, unless you intentionally want to avoid Lost Experience data. Again, what is it that makes a logo "confirmed" or "unconfirmed"? In what sense do we "confirm" them? --Nigedo 14:32, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

Yes, but it was released in conjunction with a Persephone "hack". We really have no idea if it is a station logo, a logo for a completely different department in Dharma, or something else alltogether. We really don't know and probably won't for a while which is why it should stay as an Unconfirmed. I do agree with the changing of the name, though. --AWishResigned 23:53, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

It doesn't have to be connected to a station to be "confirmed". --Peephole 05:41, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Agreed but do we have to call it just 'Psychology', can we not just call it unknown until we have a decent name for it??? --Nickb123 06:57, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
I would accept that we should call it "unknown" if we agree to do the same for the so-called "Door" logo. We should be consistent and either give them nicknames or don't. --Nigedo 17:50, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Agree with Peephole. The article is about DHARMA logos, not "logos representing stations" or even "logos witnessed in broadcast episodes of LOST". --Nigedo 17:54, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

And what does the script coördinator think about Ethan's canteen?

Gregg Nations: "I always thought it was the medical staff logo." --Peephole 14:55, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

Where did he say this? --Ridan 14:02, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Found it myself here - http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53774 Ridan 14:51, 1 August 2006 (PDT)

Even so, isn't there a better picture to represent the Staff emblem, seeing as the canteen is very unclear, whatever it represnts. Is there a clearer picture of it from anything? --Ridan 22:19, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

My point exactly (see above). I'm gonna replace it with a closeup shot of one of the medical vials if I can get a decent one. --Nigedo 22:29, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
Why not just use the Caduceus image you mentioned above? --Ridan 22:44, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
I would prefer one of the vials because the caduceus image is a composite. There have been no available opportunities to screen cap the entire logo afaik. For the sake of verifiability, it would be better to use an undoctored image as much as possible. --Nigedo 22:48, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
I see. Well, every other image I found here on Lostpedia with the logo is very small or unclear. The best I found was on the glue for "Zeke's" fake beard. --Ridan 22:50, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
Show me that one if you have a link to it please. --Nigedo 22:52, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Fake_beard_and_glue.jpg
But even this one isn't very good. --Ridan 23:01, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
Yeah fair enough. I don't think the medical vials will yield a better one either. I guess we should use the caduceus image until we can obtain a clear one that isn't a composite. =) --Nigedo 23:05, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
Sounds good to me. I'll keep an eye out for a better one. Or maybe one will turn up in future episodes of the show? --Ridan 23:09, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Since this pretty much confirms that the logo on the canteen was the Staff, which is repeated on the Canteens page, can we remove the canteen image from the "Unidentified Line Logo" section? Continuing to say it's something other than the Staff is like continuing to say that the world is flat.

Then again, I think the whole "Unidentified Line Logo" section is pretty much all speculation. Occam's razor says that all the examples are just unclear images of other logos. Maybe we can rename it "Misidentified Line Logo". --Doc 10:13, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Rename Article

"Logos" vs. "The Logos" - surely we can do better than this? There is already an article titled Logos which features logos relating to other organizations. I don't see why this article should be titled "The Logos" as if these are the only ones around. I propose the article be moved (back) to DHARMA logos which is more intuitive to wiki link. At the moment, every link to this article has to be piped because of its poor naming. --Nigedo 23:00, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

I agree. The names are far too similar, and there is no disambiguation page here. --Ridan 14:03, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
I think this subject was broached earlier, and I'd like to revisit it. I think we really should have a disambiguation page instead of just "Logos" vs. "The Logos", just too confusing. My thought is that we have a disambiguation page under "Logos" and redirect from "The Logos" (empty page). Then we have a page called "DHARMA Logos" and a page called "Logos (General)" that the main page goes into. Just makes more sense to me, I think ordinary viewers of lostpedia should not have to understand that a page with "The" at the beginning should be so different from one with no "The". --PandoraX 16:20, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

Bagua/Dharma Theory

Why is it that the connections made with the trigrams correspond to inferences regarding the 'character' of each station and not their geographical location? The bagua and dharma insignia have 8 sides, and so does Radzinski's map. I would think that in accordance, the correspondance would be Swan->Career, Flame->Knowledge, Caduceus->Family, Door->Wealth/Opportunity, Arrow->Fame. The only problem is that this doesn't take into account the Pearl, there is no illustration on the bottom right side of radzinski's map, and the Door may not have been a station.

