Archive 1—through Dec 2007

Could we add the DHARMA recycling logo present on a coffee cup in the ABC store also where is the black swan logo?--Thelamppost 20:30, July 25, 2010 (UTC) Also what about the inverted standard logo?--Thelamppost 20:32, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Normalized Logos Collection

Hello. I think that all the logos should be normalized in order to have absolute simetric qualities. Sometimes, on the show, the logos might not seem simetric (the trigrams might appear to have different distances to the edges, the circles might seem off-centered or the Red Staff might seem to be bigger on the right side than the left). However, this page concerns the Dharma Logos, not their perhaps-badly-stenciled-prop version. I am no Design Artist, but I understand that when a Logo is produced for any company or any group, the creative person or people behind it always save the information on "how to make the logo from scratch", which means they keep a very detailed blueprint, showing many values, like thickness of line, lenght of line, distances, angles, etc. The nature of the Dharma Logo has a simplicity that calls for very easy rules for its construction. It doesn't make any sense that the logos have trigrams that are not perfectly aligned with the eight diagonal axis. It doesn't make any sense that the Arrow is not simetric considering the central vertical axis. I want to help by studying the existing logos and coming up with a mathematically-exact blueprint that can be used to create mathematically-exact logos (which will look almost like the current ones, only with perfect details). My problem is that, soon, someone with Photoshop abilities will be needed to create a consistent collection of "perfect" logos and I am not that guy. So, if anyone is interested in teaming up with me in order to solve this issue, please send me a PM. I hope that someone else cares about these details. Thank you for your time.--Garmonbozia 23:34, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

I've thought about this in the past too, but the conclusion I've come to is that with the exception of some fuzziness on the edges, the "imperfections" of the Dharma logos are intentional. Obviously the intentional breaks in parts of the stenciled logos can be ignored when making our logos since stencils would be impossible without them and those breaks don't appear in other versions of the logos. The only thing I'm not sure about is the imperfections of the iching lines (the ends seem to be randomly either slanted or straight and rounded or sharp) - I haven't looked at the screencaps closely enough to decide whether those are consistent (appear in non stencils and have the same imperfections in different stations) or not (an artifact just on the stencils from paint imperfections) - but that should be easy enough to investigate. But in terms of symmetry (Like the Pearl circle being off center) and a certain lack of streamlining, I think that's intentional, because it appears in all versions of the logos, not just he stencils, but the wall reliefs, maps, films, etc. I think it was probably done on purpose to achieve a particular feel to the Dharma Initiative. Therefore I don't think we should modify the logos to be more "perfect" at least for the purposes of this page. It could be a fun project for your user page though! --Jackdavinci 04:01, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

Does anyone know which DHARMA logo was present at the beginning of Cloverfield? It looked like an inverted style logo (maybe the Pearl) and it didn't appear to have the word DHARMA in the center. (My guess is either the Hydra, Pearl, or a new logo.) Nick2010 16:53, 21 January 2008 (PST)

It looked like the Pearl to me. I wonder if anyone can find an image of it. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  16:56, 21 January 2008 (PST)
I found a picture, look at the bottom right corner. It is the Pearl-- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  17:12, 21 January 2008 (PST)

Cloverfield Dharma Logo.jpg

Is there a possibility to create a separate page for the Cloverfield movie and it's connection to Lost? It was created by J.J.Abrams , it contains a Dharma logo, an image from the movie may be seen during FIND 815 first videodiary - this should be enough for it. We have Star Wars page for the very same reason. Malachi 08:49, 24 January 2008 (PST)
I would suggest adding it to Outside references to Lost. There isn't enough information in my opinion to justify another article. Dharmatel4 08:53, 24 January 2008 (PST)

It's not the Pearl - the word "DHARMA" doesn't appear in the Cloverfield logo.--Kemot from Poland 07:16, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

Needs to be added.--Nevermore 13:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Temple and (non-)Line

Now that "Meet Kevin Johnson" has confirmed the Temple logo, I've changed that on the article. I've also removed the bit about the Line logo, as we are in season 4, and this has been hashed and rehashed to death, with each instance now having been shown to be the generic DHARMA logo. Also reshaped the article a bit for clarity and aesthetics. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:15, 25 March 2008 (PDT)

No way. There's no way that picture was clear enough to "confrim" anything.--Roobydo 00:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Red hydra + Dharma Temple

