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| + | *'''[[Talk:Charlie Pace/archive1|Archive 1]]''' (Since Time- September 15, 2008) |
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| + | This subsection dealing with Charlie appearing to Hurley belong in Post-Death not the afterlife--[[User:Thelamppost|Thelamppost]] 21:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | In series one he was writing a new album, for when he gets back to civilisation. What happened to his guitar since then? |
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| + | == Point of Charlie's sacrifice? == |
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| − | --[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 08:44, 30 April 2006 (PDT) |
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| + | I don't see the point of Charlie shutting off the chamber and sacrificing himself. If he had left the door open, it would have taken so much time for the entire station to flood that Desmond and Charlie would have easily escaped. What purpose was served by his death?--[[User:Six Strings|Six Strings]] 15:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It was in last weeks episode. ([[User:Isolation815|Isolation815]] 08:44, 19 April 2007 (PDT)) |
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| + | *It is pretty much agreed that Charlie completely believed in Desmond's vision that when he died, Claire would be rescued. He sacrificed himself even though he didn't need to, to ensure rescue. He also probably accepted his fate, since death kept coming for him, so in this scenario there would be something positive from his death. --[[User:Robev|Robbie]] 19:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | **I still think it is pretty weak. --[[User:Porcher|Porcher]] 07:12, February 5, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | In the article it's stated that one day Desmond saw him ("Flashes Before Your Eyes"), and that another day he was playing in the street and after that he saved Nadia ("Greatest Hits"). But, in both times, he was playing "Wonderwall" when it started to rain. What if what we see in "Greatest Hits" was the Original Timeline, before it was changed by Desmond because of his mind trip? I think at least a reference to this should be added. --'''[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]]''' <font size="1">([[User talk:Dr. James|4 8 15 16 23 42]])</font> 19:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | In "Flashes Before Your Eyes", which aired on 14 February 2007, we have learned from Desmond that Charlie is gonna die, probably very soon. Is this for real? Apparently Desmond has repeatedly managed to save Charlie's life, but is convinced that sooner or later he won't be able to pull it off. It's very disturbing to think that Charlie's death is going to happen any time now... Any theories about this? ~~[[User:Saukkomies|Saukkomies]] 01:08 18 February 2007 (EST) |
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| + | *There wasn't a change; otherwise, after the flashes, Charlie would remember and recognise Desmond. --[[User:CooperSimply|CooperSimply]] 22:48, February 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | == FRINGE!!! == |
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| − | I believe that Charlie was always meant to die, and here is my back-up, at least all that I can think of off the top of my head: |
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| + | it says that he will be a character in season 6. Fringe talks about the alternate universe. In this universe the Twin Towers are still up and 911 attack was in the White House. So in this world either the plane landed or he lives and doesn't die when visiting the looking glass. A wierd theory for Fringe is that to cross paths you MUST die in one world to enter the other! this could be why desmond told him that he MUST die so that other charlie could travel the worlds. The charlie that visited hurley said im dead but i am here. This could be hinting about fringe's universe theory. He dissappeared probably because his "time" ran out and was forced to leave that world and go to his proper one. ([[User:Metroid101|Metroid101]] 02:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC)) |
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| − | 1. In the Pilot episode, he is standing very close to the turbine that later kills Gary Troup/Turbine Man and explodes- he is lucky not to have been sucked in himself. |
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| + | ==To many pictures== |
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| − | 1a. Not too long after we see him by the turbine, he is nearly struck (he would presumably be hurt if not killed) by a falling piece of plane- the one that is on fire. It narrowly misses him, and he looks around in shock before walking away. |
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| + | There are to many pictures here. Also Charlie Pace's main picture has been changed without discussion.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 15:58, July 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | :I changed it back, and cleaned up the images a little. Someone got a little carried away. We could do with some better versions of the screencaps added because some of them are a bit misshapen--[[User:Baker1000|Baker1000]] 16:29, July 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | 2. He gets hanged, of course, by Ethan Rom, and is only narrowly saved by Jack's obsessive inability to 'let things go'. |
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| + | == Flash sideways, appearances order== |
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| + | People keep putting the appearances before the flash sideways. Yes, that's chronological order. But we don't obey chronological order in character pages. We follow their actions from their point of view. For instance, Sawyer's page doesn't list his time with Dharma before his relationship with Cassidy, even though the former happened first. Similarly, we should list the flash sideways before his return to earth. --{{User:BalkOfFame/sig}} 22:04, August 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | 3. He almost gets crushed in the tunnel while trying to dig Jack out. |