  • I more or less support this, only I dont think The Arrow is Fame. Swan is very likely to mean Career (kate says "I guess we got jobs again" to hurley, talking about the button).
  • This is just an idea as I have not had chance to validate it but from the info on here about the bagua/i ching - each of the symbols relates to male or female - as there are 24 on the logo could this be linked to the sexes of people on the island - I have lost track of how many there are now but say there were 48 it could tie in with the ying/yang balance (good/bad twin? good/bad people?) - and somehow tie in with the numbers (i'm sure someone could find a pattern)--Dr1976 15:19, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

Why is this Protected?

Is this page protected now? I can't edit it. --Peephole 17:14, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

I am having the same problem. --Gateboy42 13:08, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
Me too... --Jajasoon 13:13, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

One of the new video clips in the TLE / Rachel Blake thing has a DHARMA logo in it. It has a large circle with a smaller circle to the top-right. Should this be added to the logo page? --Doc 10:03, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

I'm leaning towards yes. --KeriCanFly 11:27, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Yup. --Peephole 12:31, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Well I recreated the logo in the style... If thats at all usefull.

Dharmafvh7n

--KeriCanFly 12:33, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

I would take out the bagua outline as these are not included in the image from the video. Nonetheless I think it definitly should be included on the main article page.--Two Coyotes 21:45, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

I agree, but we may also want to include a screenshot of the image with the logo and the copyright date (right after Beardy says "Thank you and Namaste").--Gateboy42 05:29, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

Actually I think it is in fvh7n clip with the outlining.--KeriCanFly 11:57, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

Hansoexposed mainlogo

Here, I rushed to get a screenshot. Sorry, I cropped the copyright date by accident. Wait, I fixed it now. --Gateboy42 14:59, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

Ok peoples, I created an entry on the logos page for this one. I now, IT IS HORRIBLE, but you have to admit that its better then nothing :P --Gateboy42 09:57, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Think its a zygote like peeps have said? Definitely the best theory I guess, and supports the psychology one that looks like a fetus. Shows development maybe suggesting zygote film came before psych one judging by the evolutionary nature --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:26, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Except that zygotes don't look like that at all, and the image in the Psychology logo is most certainly Hanso and not a fetus. --Doc 09:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Javier Grillo-Marxuach said in his post-Experience blog that it is supposed to be a hydrogen atom. So, there you go. --ComputerBox 19:04, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

Main Logo??

Now that we have a new logo that seems to be associated with what could become a general DHARMA orientation film, should we assume that the current logo that we have as the main one is just a assumption by Rachel Blake? I mean, she could have just made a guess at what the general logo was. My theory: the logo we have recently discovered at hansoexposed.com is the actual main logo. --Gateboy42 12:54, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

  • I agree - the Rachel version does not come from DHARMA, so should not be considered "official." Here's my best screen capture from the video - anyone make a better one?

DHARMA mainlogo --Jajasoon 13:02, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Let's wait and see. If it turns out this is the main logo, we can throw rachel's somewhere to the bottom of the page. --Peephole 15:01, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
  • This idea that the logo from the Sri Lanka video is the "main" one is pure speculation (I, for instance, think it may be an image of the astronomy or physics station), and I have taken it out of the logo ID area. If you want to make a theory about it, that's fine, but stuff like guessing what is pictured in the psychology video logo or what the logos that are as yet unidentified mean is all speculation at this point. We need to stick with clear descriptions of what we know to be true only in the main text. --PandoraX 15:32, 27 July 2006 (PDT)
Sorry, I did say that my entry was horrible. I just put the circle knowing that someone else would come up with a better name or something sooner or later. --Gateboy42 16:04, 27 July 2006 (PDT)
Hey Gateboy, I didn't think your entry was horrible at all... I thought you did a great job. I think all entries go through a fair amount of tweaking after the initial entry, as we fine tune things & try to come to a consensus, nothing personal. --PandoraX 16:14, 27 July 2006 (PDT)
I'm kinda ticked off after a power surge nearly fried my hard drive, so you're probably right; everything seems to get on my nerves when I'm annoyed with my computer. Anyways, maybe we could have some sort of discussion right here in this talk page over what we should name this logo for the moment. Just a thought,--Gateboy42 16:25, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Whenever I look at this logo, the first thing that pops into my head is "Apollo". No idea why, but I think he had something to do with the stars and stuff. If Mr Beardy is Old-man Alvar, then why would he appear in an orientation film other than the main one? It sounds logical. --Gateboy42 09:08, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

When naming unidentified logos...