1) I don't think it's probably worth changing yet since we can't make it out clearly, but I just wanted to add my random observation - in the Temple logo, instead of a T under the circle it looks more to me like the word Dharma. All of the logos have the word Dharhma either in the logo itself or as a replacement for the first IChing line under the logo. It looks like the broken line is not replaced by Dharma so it makes sense that the Dharma would be elsewhere. 2) This might be worth changing, after investigation: I noticed, and it looks like somebody else noticed too, that the abc store merchandise gives the hydra a red symbol in the middle. Not only on the example in the article, but also on a set of lapel pins. The pins are accurate in other ways - the pearl is reversed, and the staff has a red staff. The picture we have for Hydra on the article is a stencil. Are there any other screen shots from the show that might reveal if red was ever used for the hydra in non stencil form? If so we might want to change our "official" version. --Jackdavinci 23:52, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

  • I don't believe the red hydra logo was ever used on the show. The only examples I can give was on the hat of Damon Lindelof pre season 3 and merchandise at the ABC store. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 07:50, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

Logos on Dharma-stations-articles

Why are the logos on the "info-boxes" on the Staion-articles removed?    Lash  talk  contribs 

I still see logos on on the station pages. And I don't see any evidence of them disappearing in the history. Maybe your browser was just acting funky. --Jackdavinci 22:32, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
  • That's weird. I don't see them now either. Not in FF, Opera nor IE :(

Does someone know what this is? It seems like everything else works as it should, but i can't see the logo in the box. It's annoying!    Lash  talk  contribs 

Ben's Parka

Ben's parka in Ep. 4x09 had a new Dharma logo on it. Could we add that logo and a little section for it please? --The Cartographer 22:09, 24 April 2008 (PDT)

The picture of the new Dharma Logo is incorrect. It shows the King Wen Later Heaven Order. If you look at the screencaps of Ben's Parka, the trigrams are much different.

According to this screencap [1] the new logo does have the word "DHARMA" in it. --Jackdavinci 19:33, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

  • Agreed. We need a new logo graphic to match - if no one gets to it before this evening then I'll make one. --Doc 10:06, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • I did upload a new version which you can verify by looking at the history page for the graphic. But it seems like it takes a day or two for the server to process replacement images. Uploading them under a new name makes it appear right away, but I've been chastised for doing that as the preferred method is just to replace the image. --Jackdavinci 13:11, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

The trigram arrangement on Ben's parka before turning the FDW is very different than the trigram arrangement on the parka after he land in Tunisia. Could this be a hint that Ben changed more than just the island's location when he turned the wheel??--Kansasgal71 20:29, 15 July 2008 (PDT)

The Yijing and Romanization

The entry uses a style of Romanization called "Wade Giles" when writing Chinese words. It mistakenly says that this is "Pinyin." Wade Giles is an older system, which is quite misleading when it comes to pronunciation. It is in use currently in Taiwan, whereas the People's Republic of China on the mainland has opted for Pinyin, which is probably a little less misleading, although Roman characters that we use to write English can never adequately reproduce Chinese pronunciation, at least not in an accessible way. In Pinyin, "I Ching" is Yijing. The "Y" is silent and it is pronounced like the letter "E" in "email." "Jing" rhymes with "sing." The academic standard is to now use Pinyin. Using Wade Giles is fine; the mistake is in calling it Pinyin.--Lost.Sole 07:14, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

  • If Pinyn is the current academic standard, then shouldn't we use that? --Doc 10:07, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • I'd be fine with that, only I am not going to take the time to change almost every Chinese word in the entry--which for me would involve checking them to make sure my Pinyin is correct. Off hand I only know common words like Dao (Tao) or Daoism and the Daodejing (Tao te ching), Beijing (Peking), Nanjing (Nanking), Xinjiang (Chinese Turkestan), and common names like Zhang (used to be spelled Chang). Besides, Lostpedia is not publishing for an academic press. In the non-academic world Wade Giles is probably still more common than Pinyin, along with the mispronunciations it gives rise to (T sound instead of D sound in Daoism, CH sound instead of J sound in Jing, etc.). As long as we're consistent, one or the other is fine.--Lost.Sole 22:25, 7 May 2008 (PDT)

What happened to the shark logo? It was confirmed to be a real logo why was it deleted from the logos page? --The Cartographer 20:13, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

  • The shark did have a logo but it wasn't the fictitious line logo - it was just the plain Dharma logo. --Jackdavinci 01:02, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

Is it possible this logo is the symbol for "diver down" that scuba divers use? ...and not just a plain Dharma logo? --*creatingmore 09:10, 8 May 2008 (PDT)

It should be put back in. If you zoom in on the shark's logo image from the show you will see it is a line that connects to either end of the logo, their are no eligable letters in the line. Also the producers said it was intentional. All in favor in bringing it back to this page say aye. Aye. --The Cartographer 10:30, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

All previous instances of the supposed line logo have turned out to be the Dharma logo when we got clearer closeups of the same object. The line logo is just an illusion that appears when you shrink or blur the Dharma logo. The producers said that there was an intentional logo, not that it was a line. The only clear picture of the shark logo is the one from the ARG and that one actually uses the Swan. --Jackdavinci 13:16, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