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| + | :But how do we even know that he has "returned"? For all we know, he could have been stuck in that world until he convinced Hurley to return, and then he was able to start his afterlife. By all means place it after the flash-sideways, but the opening line says he returned to the real world to visit Hurley, which we can't be 100% sure of since it's never stated in the show.--[[User:Baker1000|Baker1000]] 23:03, August 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | ::''Returned'' is a bad word because it implies people go ''somewhere'' when they move on. But I don't see Charlie creating his flash sideways after meeting Hurley. Everywhere else on the encyclopedia, we imagine people making their flash sideways as soon as they die and using it to come to terms with death. Ghost Charlie has already come to terms with his death. He exists in some place/realm in which he can communicate with other dead like Christian. I can't resolve him existing in this Higher Plane of Existence with then having to make a flash sideways to convince himself that he died. --{{User:BalkOfFame/sig}} 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | 4. He almost gets blown to smithereens when the hatch explodes. |
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| + | On another note, I've noticed some people changing ''Flash Sideways'' to ''Afterlife''. I am under the impression, we are using the creators terminology ''Flash Sideways'' unless there is specific clarification from Cuse/Lindelof, perhaps in the LOST Encyclopedia that is coming out soon. I got this impression from Plkrtn's comments on the ''Flash Sideways World'' talk page. Is this correct? |
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| + | --{{User:Just Sayin'/sig}} 20:06, August 27, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | 5. Back to the pilot (now that I think of it), he is with Kate and Jack when they are being chased by the monster. |
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| + | *IMHO, ifv you see az change to "Afterlife," change it back.--{{User:Gaarmyvet/Sig}} 20:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | ** Yes, though we casually drop "afterlife" into the bodies of articles, we do ''not'' list it as a heading. --{{User:BalkOfFame/sig}} 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | 6. He is ALSO in the presence of the monster when it comes face-to-face with Mr. Eko, even though it leaves (it may not, however, have seen Charlie). |
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| − | 7. Of course, as Desmond attempts to prevent, he was also meant to get struck by lightning and drowned trying to save Claire (these are the obvious ones though and may not count). |
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| − | SO. Can anyone else think of any other similar instances in which his life was truly at stake? I'm sure there are more I just can't think of right now. ~~[[User:ohwhatalife_16|ohwhatalife_16]] 03:33 19 February 2007 (EST) |
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| − | i'm sorry, i think only the desmond ones count, for this reason: |
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| − | everybody is stuck in time, and everybody can only do what they are destined to do. They cannot change this because they do not know what they are destined to do. However, desmond has seen it, therefore he can change the future (although not fate itself). Now, although Charlie has always been destined to die, the near misses previous to the lightening cannot count, because another character was destined to save him. In the lightnening strike, nobody was destined to save him, but because desmond did, the future changed, although charlie is still destined to die. Yeah? So, becuase other people were destined to save him, at that point in time he was never actually destined to die. |
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| − | * it's definitely interesting that Charlie has had so many near death experiences, especially the hanging. But plenty of other losties have been in danger, and we don't know whether fate wants him dead and keep trying to for some unknown ultimate purpose, or whether his original death was just an accident, and fate is just trying to kill him to keep things the way they were. I don't think we have enough info to guess yet. |
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| − | I agree, we need more info before we can make a decision. Any speculation as to when his demise will occur? I would guess end of season.--{{User:cerberusislost/sig}}. 14:41, 25 March 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | I don't believe that Charlie will die because of a small thing I believe is an Easter egg about his fate. If you listen to the song Charlie Plays in Desmond's flashback/lucid dream its WONDERWALL by OASIS. The lyrics go: |
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| − | And all the roads we have to walk along are winding |
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| − | And all the lights that lead us there are blinding |
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| − | Like to say to you |
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| − | I don't know how |
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| − | You're gonna be the one who saves me ? |
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| − | And after all |
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| − | You're my wonderwall |
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| − | Since they were in Desmond's flashback it can be assumed that though Charlie's path is "winding" down Desmond will be able to save him from eminent death. - {{User:DavisSmailington}} |
