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Title=The Swan/DHARMA Initiative Playing Cards

Oooooh. Somehow I missed these. Me want. :) --Jmast7 13:07, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

These can be purchased on the web now. I wonder if that should be mentioned, maybe under a trivia section.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   08:30, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Daniel's "Tarot" Reading

(note: I'm cross-posting these three posts from the "Eggtown:Discussion" page because they are relevant to this topic, too.)

Just for kicks I decided to look at the three cards that Charlotte turned over for Daniel as if it was a Three-Card Reading from a Tarot deck. This is not completely bogus, as playing cards are actually used in lieu of traditional Tarot cards sometimes to do fortune telling. The four suits of the Tarot deck's Minor Arcana are represented by the four playing card suits.

There are several differences between the playing card deck and the Tarot cards. The first difference is that the playing cards only have three "face cards" (King, Queen, Jack), while the Tarot deck has four face cards (King, Queen, Knight, Page), so instead of each suit containing 14 cards, as in the Tarot, the playing card deck has only 13 cards per suit. Another major difference is that there is no Major Arcana represented in the playing card deck. And finally, the last difference is that the playing cards have no "reversed" meaning, which the Tarot cards do - in other words, in most Tarot decks the cards may be either right-side up or upside down when layed on the table, and this difference often changes the meaning associated with the card. Other than that, one may use playing cards in a pinch if someone is just really Jonesin' for a Tarot reading and no Tarot deck is at hand.

The Three-Card Reading is a fairly common method. It's very simple: the first card represents the Past, the second card the Present, and the third card the Future. So, to do the reading, you look at the meaning of each card, and then place that meaning into the appropriate slot - so that the card that is in the "Past" position would indicate what the subject's past influences had been.

Okay, so here is the layout of Daniel's hand (I'm giving the name of the playing card, followed by the corresponding Tarot card name, and the links for each Tarot card are to an online site that provides illustrations from the commonly-used Rider-Waite Deck):

Past: Queen of Diamonds, or Queen of Pentacles

Present: Six of Clubs, or Six of Wands

Future: Three of Spades, or Three of Swords

Here are the definitions of these three cards given as if they were Tarot cards (taken from the online Tarotpedia site's definitions):

Queen of Pentacles: This card has two possible interpretations. Any time a face card shows up in a Tarot reading, it may indicate that it could either be an actual real live person who is close to the subject of the reading, or it could also represent some ideas or influences at play. Or it could be a combination of both. In this case, the Queen of Pentacles would represent a mature woman who is very "earthy", and who probably has a dark complexion or dark hair. If this card represented some influences, they would be:

  • Nurturing, generous, resourcefulness
  • Devotion to family and community
  • Fertility, abundance and prosperity
  • Sensuality

Six of Wands: This card represents the following influences:

  • Victory, triumph through hard won battles, over stiff competition.
  • Receiving praise, acclaim, and laurels for your victory.
  • A warning in this card is that with such acclaim can easily come pride. Beware of that becoming prideful.
  • Charisma

Three of Swords: This card represents the following influences:

  • Cutting to the heart of a matter
  • Betrayal in a relationship
  • Heartbreak or sorrow. Also, the need to understand your sorrow.
  • Severing emotional ties -- hence, a separation or divorce
  • Loneliness
  • An avoidance or deadening of our emotions or feelings. For example, being a workaholic or tending to over-intellectualize our experiences are a couple of ways to avoid feeling or experiencing our emotions. Thus, beware allowing our intellect to kill our emotions.

So, to do the reading, this would indicate that in Daniel's past there were influences at play that involved either a very earth mother type person, or that he was surrounded by a very warm, nurturing, supportive environment.

In Daniel's present he is undergoing a very difficult test, but he is doing okay at the present. There seems to be some warning, though, of being overly confident from success so far...

Daniel's future does not look too happy. The Three of Swords is a pretty complicated card, having several main influences, including over-intellectualising, distancing oneself from one's emotional or love life through overwork or running away. It also represents loneliness, heartbreak, emotional loss, lack of nurture. In other words, the Future for Daniel represents the complete 180 degree opposite of his Past!