Hey guys I think we should open up the issue about this logo. I have freeze framed this in HD online today and zoomed in. It is definetly no the Swan and Its definitely the logo with a white line through. it. And I do remember seeing this logo in the Lost Experience once before. Therefore, because it is cannon, I think it should be added to the page of logos. 5:34, 20 May 2008 (PDT) --Bulldogdispatch

  • No one is claiming it to be the Swan logo. It's the MAIN DHARMA LOGO - i.e. read the damn article and the discussion above before commenting please! It's very frustrating to have to explain it to every single new user.--Overworkedirish 17:58, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I dont see how its the main dharma logo. The main dharma logo looks way different...it has the word dharma writeen in the middle
  • It's been shown many times that when logos that have the word "Dharma" in them appear very tiny and/or blurred, the word looks like a line. On the other hand, never in the show have we seen a large clear logo in which there was a line instead of the Dharma lettering. It's just an illusion caused by shrinkage and blurring. If you want to reopen the discussion you're going to have to find a large crisp clear screencap and not a tiny blurry one. --Jackdavinci 13:49, 21 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Ok Ill look for one.
  • The best thing to do would be to wait and see if it ever appears in the show. There our confirmation to it's existence will be. --The Cartographer 13:54, 21 May 2008 (PDT)

Why is this logo given special significance on the "The Shark" page, but not on this page. Just watching from a DVD on a standard television, I can see both sides of the debate. When the logo first enters frame, it looks like a solid line that cuts through the entire circle, unlike the contrast of "Dharma" on the standard logo. However, by the time it hits the right side of the frame, the line seems to become more 'squiggly,' yet it still breaches the entire inner circle unlike the standard logo. Either way, I'm confused about the hostility surrounding the discussion, as though it would be tragic if it was mentioned here. And if there is such a problem in mentioning it, again, why is acceptable on the "The Shark" page? Ketamonkey 09:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

New Logo?

In Cabin Fever when Locke goes to the mass grave, the second body the camera pans over has a logo with a solid black center sort of like the Pearl logo but different. I propose we add this as a new logo. I would do it myself but I don't how to make one. --The Cartographer 20:04, 8 May 2008 (PDT) Deaddharma.JPG

It just looks like the Pearl logo to me. It's possible that the Pearl logo doesn't get inverted when it's on patches. Unless we see it elsewhere I think it would just clutter up the page like the supposed "line" logo that was just the Dharma or Staff logo tiny and blurred. --Jackdavinci 01:23, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

How about the logo on Keamy's manual. The lines around the centre swirls are clearly different to that of Ben's Parka Jacket. --mcruzier 20:43, 9 May 2008

If you mean the hexagrams, already changed the article text to reflect this. I'll fix the logo graphic later today.--Jackdavinci 06:08, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

The Pearl nor any other logo has had an inverted center only the surrounding hexagram. Why should we believe the same with this? Couldn't it just be that this is a new logo? What about all the stuff that's black or and white in show. Could it be there is a white centered logo (the Pearl) and a black centered logo (new station or something)? --The Cartographer 21:35, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

True no logo has just an inverted center. But plenty are shown completely reversed in certain situations. Typically all the logos are black on a white background except in videos, where they are reversed, except the Pearl logo, which is reversed (the entire logo is reversed) even on plaques and stencils and so forth. It's possible they don't bother to invert the whole thing when it's on a patch. If the Pearl had a white center on the patch, the entire background would be black and the hexagrams would be white. The generic Dharma logo also has a black circle center, although it also has the word "Dharma". The Pearl has Dharma instead of one of the hexagram lines. It's hard to tell in this photo whether the hexagram is complete or has Dharma in it, and hard to tell if the circle is pure black or not. It's tiny and blurry and obscured by a twig. I think this is similar to the other cases of tiny blurred logo photos. It's a logo we already have. But if it's truly a new logo, it will show up in the future in a clearer fashion. Til then it's best to not let pareidolia influence article content. --Jackdavinci 23:45, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
  • There ARE logos with only inverted centers. IN THIS VERY EPISODE - Horace's "Arrow" logo is shown with a white arrow and white "DHARMA" on a black circle background, while in other cases it has been a black arrow and black "DHARMA" on a white circle background, DESPITE hexagrams staying in the same color scheme. This evidence, to me at least, points unequivocally to this "mystery logo" to be a patch-version of the Pearl.--Overworkedirish 02:10, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

The patch is in nearly full view. But it doesn't matter cus I'm not going to convince you other wise. YOU guys are the ones in charge so do WHATEVER you want have it your way! --The Cartographer 07:15, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

  • ...I'm not entirely sure what you mean, Cart. Either way, I just spent a good bit of time revising the page and reviewing logos of past episodes - that same body that's shown in Cabin Fever with the seemingly all-black patch is shown more clearly for a longer time in The Man Behind the Curtain - where erosion of the word DHARMA can be seen. Check skull positioning and everything. Also, I found there are patches of the Pearl that in fact are their normal, inverted selves. Go figure.--Overworkedirish 08:24, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Good catch.. and good work. thanks! --Jackdavinci 09:04, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

It could also be the Temple logo.--Kemot from Poland 07:41, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

Alternate Hydra Logo?