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| − | == Charlie == |
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| − | Ok now this bit is something of a leap i know but... Charlie made sure that Ethan reveals nothing to the survivors by pumping 6 rounds into him. He knows that Sayid is a trained torturer and skilled in information extraction. We know that Ethan comes to him in the forest and talks to him but did we see the whole picture. |
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| − | If it wasn't for the fact the Charlie was left for dead, Claire's lack of recollection, you could almost think he was involved in the kidnap and my even have helped created the 2 trails that split the search party making Ethans job easier. |
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| − | What if he was going along with an offer he was made only to be double crossed and hung. |
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| − | I just find something odd about Charlie. He is a very prominant character and features on DVD covers with Jack and Kate where i would have thought that Locke or Sawyer were more senior roles. From the creator interviews i think Sawyer was something of a surprise to them that he was such a popular character. |
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| − | --[[user:MRNasher]] |
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| − | I think we can probably take the Charlie/Ethan relationship at face value. |
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| − | --[[user:Joezoo]] |
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| − | How come Claire is so quick to poo-poo Charlie's sleepwalking and "visions?" She had very similar experiences, and she herself was considered by her fellow survivors to be a little paranoid for a time. I'd expect her to be more understanding. |
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| − | --[[user:skidoo]] |
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| − | == The Moth == |
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| − | Maybe the moth emerging from its chrysalis has a wider meaning than was obvious. |
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| − | When Charlie is revived he was reborn. His character is much darker, bitter and violent than before. He has been through a trauma but has he come back as a different man.--[[user:MRNasher]] |
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| − | I'm finding it hard to like Charlie now. I was in tears when he was hanging dead. He was such a cool character, considereate, caring with a good humour about him. One of my favourite scenes with Charlie was when he was tyring not to read the diary. |
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| − | But his hoarding of heroin statures and his envy of Locke makes him hard to like. |
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| − | The idea of Charlie been darker since his revival is good, but I personally feel this steps from his hatred and jealousy of Locke and his rejection from Claire. |
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| − | --[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 08:44, 30 April 2006 (PDT) |
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| − | == Career Choices == |
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| − | Let's not forget Charlie's chance at being on The Office when Lucy's father purchased a Paper Company in Slough. |
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| − | == FATE - LATE == |
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| − | I am confused a bit. Wasnt paying attention to this in the show enough. Now here i read it was first LATE then FATE and a few days later i read it was first FATE then LATE, then I read that one of it was only in a dream sequence. - is someone really sure about this and can support or deny what is written in this article now? --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 08:19, 17 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | The last edit is probably mine, it had just LATE on it and I added the FATE. I just watched the pilot episode again few days ago (to get the candybar cap), and in it he writes FATE, of this I am sure. I have a faint recollection that after few days on the island, he changes it to LATE (as there's no rescue party). Not sure about the dream/hallucination bit either. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 09:14, 17 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | == Morse Code == |
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| − | During the flashbacks on the plane, we see Charlie agitantly tapping the arm of his seat with his ring, apparently from withdrawl symptons. Is it possible he is tapping morse code? and if so what is it saying?. --[[User:Morrison|Morrison]] 23.54 28 March 2006 (GMT) |
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| − | Just a thought: When the plane crashed Charlie went to the toilet in the front section where he tried to flush his stash. Then the turbulence started and Charlie ran out of the toilet and sat down in a the next best seat. Shouldnt Charlie then have been found in the front section of the plane in the jungle with the pilot? But he was on the beach. Sned me your responses please. |
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| − | Yes, that's a point, he didn't return to his seat, I can't recall how far back he went, but it did look like he sat right in the front of first class. That's a bit mysterious, but then again, so is Jack's appearance in the woods. Perhaps there is a gap between the plane breaking up completely and the survivors waking up - it's possible that a selected group were saved and brought down to the island safely (apart from those with injuries, but perhaps survivors like the Marshall were given just enough time to reveal secrets). |
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| − | As for Charlie's tapping, I thought it looked like a genuine agitation to me. Who could he be tapping to anyway? |