Let's keep our unofficial names in quotes until they are officially given by 1) the show 2) TLE, to differentiate them from The Swan and The Pearl, which are clearly given by TPTB. I have changed the title of The Circle to The "Sri Lanka Video" Logo, as this is a clearer description of the source of the logo, until we have a more decisive name for this. --PandoraX 15:32, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Improved Logos

Hello, some of the logos bothered me, cause they seemed not well proportioned. So I corrected them. I allready had made the Swan-logo myself for labels, so I used it here.

I made the Swan-, the Main-, the Door- and the Sri Lanka-Logo and I'll try to extrapolate the Flame-logo. --Barclay 16:02, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Can someone make the background white? --Peephole 18:23, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Can someone revered the Black and White on the new rendition of the Sri Lanka Video Logo? I think it's a mistake to reverse the black and white from the video. I know it may be semantics but knowing the writers the logos are probably very well thought out, and switching the black and white could mislead away from the intended meaning.--Two Coyotes 05:28, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

  • I don't think the colors should be changed. Look at this image:

DHARMA film

The logo in the back. There is a white circle, or "planet" in front of the big black circle. That are the inverted colors from the film. --Barclay 07:24, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

point well taken, thank you--Two Coyotes 07:26, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

Not quite sure how to tidey up the Zygote comparison image, or link it externally with "Zygote" being the hyperlink... if anyone can help, it would be much appreciated.--Incitatus4 11:05, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Belongs the broken inner circle to the correct Arrow-Logo?

No, I think it's just broken because it's spraypainted. Like the octagon. The spraypainted logo on the Staff-hatchdoor has an broken ring too. But the Staff-logo in the inner station is a complete circle. I like the Arrow-logo better with the broken ring, but the continuous ring is probably correct. --Barclay 09:48, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Did the staff really also have a broken circle?--Peephole 11:01, 28 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Well look at that, it does. --Peephole 11:03, 28 July 2006 (PDT)
Medical hatch


About broken lines

Since the holes in the logos which have broken lines (for the octagon or the inner circle) are not always the same, I believe it is not just a matter of the way it was used to paint it or render it for orientation films. If you compare The Door to (The Staff & The Arrow), there is only 4 holes in the octagon instead of 8. Thus, in order to show them the way they actually are shown to us, I decided to edit the logos. But I'm open to every comment on this. -- SGC.Alex 05:14, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

  • I, like the others above, don't believe the broken lines in the border are significant either; it is clearly just a by-product of spray-painting hollow design (closed shape) logos with stencils. Here is an example with fonts; letters like the A, O & Q need the connecting bridges for pragmatic reasons.

http://www.fontscape.com/pictures/ef/Stencil.gif --PandoraX 06:46, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

  • I thought about it too, that there are sometimes four and sometimes eight breaks. But I belive it's just a prop mistake, like the magnetic resonance imaginer and the dharama initiative. --Barclay 07:51, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  • OK, so be it. Anyway, if this is relevant, the producers will let us know in some way ;) -- SGC.Alex 11:17, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I've always thought there's more to it than spray painting stencils. Also a very interesting thing for this is in "?" as when Michael stumbles outta the Swan hatch, you'll notice no stencil marks on it! - even though its menna be the outside one. I'll look for a pic --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:21, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

DHARMA font

Does anyone know what the 2nd generation DHARMA font is (that is, the one used for "The Staff") or if it's a unique font, where to get it? I'm trying to make a buddy icon. Thanks. --Eridani, 2106, 6 August 2006 (EST)

Fan Speculation about what the logos 'look' like

I'd just urge lostpedians to please not edit speculation into the formal sections of the logos. Some are very open ended, such as the psychology & Sri Lanka video logos, and many people have different ideas about what they stand for, but this doesn't count as an official source. If you must, make a separate theories section. --PandoraX 10:29, 13 August 2006 (PDT)