The logo above the door of the Hydra facility that houses room 23 is not the same as the standard Hydra logo. The snake heads have tongues and eyes, while the central body shows less division between the heads. [2]. MrEvers 12:45, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Good catch with the eyes! But those aren't tongues, those are stencil lines. --Jackdavinci 18:48, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

I'm Desperate To Know The DHARMA Font! Please reply

Ive sen this been avoided before, but I really need to know what the font is. My reason is that im making a flag for glastonbury 2008 and as I'm such a nerd i want a DHARA flag but customised so can someone please tell me what font it is or where I can obtain it--Conoreff 11:52, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

I'm pretty sure it's just stylized lettering and not a preexisting font. Do you just need the Dharma name in vector format so you can print it large, or did you want to write something else in the same style? If the former, write me on my talk page and i might be able to help. If you need a whole font, you are probably out of luck. --Jackdavinci 16:43, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
If you are talking about the font on the comic-con Dharma logo, it is 'Futura Lt Bt'. I have been using it since comic-con. The downside is that it cost a small amount to buy, but being a LOST fan, its worth it!!
If you are talking about the original Dharma logo's font, then it does not exist. Hope that helps!! :) --LOSTMAN1|talk|contributions 15:06, 10 December 2008 (PST)

Was watching the episode where Claire goes to The Staff, and to my surprise I saw what appeared to be a new logo on a water bottle Ethan had in the flashback. It had a red center with a white line going through the middle. I will watch it a third time to see if that was really what it looked like, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't like any logo I've seen. --The Cartographer 08:41, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

It's the Staff logo, but it just looks a little different. See Canteens.--TechNic|talk|conts 09:01, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

You're right. Strange though that it has a line through it. --The Cartographer 11:04, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

It doesn't have a line through it. Like many other Dharma logos, if you find a screenshot and it's tiny and blurred, the letters in "Dharma" tend to look like a thick line. There are many examples of tiny blurred Dharma logos that when seen later in high res clearly have the word "Dharma" and not a solid line. On the other hand, we have never seen a high res version of a logo that turned out to have a solid line instead of the word Dharma. --Jackdavinci 12:01, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

Ok JACK whatever you say! you seem to know everything! Even though the white line goes right into the white around the circle it's still (according to Jack) the word DHARMA. Whatever dude I'm sick of arguing with you about this type of thing. --The Cartographer 12:18, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

  • You can read the previous discussion and see comparison images here: Talk:DHARMA logos/Archive1#"Unknown Logo" Dispute and more discussion here: Talk:DHARMA_logos/Archive1#And what does the script coördinator think_about_Ethan's canteen?--TechNic|talk|conts 12:31, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Cart... this is just about the third time I've seen you start with this petty whining just because someone disagrees with you. This is a discussion page. We discuss. We have insightful conversations. Jackdavinci was being nothing but helpful. Please use good judgment and don't degrade other users based on the mere fact that they disagree with you.--Overworkedirish 13:51, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Sorry if I came across as at all dismissive. I was just trying to be informative. I think it's great that you are looking back at old episodes to discover new things. And I hope you continue to do so. It's just that this particular issue had already been discussed and resolved in the past. But don't take my word for it. Look at some of the items that have the Dharma logo on them like the food supplies, and then watch for scenes where the same items are small - the Dharma word will blur into a line and seem to connect with the circle. And if ever a large hi res logo appears on the show with a line instead of "Dharma" I will be the first to admit it. :-) --Jackdavinci 02:21, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

I'm sorry too. I overreacted and was having a rather pressing day, and I took it out on you and for that I'm sorry. --The Cartographer 08:41, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

I think that there's a problem with the logo, because it hasn´t the word DHARMA, but in Keamy's folder Dharma is clearly visible [3]. Someone should change it because I think that the folder is more accurate than the dharka. --LordKlivan 19:48, 17 May 2008 (PDT)

Yes, you're right. It's also on Ben's parka. A user got carried away and changed it. I've left him a message, and I guess we can go round and change them back again shortly.--TechNic|talk|conts 20:09, 17 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I think this issue will be cleared up once we get INTO the actual station next episode.--Overworkedirish 21:58, 17 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I would like to see some reference to the difference in the Orchid Logo's on Ben's Parka. I do not believe it is a simple prop error.