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| − | --[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 08:44, 30 April 2006 (PDT) |
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| − | == Charlie in the toilet == |
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| − | Just before the crash, we know that charlie in the toilet and as a result he is in the front section during the crash. but in pilot 1 we see him on the beach just after the crash. how could it be? |
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| − | Very confusing. Especially considering Boone and Shannon were right in front of the toilets. --{{User:Princess_Dharma/sig}} 07:38, 17 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | * Not exactly. You can see charlie walking past them on his way to the toilets, then he keeps walking, goes through the curtains separating first section to the 2nd one (where Boone and Shannon were seated). After charlie gets out of the toilets and gets almost smashed by the food cart, you can see him making his way to the 2nd row of seats and attaches his seat belt. What's really odd there is , from what you can see in the front part of the wreckage, there is at least 3 rows of seats in there... So either some footage is missing (with charlie going further back in the plane after getting out of the toilets), or its a some kind of mistake by the producers but from what you can see on the 2nd part of the pilot episode he was indeed sitting in the front section of the plane when it crashed. --[[User:fabC|fabC]] |
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| − | == "Tweaking" == |
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| − | What exactly does it mean that he was "tweaking on seat 29C""? --[[User:Ramirez Selvarn|Ramirez Selvarn]] 11:36, 19 May 2006 (PDT) |
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| − | "Tweaking" is used to describe frantic and compulsive behaviour often associated with methamphetamine abuse. --[[User:Doctag|Doctag]] 05:08, 27 May 2006 (PDT) |
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| − | *Charlie actually died when hanged by [[Ethan]] and was resurrected by [[the Island]]. |
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| − | *Charlie wasn´t really hanged by [[Ethan]], but hanged himself. He didn´t have his hands tied, as it's expected when someone is hanged. It doesn´t prove that Charlie hanged himself, but it does make a suicide possible. In this case, the [[Others]] could be telling the truth when they say that they are the good ones.--[[User:Marretta|Marretta]] 17:55, 8 April 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | *The conversation at the end of [[One of Them]] was [[Sayid]] trying to recruit Charlie for something, maybe his own army. |
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| − | * May have read [[Hurley]]'s message for the bottle taken on [[the Raft]], as [[Sawyer]] does later. |
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| − | *Is lying, or witholding information from [[Claire]] about what happened at the hatch after the button wasnt pushed. |
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| − | *Acted very strange after he returned from the Hatch, maybe got infected by the sickness, or something else happened to him seeing he was in the location of the new incident. |
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| − | *is suffereing from amnesia and has no recolection of what happened after the button wasnt pushed, possibly was blown out and away from the hatch whilst escaping. (note that he does describe some of what happens to Claire, so it's not clear that this holds any water). |
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| − | * Since first taking the injection from the [[vaccine kit]], Charlie seems to be acting stranger. These actions include his short temper at [[Eko]], and his conversation with [[Locke]] about the return of [[Desmond]]; Charlie almost seems to purposely be stirring up trouble. These actions could possibly be related to [[the sickness]]. |
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| − | * May have been "bought out" by the others to give [[Claire]] the vaccine for the baby. We never saw him procure the [[vaccine kit]] from the supply drop. He was easily "bought" by Sawyer for his dirty work earlier. |
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| − | He was hiding nothing about the hatch implosion, he asked Claire "You want to now about de flying fork or about the fire-ball following me?" and Claire took it as a joke.--[[User:DL|DL]] 13:49, 9 August 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | *Interesting to note that Charlie is rarely, if ever, seen playing bass. He often plays guitar on the island, and plays piano in his flashback in [[Fire_%C2%B1_Water|Fire + Water]]. |
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| − | ** He is seen playing bass in a concert in a flashback. |
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| − | What kind of middle name is Hieronymus? I googled it and it came up with a Dutch painter, and a band from Oxford, which was formed in 2000 (which FBYE's flashbacks probably happen before). so do you think it's his real middle name or not? --{{User:Blue eagle islander/sig}} 00:04, 15 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | *The name Hieronymus was a part of Desmond's flashback/dream, and should not be used until it is confirmed officially that it is his real middle name. |
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| − | :* Above, please sign your talk pages. Also, it does count as significant; all FB elements are "official", even if questionable as far as what "really" happened... we still list them because it is an observation/perception of Desmond's. I think the Dutch painter is the most important reference personally, since he painted a lot of religious symbology with demons and angels (also the name of one of the Lost songs). --{{User:PandoraX/sig}} 14:08, 16 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | *Maybe not used as his official name, but certainly mentioned. Also it's possible it's just part of his "stage name".--[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] |