Unknown logo 3

Ok, I'm new to this so don't bite my head off... ;)

As I'm immersed in the Lost Experience, I stumbled across the page www.hansoadoptions.org where a "hidden" link at the bottom directs the user to the sub-page artemis.hansoadoption.org. Corresponding to the topic of this site (whose status as belonging to the game has yet to be confirmed) the shown Dharma logo shows, what I recognise as two fetuses in a somewhat yin-yang-like position. logo

Care to discuss this? :)--Ina 07:02, 12 September 2006 (PDT)

The logo was found on an unofficial site. Thanks anyways for checking here to confirm. --Aero*Zeppelin 21:44, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

The South Korean Flag

Does anyone else agree that the four markings on the South Korean flag could be linked to the Dharma insignia/logo? Each contain the same patterns with the black lines/markings. If we look at the Bagua map, we can see the Pink (Kun), Grey (Qian) and Black (Kan) symbols are used in the South Korean flag (the Kan pattern twice).

Interestingly, the image posted above from the canteen pic[5] points to the same three sections of the logo.

Both have a circle in the centre.

There is also the red/blue yin yang in the centre, which fits in with previous theories about the logo. The red colour also fits in with the Staff logo.

And of course there is the connection with Jin and Sun's home. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weapon (talkcontribs)11:27, 19 September 2006.

Sri-Lanka Video Logo Theory

I think the large circle may represent earth; the smaller circle to the top represents earth's moon; and the smallest circle within the largest one could represent the island/"the facility." Any thoughts?


I think it's Mars with his two satellites! --andreapasotti

Water Bottle (Juliet in the Hydra)

So does that water bottle have a line, or the word DHARMA? Looks to me like it's just a line, anyone have a screencap clear enough to settle it once and for all? --Minderbinder 05:34, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

Here is the Water bottle. it looks like it has the line just like on the shark but I think I see very small writing. -- The preceding comment was added by Wilsbadkarma 09:16, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Definately the line. Also in two other scenes, with Juliette giving a bottle with the logo (red center! )it to Sawyer, and when Pickett yells at Sawyer for staring at Kate, the same bottle ids in the background.--GANNONSMASH 18:58, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

Water1

DHARMA Water Bottle

Again, it's not high res enough to say that it doesn't just say "DHARMA" in small print (I believe it does from the cap). --PandoraX 15:26, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

A don't think it's a line. Several other items seen from that same mysterious logo (The ketchup, shampoo, try, etc.), and on some, the word "DHARMA" is visible if zoomed in on. For example, the ketchup gives a similar optical illusion when seen from far away, but when zoomes in, the last few letters of the word DHARMA are just visible.v--Gateboy42 17:14, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I'll try to get a screenshot or something. --Gateboy42 17:14, 18 October 2006 (PDT)



Ketchup Bottle w/ DHARMA logos

I took a screenshot of the ketchup bottle seen on Ben's table. To me, this bottle has the same markings as the water bottle discussed above, and the Main logo. I also think that it's a clearer image. The bottle also bears the marking "-FTR731", assuming that this is DI 9FFTR731.--Gateboy42 17:09, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Ketchup

Ketchup bottle with DHARMA markings.

Nice investigative work, Gateboy! Seems pretty conclusive to me. I don't know why this would be so hard for some to swallow. A logo with just a line or bar seems pretty pointless to me, all the other picture logos have more complex designs that stand for something. A DHARMA generic label just makes the most sense for labeling generic products that go out to generic (non station specific) places. --PandoraX 17:12, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

This is already in the article under the "main logo" section. --Fezir 14:30, 31 October 2006 (PST)

Logo on Ray Mullen Letter

The letter to Ray Mullen from M.C. on the hanso website has another logo on it. Mr.C.