Parka before turning TFDW [4] Parka after landing in Tunisia[5] Another shot of the parka[6]--Kansasgal71 15:53, 15 July 2008 (PDT)

In my opinion this logo should be removed, because:

  • The game is not canon,
  • The logo didn't appear in the final version of the game. --Kemot from Poland 08:15, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
Agree BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 11:50, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
Agree-- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:23, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Disagree - it is a DHARMA logo that appeared in the trailer. Whether the game is canon or not is irrelevant. The Sri Lanka symbol isn't canon, but it is still there. I think the logo should stay. --CTS 13:29, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Disagree. The Lost Experience logos aren't canon either.--Overworkedirish 18:04, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
  • disagree Irish and CTS bring up a good point.--The Cartographer 18:31, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Disagree As above. So long as it is flagged as non canon, then it's fine. Still worth a mention.--TechNic|talk|conts 18:36, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Disagree Deserves a mention. But agree could be less prominent. Could be put in a non-canon section though and taken off the logo block at the top. --Jackdavinci 19:20, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Then maybe move it to trivia section or something like that?
    • And another thing: Sri Lanka Video is canon, right? Then why is the logo marked as non-canon?--Kemot from Poland 06:34, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
      • The various ARGs are not canon.--Jackdavinci 15:05, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
        • I thought the producers said they were semi-canon? Don't remember the exact date of thwe podcast where they said this but it was just after the release of Via Domus (which they also discussed). --The Cartographer 15:29, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
  • As far as determining what in semi-canon is exactly considered to be canon, there's no verification that the logos are canon, and should be considered non-canon until then.--Overworkedirish 16:33, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Well, the information about Hanso and Valenzetti are canon, but the Rachel stuff and presumably the game aspect and "events" are non canon. This is somewhat complicated with the Sri Lanka video because probably the best way to look at it is that the orientation film part of it is canon (and by proxy the logo) while the setting of the clandestine videotaping by Rachel is probably not canon. I think the logo is probably canon, but because it's from a source that has both canon and non canon aspects that are not always perfectly separated, this probably fits best in the "disputed canon" category. The flash logo however is definitely non canon. --Jackdavinci 16:43, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Has there been any discussion or speculation into what the Temple logo might represent? It seems like all the other logos generally have representations of their names, like the Swan, the Flame, and the Pearl, or representations related to their names, like The Looking Glass. I can't figure out what the Temple logo even is, let alone what it represents. Could determining what the image is possibly help decipher what the Temple is/does? Jacob's Lather 06:44, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

The best screenshot we have is still tiny and blurred. The logo we have on this page is guesswork. Looks to me like a black circle cut off at the bottom, below which is something else, maybe the word Dharma. Some users are thinking there might be a T shape below the circle, perhaps representing T for temple, or an altar shape. Ben seemed to think his people would be safe there even though he knew Keamy knew about the Orchid which was supposed to be secret. Before we saw Ben's map people thought the temple was related to the ruins and the foot statue. But now that it has a Dharma logo we are assuming it's a Dharma station. Or maybe it's both - some sort of ancient site with special properties that Dharma took over. In any case, the brief tiny glimpse we have right it's impossible to make more of than speculation. --Jackdavinci 15:11, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
Since Utopian Socialism, with no direct foundations on any religion, but with no restrictions to any kind of religious belief, was part of the Dharma Studies and since the Dharma People seem to have come from many different cultural backgrounds, it is easy to understand why the Temple logo would need an Universal Symbol - something that everyone could connect to, despite their religion or beliefs. This being said, I can see that cut off circle logo representing a rising sun on the horizon, since the "rising sun" is a powerfull image for "renewed faith" - the only thing that all Temples provide. --Garmonbozia 22:45, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

New Logo in Via Domus

In the fuel can, there is a logo with fuel drop or something.

Do you have an image of it? --CTS 14:27, 8 June 2008 (PDT)
  • It looks like the Flame logo, but is a bit different.--Kemot from Poland 04:03, 19 June 2008 (PDT)


New logo or the "real" Temple logo?

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but in the Orchid video Dr. Candle's lab coat has instead of a Swan logo, a different logo. It had a solid white "surface" at the bottom of the inner black circle, and possibly the word Dharma in it.