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| − | On the page it says he is in Hurley's flashbacks (at the categories on the bottom), but he isn't. Should it be removed?--[[User:Phil|Phil]] 14:00, 16 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | : Yeah, good eye. I changed it to Desmond's. I think the Hurley's FB cat was added because he is shown briefly in a scene where Hurley tries to get on the elevator at Sydney hotel, morning of the flight. But this isn't really counted as that significant in the [[character connections]] list, because many of them stayed at the same hotel and saw each other at the airport.--{{User:PandoraX/sig}} 14:06, 16 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | :Maybe we could have a new category for flashback characters that appear in either minor flashbacks like Otherville or on the same day as the plane flight (Hurley's hotel, the airport, the plane itself) --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] |
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| − | That would WAY over complicate things. {{User:Princess_Dharma/sig}} 07:36, 17 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | :It says that Charlie is in Hurely's flashblack because when Hurley is looking at CD's he looks at the Driveshaft album and talks about how bad it is. |
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| − | Hey, I was just wondering whether the middle name should really be percieved as canon, as we still don't know for sure whether the Desmond ''flashback/dream'' sequence is completely true yet. It could be possible that what we are seeing in Desmonds dream sequence is not totally true on what happened in his past. For example, the microwave in the sequence made the hatch beep, which probably isn't truly part of his past. |
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| − | I really don't think that we should have that middle name. Please discuss. --[[User:Lewisg|lewisg]] 11:28, 19 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | :I believe the policy is to take flashback information at face value until it's directly contradicted either by another episode or by the producers. Even in cases where there is something unusual about the flashback such as Claire's drugged rememberance of her time in The Staff and Libby's appearance in Hurley's flashback. See PandoraX's comments in one of the other sections on this page. --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 11:37, 19 February 2007 (PST) |
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| − | In the trivia section, it states he's a vegetarian, but hasn't he been seen eating boar and fish, and his dad was a butcher! Unless we have a serious daddy issue to be revealed, would a butcher really let their son be a vegetarian? --{{User:Blue eagle islander/sig}} 21:57, 1 March 2007 (PST) |
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| − | :: parents don't ''let'' their children become vegetarian. they just ''are'' vegetarian, despite what friends and family say. also, i don't think we ever saw him eat meat. not sure at all. - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] april 27 2007 |
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| − | Maybe he became a vegetarian ''because'' his dad was a butcher.[[User:Spacebrat|Spacebrat]] 00:05, 1 April 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | :He is not a vegetarian, he ate the boar Sawyer helped Desmond catch in Left Behind, i removed the sentence from the trivia section.-{{User:Mr.Leaf/sig}} 17:23, 28 April 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | ::In the book "Signs of Life" he says he is vegetarian, and if i'm not mistaken, the spin-off novels are considered as canon.--[[User:Baker1000|Baker1000]] 16:26, 20 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | An argument often used by vegetarians is that they don't eat meat because they don't need it in their diet and their choice is an objection to the way animals are farmed. However if they where stranded on a desert island or something and needed to eat meat to survive, they would have less of a problem with that. I suggest that Charlie was a vegetarian, but given his situation he had to reconsider given the lack of tofu bushes.--{{User:TechNic/sig}} 16:38, 20 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | If you will look at the other characters’ pages, you will see there is one format that applies for all of them. Well, almost most of them. |
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| − | The user Quint decided to bring to Charlie and Boone’s page his own design – an initiative which is very welcome, especially here in Lostpedia. The thing is that it doesn’t match to the other pages. I tried to explain, but Quint decided to stay with his opinion. Since then, I rewrote the page and brought up a new design, but Quint reverted half of it back. Now, don’t get me wrong. I think that Quint’s contributions are very welcome and contribute to Lostpedia, but I also wanted to show my opinion. So, I would like you to decide which one of the following designs are better for Charlie’s page. We could also combine the two designs, and then everybody will be happy. :) |
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| − | 1) The page as it looks right now. <br> |
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| − | 2) [[User:Obi-Dan Kenobi/Charlie Pace|My design]] |
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| − | Yours, {{User:Obi-Dan Kenobi/sig}} 18:31, 5 March 2007 (PST) |
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| − | *Yeesh. You make it sound like I'm some vagrent or something. All I did was replaced all of the uninteresting pictures with more visually appealing ones. Its for the greater good. ~quint |