What Hanso site are you talking about? Because none of the official ones have a letter to ray mullen. You must be refering to one of the many fake logos generated by fake websites.--PandoraX 17:12, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

The page for Ray mullen has a link to a shot and transcript of a Hanso letter fragment. http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Drraymullen_zoom.jpg Maybe this page hasn't been cleaned up, but it's still on Lostpedia. Mr. C

We should really look into this. It could be something worth noticing, or maybe just a red herring. Can somebody get a draft of the logo like all of the others? --Gateboy42 14:13, 31 October 2006 (PST)

Actually, people have spent more time than this making fake videos and TLE info... you can read about the "Copenhagen photo" (which is very similar in style to this one), which even fooled Lynette Porter et al, authors of one of the Unofficial Guides (Bibliography). I know the guy who made the photos, and provided evidence afterwards, and even then, people wouldn't believe it. It's not that difficult to get a bunch of stuff together that "looks TLE related", scatter them, and disseminate it on the info. Only takes about 1/2 hour to collect and photograph it.--PandoraX 16:17, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Logos vs. Graphics

For clarity, we should define the differences between "Logo" and "Graphic". A logo is one found physically painted or carved. A graphic is the an image shown in a video. The reason this clarification is needed is due to the colors. For example, the Swan Logo is always black on a white background (as found on cereal boxes, etc.) but a Swan Graphic is always white on black background as found in the Swan Orientation video. The same goes for the Sri Lanka logo. However, the Pearl logo and graphic are BOTH white on black background. A physical fixture of the Pearl logo can be seen in the Pearl Orientation video. There, the fixture itself is once again white on black background. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hyeok (talkcontribs) .

Maybe it would be useful to have a chart of the different versions of the graphics as we have seen them with screen shots:
1) Black on white printed logo as seen on cereal boxes and things
2) Stencil version which has the broken line octagon
3) White on black video logo
4) 3D relief wall hanging
I had assumed that the logo was just reversed for the videos, I hadn't noticed it being reversed anywhere else as you mention. I'll have to go back and look for that. As far as coloring goes, I had noticed it for the staff logo, but I think it's kind of ambigous if it's really red in the line logo. --Jackdavinci 15:19, 18 February 2007 (PST)

I'm pretty sure that the so called "Unidentified Lost Experience Logo" posted in the Article wasn't part of the Lost Experience...It was part of a fan-made ARG that ran about this time last year. I recall the picture being circulated at the time, and the poster finally admitting that it was part of an unofficial game (The story that it came from the Hanso website before being quickly removed being part of the ruse). Perhaps someone who actually participated in the game can back me up?--Kivipat09:27, 5 November 2006 (PST)

  • I didn't participate in the game, but I remember that this picture was released, and proved to not be canon, long before The Lost Experience started. --Fezir 17:51, 5 November 2006 (PST)
  • Yeah, it's going in the Fan (noncanon) logos page VERY fast :) It is a fake site. --PandoraX 16:17, 6 November 2006 (PST)
  • In that case, the Ray Mullen and Marvin Candle pages need to be edited too. I'm leaving in ten minutes, so I can't stick around to do so though :( --MightyRearranger 16:24, 6 November 2006 (PST)
  • It's alright, thanks for the heads up MR, I'll get to it. I remember when this fraud website came up and it being refuted, but I can't recall what the URL is now. It's one guy who's pretty much been getting his jollies posting the new info as "part of TLE", when it clearly never was. --PandoraX 16:27, 6 November 2006 (PST)

The Staff Logo and the vaccines from COL

The section under the Staff Logo states that this emblem can be found on the vaccines delivered to Eko's village in Nigeria in Cost of Living (S3E05). This is false: the emblem on the box of vaccines is simply a generic medical staff with "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" printed around it. Maybe this information was based on a screenshot of another box of vaccines? Please correct me if I'm wrong. See the screen capture from lost media (You may have to enlarge it to see what I mean.) The stamp on the side of that box is not that of the Staff. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by April26 (talkcontribs) .

  • Agreed, I just went and looked this up myself also: screencap. The caduceus is shown (since it is a commn sign of medical supplies, after all), but nothing like the DHARMA logo, so took this section out. Everyone, please take care that what you add to this page is factual, as this is how myths spread on the internet. --PandoraX 07:21, 12 November 2006 (PST)

The current one looks great, but Dharma is placed under the logo, just like on The Pearl (and others). Bettyfizzw 12:33, 18 February 2007 (PST)

Sri Lanka video Logo

I am thinking this is THE main logo for dharma. What noone else seems to have noticed however, is that BOTH circles have smaller inner circles on the same point on their radius.

Its VERY hard to see, but its there.

What I THINK this represents is the island and its surroundings which are actually situated on another planet/globe accessible through these smaller holes shown in this logo (spacetime wormholes?).