I would say it's the actual Temple logo considering it looks so much like it, but it could be a new logo. Your thoughts? --The Cartographer 08:29, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Is there an image of this somewhere? I thought it was just the standard DHARMA logo, not the Temple logo. --CTS 17:44, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

unfortunately I don't have a pic of it. I'm pretty sure this is a different logo from the regualr Dharma logo. If someone could provide a pic of him with the logo in plain sight up close (this can be obtained cus otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it) that would be most helpful. --The Cartographer 19:15, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Here's a couple of screen caps, straight from the videos on this site. The top is from the outtakes and shows Halliwax wearing a coat with The Swan logo. The bottom (which was taken at 1:13/14) is from "There's No Place Like Home, Part 2". I can not make out what logo this is. All I see is a black circle in the middle. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:33, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

Can someone upload an image of the inverted Staff logo seen on Ethan's water bottle in "Maternity Leave"? This should be on the dharma logo page. --CTS 19:25, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

The logo can be seen on the Canteens page. It used to be on the DHARMA logos pages in one of the "unidentified" sections, but was always the subject of controversy. It's come and gone so many times from this page in the past. See here for the latest discussion about it and links to previous discussions.--TechNic|talk|conts 19:33, 1 June 2008 (PDT)
It is pretty obvious though that the logo contains the red staff therefore it is an inverse logo of the Staff station. I don't know how to make the logos look nice on paint or whatever, but someone should make an inverse logo and put it on the page. --CTS 12:56, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
The inverted staff logo that is shown on the dharma logos page is wrong in the way that the logo shown in the show on Ethan's water bottle has no black background (the round part in the middle where the white dharma is written on). In fact the background is brown, like the water bottle itself. I know it`s probably just because we wouldn't see the white dharma writing without the black background but still I hate those kind of inconsistencies Aulusagerius 10:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I Think I've Been Proven Wrong

About a possible inverted Pearl logo. If you have the second season on dvd open it up all the way, and on the very last flap behind the disc is what appears to be a inverted Pearl logo. I'm pretty sure it's the Pearl because on the other flaps are the Swan, Staff, and Arrow logos. --The Cartographer 13:12, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

The Orchid Inverted?

This is the image of the inverted Orchid logo. Does anyone know how to make a clean version of this logo? -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 17:24, 22 June 2008 (PDT)

Inverted logos

It seems that every time a logo appears in orientation film, it is inverted (Swan, Orchid, Sri Lanka). That means that the "official" version of the Psychology logo is an inverted version of the logo seen in the film - black head on white background. --Kemot from Poland 04:45, 27 June 2008 (PDT)

Unofficial logos

I think unofficial ones, particularly Via Domus ones should not have an image in the table at the top of the page. They should still be listed under the non-canon subheading - but I think the top of page should be for the "official" ones. Thoughts? --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:26, 12 July 2008 (PDT)

Disagree. I think that it's nice to have them all at the top as a reference. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 12:56, 12 July 2008 (PDT)
Agree. Via Domus logos should be removed from the table. --Kemot from Poland 10:41, 1 August 2008 (PDT)

Black Swan

With the new ARG going on. There has been some connection with Black Swan. Would it be possible to distinguish between the time the swan logo was shown inverted?--Kansasgal71 14:33, 30 July 2008 (PDT)

Surefit Doors

I found this though another users link somewhere here on lostpedia: [7]. Thats the site, and this is a link to the logo itself:[8]. Not sure if there is a cultural impact thing here or not. Is there a place for this here? BTW, this apparently has NOTHING to do with any ARG.--moss ryder 00:08, 17 August 2008 (PDT)

Should the new logo revealed in the Dec. 9 Special Access video be put on here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ridan (talkcontribs) 23:02, 9 December 2008. 100px

I think so. What's the point of a Lostpedia if it doesn't tell and show you everything there is to know about Lost? -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
LP shows you everything about Lost that isn't a spoiler. Read the spoiler policy. --Blueeagleislander 20:08, 9 December 2008 (PST)
But that doesn't make sense. If you didn't want to be spoiled, why would you even come to a site like this? Lostpedia implies a systematic way of organizing all knowledge available on a subject. Thus the focus is on knowing things, not on "not being spoiled". If this aversion is consensus here, then that is fine, but then Lostpedia should change its name to Lostwiki, which is really what it is. Because it is, then, not an encyclopedia in any sense. -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Ao, I totally agree with you. Besides it's a logo not a plot point or cast list it's a logo. All it tells us is that there's a Dharma logo this season. Besides, what if it's a farce and not really part of the show eh? --The Cartographer 22:30, 9 December 2008 (PST)

LP is known for its stance on spoilers, which is why you would come to a site like this. The creators of the show dislike spoilers, as well as many fans. And we would never change the name to Lost wiki...there already is two named that, and LP is established under this name. If you wish to discuss the spoiler policy further, go to LP:SP's talk page. --Blueeagleislander 15:34, 10 December 2008 (PST)
I don't think this count as a spoilers since it was presented by the show's producers. You said it yourself, the show's creators dislike spoilers, so everything they willingly give us and want us to see before the premiere is not spoiler, but rather teaser. Besides, I don't see how this logo gives us any clue as to what will happen in Season 5. To me, the trailers qualify much more as spoilers than this logo, since they show footage of Season 5. That's why I don't watch them.--Lauridsen77 06:06, 11 December 2008 (PST)

Excellent point Lauridsen. --The Cartographer 10:06, 12 December 2008 (PST)

Non/Semi-Canon logos

Should the non/semi canon logos really be on this page? I'm referring to the logos featured/shown in the ARGs and video games which do not have a connection to a DHARMA station right now. - Freekazoid 15:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they should. Although they may be non/semi canon, they still are DHARMA logos in the Loat universe. I think this page should be all-inclusive. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 17:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

unidentified partial Dharma logo?