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| − | :I don't see the difference except there are too many images in the article. {{User:plkrtn/sig}} 04:35, 6 March 2007 (PST) |
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| − | : Nope, you're defiantly not a vagrant. :) The thing is, that you replaced the pictures I uploaded with pictures that have nothing to do with the content. For example, Charlie's picture with Jack and Hurley. It's in front of the paragraph about {{ep|1x07}}, and it isn't an important "event" in Charlie's history. I replaced it with an image that shows Charlie's decision to get rid of the drugs, but you still believe that the water crisis is more important. Also, regarding Desmond and Charlie's picture in the flashbacks section - you insist to use the long image, but it doesn't look good. All I did was replacing it with a picture with the same concept, which is shorter. Yet, you find the long one better. I try to compromise, but.. It doesn't seem like it's working. I know the content is what important and not the design, that's why I want to compromise instead of making it a big deal. Yours, {{User:Obi-Dan Kenobi/sig}} 09:33, 6 March 2007 (PST) |
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| − | Too many pictures and they do nothing to further illustrate the article. {{User:Princess_Dharma/sig}} |
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| − | Does anyone know of a Charlie-centric Flashback episode for Season 3? Some characters like Jack and Locke have already been granted two of their own centric episodes, but old Charlie has yet to be in the spotlight? Any head's up? or might it be a season-ending cliffhanger in which Desmond's premonitions come true and we must wait till next season to resolve? --[[User:Frenkmelk|Frenkmelk]] 10:35, 1 April 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | *See the spoilers page! :-) --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 13:33, 1 April 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | i could be wrong, but it seems that charlie is the only character with concrete plans for what he wants to do when he gets off the island. charlie insists that when he gets back to society, he wants to get driveshaft back together and record a new album. if charlie dies, this would imply that maybe the losties will never return to society? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] april 27 2007 |
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| − | updated since the season 3 finale, i am completely lost. i don't think anybody buys into the death sequence. did the writers seriously write a bad script full of holes or are they trying to toy with us? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] may 24 2007 |
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| − | Charlie stands from his seat up, and runs to the toilet. Next Moment - Plan Crashes. He is save. Would he live when he sat on his seat? If not then there begins his fate to die.--[[User:Ar-ras|Ar-ras]] 03:57, 4 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | Just a thought... One interpretation of the hieroglyphs Locke saw in the hatch is "She/Rises to the sky/in Flames//He/Dies." The first part, "She/Rises to the sky/in Flames/" is the female part of the sentence (it's on a red background) and the second part "He/Dies" is on black. This sounds similar to Desmond's prediction about Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter and Charlie dying in The Looking Glass. |
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| − | Personally I don't think he's going to die anyway, but I couldn't resist the similarities here... --[[User:Cleast|Cleast]] 09:09, 17 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | If the theory about him being blown up by a grenade is true, then this would prefectly match the situation. --{{User:Kitsune/sig}} |
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| − | I feel I few pics should be added from [[Greatest Hits]] as it's very possible Charlie may die in the finale, it will look quite odd seeing two different pictures of Charlie dying right next to each other. A few pictures in between should be added. |
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| − | Might be the wrong place to mention this, but Charlie could have exited the room and THEN closed the door. He could have run out the room with lots of time for Desmond and him to get the scuba suits on before the statio flooded. He could have swam to the surface (he was closer to the surface then than the at the moon pool). Is he even dead? He swam of camera. |
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| − | ::I think that Charlie shut himself in there to keep Desmond from going into that chamber to talk to Penny, risking Desmond's life in the process. Perhaps he also knew that his death was the only way to fulfill Desmond's prophecy of Claire and Aaron getting off the island? [[User:AmarilloLostFan|AmarilloLostFan]] 04:50, 24 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | ::I am convinced that Charlie might not be dead in a traditional sense of the word (anybody remember that comment?). My reasoning comes from three points. First, death an resurrection are reoccurring themes (Nikki, Palo, Christian, Mikhail). Second, Charlie could have easily saved himself rather than needlessly sacrificing himself. Third, Charlie has to get the band back together! [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] may 24 2007 17:39PT |
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| − | ::I COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! Charlie isn't dead, there's no way, I'm tired of the producers taking away characters that I like, Ana-Lucia, etc. [[User:Swimmerdude157|Swimmerdude157]] |