Why is this the main dharma logo? Because the island is the location for everything that the dharama initiative is working towards and it is very special in its own right.

New Logo?

Is this a New Logo or is this the Main Logo? Ig85 17:49, 22 February 2007 (Germany)

BusLogo

DHARMA Bus.

It looks like the logo on the shark and on the canteen. I wonder why.WarthenMan I think the Logo on the shark is the Main Logo and the Canteen Logo must be red. Ig85 18:16, 22 February 2007 (Germany)

I think all of the "line"s are DHARMAs and in the case of th canteen the red bits are the staff symbol. --Jackdavinci 10:41, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Another New One

Did anyone else notice the logo on the Podium in the room where they held the "trial" on the Episode "Stranger in a Strange Land?" Tailor 09:54, 26 February 2007 (PST)

That is The Hydra logo. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 15:31, 26 February 2007 (PST)

New Logo on Blue Road Map?

In 3x10 (Tricia Tanaka is Dead), Sawyer takes a quick glimpse at a blue road map. On the right side, there is a DHARMA logo. I have compared it from what I can see and it doesn't look like any of the logos we have seen so far. Flippy 22:13, 28 February 2007 (PST)

  • Just looks like the Swan logo to me. --Marik7772003 22:14, 28 February 2007 (PST)
  • It might be the Swan, but it wouldn't hurt to look into it. Flippy 22:21, 28 February 2007 (PST)
  • Yeah, it's probably just the Swan, that would make sense. Flippy 06:36, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Line logo policy

We already have mention of the two most discussed examples of the supposed "line logo". Assuming there actually is a line logo that is not simply another logo too small or blurry to make out definitively, please don't add any additional examples unless it's real, large, in focus, and unmistakable, and accompanied by a screencap or link to one. More blurry photos add nothing to the discussion. Thanks folks. --Jackdavinci 10:32, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Raven Station?

Has recently been revealed as "The Raven" station. On the Blast Door Map
there is one station scratched out. This station has been revealed as the
"Raven Station" which will be explored in LOST Season 4 (semi-confirmed,
alternate names below. I will post the confirmation website later.)
Also referred to as "The New Station", "The Bird", or "Blackbird"


I don't know where this came from, but I removed it from the Article. --Doc 08:43, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I guess we need to now include the logo for the new station, The Looking Glass, seen here:

Lookingglass

It is a white rabbit. Steven Andrew Miller (☎) 20:42, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

With a spot. Can't forget that all-important spot. I wonder what it means? Evil-pineapples 20:43, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

Lookingglasstemp2 okay.. so I got a little bored, its close, and right now Im using it as a placeholder in a thread until I can make a better one, if anyone needs it though, go ahead and use it. One thing I noticed is that The Pearl, That Psychology symbol, and This new Looking Glass symbol are all inverted colourwise from the other Dharma symbols. Also Mark Wickmond appears in the Pearl video, while Marvin Candle appears in the videos for the other stations (non inverted). --mac_ad 21:37, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

2 looking glass logos

The logo on Sayid map is different from the logo on the station.

Lookingglasslogos

There is no hole in the station logo and it is inverted. Maybe there is a second station?


It looks like there is something written in the 'rabbit hole' on the schematic version of the logo. Higsby 09:41, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Maybe the 'hole' also represents the white rabbit's clock? --CottrellS 10:56, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
Agreed. It reads 8:15. See the discussion on the Looking Glass page too. --XR15 11:51, 19 May 2007 (PDT)

You know how the Swan logo was inverted on the road map? The Looking Glass logo appears inverted(?) on the diagram, but different on the station. I think the real logo is the one seen outside the station. --DharmaMan 14:40, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

  • Agreed, but maybe because I just like black outlines instead of white. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 18:32, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

logo of power station?

Power-stationLost-games-006

Well its a logo so it should be added BUT I think the Logo should go through a few more revisions becuase currently it looks like it was made on paint. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  07:00, 6 August 2007 (PDT)
I agree, but someone should make it. -- Boone 07:05, 6 August 2007 (PDT)
Maybe we should wait to closer to the game to save spoilers. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  08:59, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

Swan -Backwards R

Does this really have place on this article? Although it is on the ABC website it does seem to be a mistake. Should it be removed? --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  06:10, 28 August 2007 (PDT)

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