I was rewatching the Tabula Rasa episode with some friends last night and I saw something I hadn't noticed before. When Hurley is listening to the song on his headset, there is a scene where Walt is walking away from some of the wreckage. On the right, on the side of the plane, is a faint outline of what appears to be part of a Dharma logo. Can any of you verify if this is indeed a Dharma logo, and which one it might be? Joespiff 08:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Constructed the logo that can be partially seen on Jin's jumpsuit in 5x06. Shall we include this somewhere, or wait for a full version of it on the show? --<BauerUK> tlk | cnt | www | irc 18:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Not Yet. From what we can see there's definitely something on the two side spikes. Maybe saying Dharma? Other opinions?--   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  18:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I along with anyone else who up to date on spoilers on Dark UFO's blog, have known about this logo for over a month. So I thought you would like to know it does have the word DHARMA in the middle of the star. Also you will find out what exactly that logo represents two weeks from now. --LOST-The Cartographer 19:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

New Logos (DHARMA wrench and star)

Could someone please upload logos for the DHARMA wrench (seen on Juliet's jumpsuit) and the star (seen on Sawyer's, Jin's, etc. jumpsuit)? -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 04:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


In "Namaste", there was a new logo on Hurley's jumpsuit. It was the Chef logo. It's quite funny though, Hurley will be a chef :) --Kemot from Poland 16:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Yea those who've been keeping up with spoilers at DarkFO's site have known about this logo since mid-December. I've been wondering if this logo is further evidence for a manufacturing station. There's substantial evidence that would point to DHARMA having some sort of factory on the Island where they would make there DHARMA wine, peanut butter, ranch, beer, cereal etc. I mean they can't bring bring all their supplies from the mainland. --LOST-The Cartographer 16:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Here i add the Chef logo on Hurley's jumpsuit--Blopa 07:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Problems with page

The actual article is different than the article as listed being most recent in the history tab. This is also causing problem when trying to edit - clicking on the edit tab gives a notice that you are editing an older revision. Can anyone fix this? --Jackdavinci 07:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a glitch, however fixing it will cause the page history to be only accessible to sysops. I'll still do it though, in a moment. --Blueeagleislander 07:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

New from 5x10?

I'm going to go back and check, but I swear I saw another new logo other than Hurley's. I think we should maybe divide the Station logos from the utility logos from the non-canon ones. There's quite a mess of em now. --Orbitingteapot 05:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Is the new one you saw the from the tray too like blopa mentions or from somewhere else?--Jackdavinci 04:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The best shoot I can provide (720p).

I just watch the episode in 720p and saw a logo con the tray of ben. But i can't get a good screen.Blopa 19:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible Names of Logos from abc store

In the Lost section of the abc store, are now available T-Shirts with the "chef" logo, which is called as The Dharma Initiative Cafeteria logo. The same for the "star logo" called the Dharma Initiative Security logo, and "wrench logo" as Motorpool logo. Is this a good reason to rename the logos of the article, or is necessary to wait a more explicit source like the series itself or Official podcasts?--Veracrux 03:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't have an answer to that question, but I came across a variation of the "star logo" in the Season 5 finale. It has the "Dharma" closer to the top of the star. I don't think it warrants a different high-res logo to be made, but I wanted to note it here. George47 05:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Security logo with Dharma moved closer to the top

Dharma oil.jpg

There have been two perspectives as to what the "Fuel logo" from Via Domus looks like. There is only one screencap we have of the logo (seen on the fuel can on the left). One interpretation is that it is a flame, and another is that it's a drop of fuel. Personally, I see a drop of fuel but another user thinks it's a flame.

  • Fuel drop. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 17:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
  • It's me who thinks that it is a flame. --Kemot from Poland 18:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Looks extra flamey to me - notice the irregular outline, and whiteness at the bottom. --Jackdavinci 09:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Flame, no doubt, along with what Jackdavinci says. --metalpotato@hotmail.com 06:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

They Aren't Hexagrams - They are Octagons

A hexagram has six sides (hex=six). All Dharma logos are octagons. See [[9]] to see that no hexagram has eight sides. I suggest total search and replacement on logo-specific pages to change "hexagram" to "octagon".