Now, what was interesting to me in that scene was that Daniel got the third (Future) card wrong. Instead of him remembering it to be the Three of Spades, he thought it was the Ten of Cups. So, let's look at the Ten of Cups:

Ten of Hearts, or Ten of Cups

Influences:

  • Abundant blessings and emotional well-being or fulfillment
  • Joy and serenity of being at one with the people in your life
  • A happy, stable relationship or home life
  • The attainment of purity and happiness through the integration of your emotional experiences
  • The Ten of Cups may signify a happy family.
  • The Ten of Cups is a "Stage Card" which may imply an illusion of happiness in a relationship or it may indicate the ideal of a happy marriage or family. It also can say that joy comes from how we view our life, not from what happens to us.

So what this would mean (from my interpretation of it) is that Daniel WANTS his future to be a culmination of happiness, a successful marriage, a nurturing family life, etc. He wants the same thing that he has had in his Past.

BUT...

Instead, what it looks like he's going to be getting is heartache, betrayal, loneliness and sorrow. -- Saukkomies 12:50, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Seven of Spades In Aaron's Room - Tarot Interpretation

If you followed my previous posting above in this discussion thread I mentioned I was looking at the cards from the perspective that they were Tarot cards instead of regular playing cards. That in mind, someone from another board (the Fuselage) posted a comment asking what would be the Tarot interpretation of the Seven of Spades card in Aaron's room at Kate's house. Lo and behold, this really turned into a great find! Here's my response to this person's question:

"Originally Posted by mrain01 What is the Tarot meaning of the 7 of spades (easter egg in Aaron's room)?"

Oh BOY! I think you really hit on something there, mrain!!

So, as a refresher, here's the screencap showing the Seven of Spades pasted to the painting of the bicycle riding boy.

Here's the image of the Rider-Waite Seven of Swords (which would be the Tarot equivalent to the Seven of Spades).

And here's the meaning:

Taking risks (rationally or irrationally) Partial success; Partial failure Dishonesty; Deceit; Betrayal; Deception; Underhanded tricks; Mischief; Treachery; Sabotage; Theft Taking the easy way out ... Acting shamefully or without honor Running away from, or turning your back on, your responsibilities. (For example, a “deadbeat dad”) Getting away with something wrong or unethical Leveling the playing field Thinking outside of the box Guard your belongings and take precautions--something may come up missing.

So - What my usual reaction to seeing the Seven of Swords is: THEFT. It can also mean Kidnapping. And of course, as said above: taking the easy way out, and acting shamefully and without honor.

WOHO! Is this a clue or what?!?! -- Saukkomies 14:51, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Another Card in the Painting!

Someone from the Fuselage, who has HDTV, caught that there is actually another second card that is in the painting of the boy on the bicycle in Aaron's room! Here's the screencap. It appears to be a Heart - and also looks like it could be the Queen. Working from this hypothesis, and using the method of analyzing these cards as if they were from a Tarot deck, here's what my take on this is:

whenever a face card (King, Queen, Knight, Page) comes up in a Tarot reading, it may indicate several possibilities. Unlike the numbered cards which basically have a straightforward meaning of certain influences, the face cards can have the same straightforward meaning, or they can indicate a person close to the subject - or even the subject him or herself. Or, to make things even more complicated, a face card can indicate a combination of a person plus some influences at work, too. Heh. I hope that all makes sense...

Anyway, the Queen of Cups is, of course, a face card, so it could mean that there is someone close to the subject (and I'm taking the subject to be Aaron, since it seems as if that's Aaron riding the bicycle), or it could also mean some influences that are in Aaron's life or the life of this other person. It is important to note that, although the person indicated by the Queen of Cups is likely to be a woman, it is not necessarily the case; the person could also be male.

So I'll first describe the person indicated by the card, and then the influences. Again, I'm taking these things from very generic and widely accepted sources so as to eliminate any possibility of misinterpretation (since this would be the same thing, I believe, that TPTB would be using if they're intending these cards to in fact represent something from the plot). The descriptions I'm taking from the Tarotpedia web site, and I'm using the Rider-Waite Tarot Deck for the pictures, since that is THE most widely used deck in North America, and possibly the world.

