Misuse of the term constant in the section "Afterlife Constants

That section doesn't belong simply put. As the article states above it Daniel Faraday came up with the term to explain the conscious requiring a object or person to care about across time traveling. the section takes that term and applies it to to the soul in the after life. The two things time travel in the living world and the after life are two different things. There is no evidence within the context of the show that the two particularly regarding the mutual recovered memories the deceased souls have at times with someone they touch. I think this is the confusion between soulmates and constants not the same thing and as I mention Constants is a term that wasn't intended to apply with the dead, only the living time traveling in relation with each other. Does anyone think that Daniel Faraday chose Desmond as his constant because he was in love with him? I don't think so. Desmond is just someone that was convenient to connect to because of his unique ability to travel through time. Mixing this with the memories flashes the souls of the castaways were having is a big mistake and is leading to confusion including the proposal to merge these so called Afterlife "constants" list with the "soul mates" article. Constants is a scientific theory concerning the time travel of living people (something that is theoretically possible in real life according to most real life scientist of Quantum Mechanics). The souls are supernatural. They exist in the context of "Lost" but I don't think Daniel Faraday would had told anyone that his theory applied to ghost. There is nothing in the show to show that the two phenomena are related. The Afterlife "constants" could be just powerful memories engaging, like in real life a certain note of music or a smell provoking a powerful memory and hand nothing to do with finding each other. Is Desmond Ben's constant because Ben remembered the island after Des beat him to a pulp? Is Desmond Charlie's constant because he had memories of the island after Charlie almost drowned him? Also as we know now there weren't two timelines but only one. The Original timeline. The sideways timeline never existed as it turns out. It is the same people after they all died. It is a different plain of existence the souls are in but not a parallel universe of living beings. Their minds were never linked between universes or different times within a timeline as specified in Faraday's theory. I don't think the two phenomena have anything to do with each other. Hunter2005 15:01, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

They're two concepts, but they're remarkably similar - too similar for coincidence. In the afterlife, characters make contact with something - an object or a person - of great importance to them. Upon making contact, they retain memories of the current timeline but also attain full knowledge of the other timeline, raising them to a new level of awareness. (Yes, I know they aren't really separate timelines, but Lostpedia's current standard still calls them as such. Nor are 1996 and 2004 two timelines.)
No, Daniel didn't choose Desmond as a constant because they were in love. That's irrelevant - "afterlife constants" need not involve love. In fact, Desmond didn't even qualify as a constant by Desmond's time travel definition; Daniel didn't hold Desmond as significant in 1996. Later events suggest Daniel never picked Desmond as a time travel Desmond but noted him as special in case something went more seriously wrong, as it indeed did.
And mere deja vu does not bring back all memories. As "flashes between timelines" documents, deja vu - and unconsciousness, and pain - merely reminds characters of some detail from their past. Desmond punching Ben is one example of this. Des seeing Charlie's hand is another. Characters need some further step to remember fully. We never actually see Ben's flashes.
As for the "soulmates" concept, that word misleads far more than "contants." As I wrote at length on that article's talk page, the term soulmates suggests this awakening process always involves romance and always connects two people. It doesn't. --- Balk Of Fametalk 22:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

DAB on this page and "The Constant"

Why does the DAB on this page say "Constant" redirects here when the page is entitled "Constant" and the DAB on "The Constant" say "The Constant" redirects there when that's the title of that page? A page cannot redirect to itself. And unless I'm mistaken, I believe the rules dictate "Constant" and lowercase "constant" should redirect to "The Constant" (since the word "the" in titles aren't operative and the episode gets precedence over the concept) and the episode page should have a DAB that says "'Constant' redirects here. For the fixed value, see Constant (fixed value)" while this page shouldn't need a DAB at all. If that's not correct, the DABs on both pages are still somewhat silly and should be fixed to leave out the "'Constant' redirects here..." and "'The Constant' redirects here..." parts and just contain the "...For the episode..." and "...For the fixed value..." parts. --macosx 14:37, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

"Redirects here" isn't to be taken literally in this case. It's an artifact of the {{otheruses}} template. You might want to propose any suggested changes over on that template's talk page. Robert K S (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

Libby

  • Libby did not wake up when she kissed Hurley. She was already awake. He woke up and she asked him what? Because she was already awake by that point.Bellac230 13:39, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Similarities to the afterlife

First of all, Constants is a time travel theory. I think you're trying to connect the romantic notion associated because of Desmond and Penny. In The Constant Desmond actively seeked out communication with Penny to stop the time flashes. In the Flashsideways, no one even knew it was a problem.

The theory is finding an object or person that is in both timelines to stop time traveling.

Afterlife awakening is becoming aware of your life before the sideways world.

Someone even wrote they're unconnected in the description. Semidelicious 22:43, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

See my response above. --- Balk Of Fametalk 22:49, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

"See apophenia"

An editor cited apophenia when deleting the section. Yes, people have erroneously connected various things to constants. But here, we aren't theorizing that a concept explains something mundane. Rather, we're attaching the concept's name to a confirmed phenomenon. And this isn't just random fan theorists, by the way, that connect the two. Newspaper reviews have called afterlife links "constants." This doesn't prove they are but it proves the connection obvious. --- Balk Of Fametalk 01:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

  • That's fine, but what fans think and what newspaper reviewers write is not canon. We seem to be drifting away from our carefully crafted standards in the past few weeks. There are exactly TWO uses of the term Constant on the show and those are properly documented in the article. If any editor has a theory about Constants applying elsewhere, he or she should put that on the Theory page.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
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