  • You are confusing hexagram with hexagon. Hexagrams refer not to the shape of the overall logo, but to the I-Ching lines. Strictly speaking, three lines is a trigram and six is a hexagram. So I would support chaning some of the hexagram references to trigrams. But when the page refers to hexagrams it's referring specifically to the lines (saying where the word Dharma is) and not to the border. --Jackdavinci 08:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


Speculative Temple Logo.JPG
Speculative Temple Logo.JPG

seem to be two different interpretations of Ben's map to The Temple seen in "Meet Kevin Johnson". One is that it says "DHARMA" at the bottom of the logo; the other is that there is an "altar" at the bottom. The altar logo is seen at the right, and the "DHARMA" logo at the left. Initially I was convinced that it said "DHARMA", and there was no altar at the bottom. However, after looking at it again, I think I can definitely see an altar at the bottom. Thoughts?
-- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well it's a lighter color, which suggests that whatever blurred art is there is not solid black, which to me suggests the word Dharma since we know it doesn't replace the trigram which usually indicates that it appears in the logo somewhere. But there does seem to be a little bit of stuff under that, so who knows. Maybe it's Dharma with a bit of the bottom of the circle under it as suggested by another fan's interpretation. Based on it not being pure black and DHARMA not appearing in the trigram I have to vote for "DHARMA" being there. But there's really no way to tell unless we see the logo again or someone from the show clues us in. --Jackdavinci 09:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

New logo in "Some Like It Hoth"

Sam's screencap

Apparently there's a "notebook" logo as seen on Hurley's notebook . --LOST-The Cartographer 02:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

  • It looked like an apple sitting on a book with pencils nearby or something. Perhaps a notebook for the school?
  • Here's a screencap. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, what I see there is a "school" logo... --metalpotato@hotmail.com 06:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • It has books.Blopa 20:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Smiley emoticons smile.gif -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Merchandise logos

Some of the screenshots have been decent, but most of the logos still come down to a certain amount of guesswork. Has anyone here bought any of the official ABC merchandise with logos on them (not the fan stuff on ebay that got their logos from here)? I think that would be a good source of hi res versions of the logos. If anyone has any, and is willing to scan them in for me, I'd create more accurate versions of the logos for this page. --Jackdavinci 10:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Captain Bird, and the rest of his crew were waring a new DHARMA logo with a submarine on it. --LOST-The Cartographer 02:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

See this image for a detailed screenshot. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Entire Framecap: Here--Blopa 20:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I can definitely see how this would be a submarine. I'll be honest, though, when I first saw it I thought it was a shark's mid-body and dorsal fin. I think that contextually it makes a lot more sense that it would be a submarine, but was wondering if there were any more screencaps that reinforce that point just so we can be sure. Maybe we'll see more tonight. £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 17:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
"Makes more sense"? a shark in the sub crew? I'm not so sure, it's like saying a polar bear in the hydra crew would make sense... The shark was anecdotical, the submarine is not, they work in it, I don't see the sense, and of course I don't see "more" sense. And anyway, I'm pretty sure that the season finale has clarified this. --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 02:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Page structure

I've been structuring a bit the page (position of images, fixing sections, etc. I'd like to say two things:

-The page is simply too big. I think the "The logos' origins" section should be moved to a new article (and extended a bit once out of here). A line should be added at the start of the page like the "logos" and "fan-made logos" ones. Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 04:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I've created a section for the stations logos (so all the titles from the 3rd to the 13rd aren't main sections) and a section for the suits logos (as they are not "Unidentified canon logos"). Now the sections are a bit more structured. --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 22:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


In the final frame there's a lot of logos on the bottom. Have we seen all of them before? I don't recognize some, but I also can't understand why they'd stick unknown ones on. --Golden Monkey 00:07, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

In order, the ones I recognise are: regular DHARMA logo, Swan, Hydra, Looking Glass, Flame, School, Sub, Security, Motor Pool, Chef, Pearl, Orchid, Lamp Post, Tempest, Staff and Arrow. That's all of them, so it doesn't look as if any of them are new.--Baker1000 00:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
Which sucks because there should be one station yet to be explored. Where's the dang ole meteorology station!? --LOST-The Cartographer 06:14, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
Haha. Well, they can always just add another station when they want to. There could even be another one off the Island. It's always made me laugh that we were originally lead to believe there were only 6 stations (because of the "3 of 6" note on the Swan film) but they always add another when they need one.--Baker1000 13:14, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

New "knife logo"?

I've found a "knife logo" on a picture that taken from the lost auction. http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/111/1112319/lost-20100813024310008.jpgEnos 16:11, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

As awesome as it would be to have another logo this is unfortunately a standard logo. It just has a couple dents in it. --LOST-The Cartographer 16:55, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Clear version:


--Enos 13:51, September 16, 2010 (UTC)