Queen of Hearts = Queen of Cups:

Influences:

  • A communion with others or empathy for them
  • Dedication to home and family
  • Sensitivity and an empathic nature
  • Intuitiveness

Description of a person represented by the Queen of Cups:

Someone (most likely female) who has reddish blonde hair, a reddish complexion, who is very intuitive, sensitive, caring, nurturing and loving, and who places family above everything.

Now, for the position of the Queen of Cups behind the Seven of Swords. There are several ways to look at this. It isn't as straightforward as Daniel's cards - they were obviously layed out to represent a Past/Present/Future reading (or I should say that would be the basic conclusion if it had been a Tarot reading):

1) In a traditional "spread", there are two cards that are layed down first - they are supposed to indicate the two main influences at play in the subject's life at the present time. They may be read several ways: one way is to see them as being two opposing forces in the subject's life, another would be that together they form a synthesis - as if they were in fact one card instead of two, and the other way to read them would be that the subject has two choices in his or her life - two paths to choose from.

2) These two cards represent two separate things that both are connected to the subject (Aaron). Each one describes two major aspects of his life, but are not to be combined together in any way, as is done in the first way above.

3) The third way to look at these two cards is that the bottom card (Queen of Cups) has been "trumped", so to speak, by the top card (Seven of Swords). So in this case the Seven would have cancelled out the Queen. The Queen would be a major influence in the subject's life but then was replaced or cancelled out by the Seven.

So, since there is more than just one obvious way to interpret these two cards, I'll do the best I can with these three ways I mentioned above (and there very well may be another way of looking at this, and if so, I'd love to hear anyone's alternate interpretation). So here goes, these are my interpretations for each of the three ways:

1) In this way of looking at the cards, we see two forces that may either be opposing each other, or are combining to form a synthesis of the two cards. So, if it was opposing, the reading of the two cards would be that there is a force at play in Aaron's life from the Queen of Cups that represents either a person or some influences, and this force is countered with the Seven of Swords. The Queen probably represents either Aaron himself, or Claire (I don't think it would represent Kate, since it would be someone who is blonde, not brunette). On the other hand, it represents that Aaron has a strong sensitive, intuitive nature (it could also mean that Claire has a sensitive intuitive nature). It is a "good" card - one that implies that whoever is represented by it has a lot of insight and love.

So then we have the Seven to deal with - which as we've already seen is not such a "good" card. It represents theft, kidnapping (possibly), betrayal, lies, deceit, taking the easy way out, and cheating. So in this first way of reading the cards this would mean that the subject (Aaron) is being influenced by these two forces that are seeming at odds with each other - on one hand there is this sensitive, intuitive, loving and nurturing influence, and on the other one that has torn him from his mother. Perhaps, though, these two forces are not opposing each other, but are merely just describing his world at the moment.

2) In the second method we look at these two cards as being separate, and although they both describe the influences at play in Aaron's life, are not really connected to each other. So in this way we'd see that the Queen is describing a sensitive, intuitive, nurturing and loving person - perhaps Aaron himself, and the Seven is describing the situation he finds himself in - having been taken from Claire (whether she is still alive or not is irrelevant to this reading).

3) The third way of looking at the cards is the most dramatic of all. In this case I'd say that the Queen represents not Aaron, but Claire. It basically says that Aaron was surrounded by the love and nurturing of his mother, who was intuitive and sensitive, but then he was abruptly torn away from her.

~~

So, what to make of it? Well, that's the tricky part, since it could mean a number of things. I think that it comes down to two separate generalized interpretations:

1) Aaron is a sensitive, intuitive, loving boy who was taken from Claire through a less than honorable way.

~or~

2) Aaron had been in the care of his loving, sensitive, intuitive mother Claire, but was taken away from her through a less than honorable way.

The difference between these two interpretations is who exactly does the Queen of Cups represent - Aaron or Claire. It's rather obvious it is one of them - or perhaps there's a third interpretation which would indicate the Queen might represent both Aaron and Claire... Hmm.. But anyway, that's my own interpretation of it. If anyone has any other way of looking at this, I'd be most happy to hear about it. -- Saukkomies 08:51, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Pictures into a gallery

Are picture galleries available on Lostpedia? If so, perhaps the pictures should be placed in a gallery at the bottom of the article. Having the pictures on the left side destroys the bullet formatting. Robert K S 13:56, 26 February 2008 (PST)