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| − | :::First, didn't Ana and Libby kill themselves off by getting a DUI in Hawaii and being unsure about being able to continue filming? Secondly although I hate the character of Charlie Pace, the death (if thats what it was) was pointless. The physics were totally off, as can be found in discussions for the episode, (I know some are calling this artistic license, but this show is under such scrutiny from the internet fan base, I can't believe they were that daft intentionally) in addition, there is no reason why Charlie or Desmond for that matter would assume Charlie would have to die for the flash to come true anyway. Think about it, Desmond had two flashes where Charlie simply died, he stopped them both, and nothing bad came of it. Then he has a flash of what he thinks is Penny coming to the Island and he wants to let Charlie die, but doesn't and the person in his flash still shows up. In this flash presumably, he sees Charlie die, and then he sees a helicopter. Now if Charlie were an intelligent person (which I doubt) he would say to himself, these flashes always show me die, but me not dying hasn't hurt anything. Also, this helicopter from Naomi's boat isn't what it seams and could be very bad; maybe I don't want this helicopter to come. --{{User:Suddud/sig}} 21:20, 29 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | His death is not really confirmed. I think we ought to wait until season four before we decide whether he *really* died. What if there's a pocket of air in the flooded room, he takes a deep breath and swims out of the porthole. Who knows? We didn't really see him dead did we? --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 13:31, 25 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | He didn't swim out. He just drowned--{{User:Phil/sig}} 13:38, 25 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | :Well, we did not see him actually drown (I think). If there's a pocket of air he can escape later through the porthole. I won't be convinced that he died until 1) The creators confirm it at some point like in an official podcast, or 2) He isn't playing any part in season 4. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 13:46, 25 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | ::After reading the TV Guide article about Charlie, I have to concede that he *really* died in the finale. I won't be making any more fuss about it :-) --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 13:53, 25 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | :I have not yet re-watched the episode, and I did not even hear about the TV Guide article (you can believe I'm looking for it online after I finish typing this!), but I agree, we have not yet seen "Charlie's Dead Body" and subsequent funeral, all we've seen is his body go limp after the room flooded. Desmond would have plenty of time to swim out through the moon pool and around to the blown-out window, drag Charlie back around, and resuscitate him. And what about Mikhail? With the way that loyalties were being tested in the last few minutes in the Looking Glass, and Ben's admission to Mikhail that he had been lying, could Mikhail have blown out the porthole INTENDING to drag Charlie out and force them into being allies? ALSO, there's very nearly a paradox at work here. What if Charlie HAD died during one of Desomond's earlier predictions, like an arrow to the throat or a bolt of lightning? Then he would not have been able to drown flicking the blinking yellow switch, and none of what Desmond later envisioned would have come to pass. I'm sure I'm reaching, I just don't want to let go of Charlie. He's one of my favorite characters, and he and Claire are my 2nd favorite couple, after Rose and Bernard (and right before Sun and Jin). And I do also have to agree that at this point it does sound like the producers are confirming that the character is dead. C'mon, people, let's pull a Bjo Trimble on the producers and start a fan movement to save Charlie![[User:Sithboy|Sithboy]] 22:02, 2 June 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | Why is the room Charlie's in when he's giving his final message not flooded? And when did that picture of him with his head sticking out of the water happen? --[[User:Magnet|Magnet]] 23:20, 30 May 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | :Didn't it say when Eko saw the smoke monster. If this is the case Charlie was there he was up in hte tree when Eko first saw the smoke monster. He and Charlie were going to the drug plane back in season 2. --[[User:Kat17|kat]] 05:46, 23 June 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | ::Ah, you're right, Charlie was there in Season 2. My bad. [[User:Wstonefi|Wstonefi]] 07:57, 28 June 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | I am watching "White Rabbit" and in it Charlie said "I don't swim" to Jack while there is a woman drowning in the ocean. Wouldn't Jack remember that when Charlie voluntaries to swim to the "Looking Glass?" There an Alice in Wonderland connection for ya. --[[User:BenMo|BenMo]] 19:31, 22 June 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | I don't think Charlie is dead. There has been evidence discussed that proves the room couldn't have completely filled up. Plus, what a terrible way to kill him. He didn't really need to die. He could have just ran out of the room and closed the door behind him. I think the writers are trying to pull one over on all of us and really shock in the season 4 premiere. Ok, maybe this is just wishful thinking. What do you think? |
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| − | Charlie is SO dead. (Much to my dismay :( ) --{{User:lewisg/sig}} 12:52, 6 September 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | :Guys, he's dead, get over it. He officially left the show, is working on other things. Literally he had a going away party, he talked about it in numerous interviews how he will miss the show. He was seriously pissed at the writers and was incredibly sad he had to leave. They would not put him through just to make a great surprise. Besides the writers have officially confirmed he is dead. It is just wishful thinking.-{{User:Mr.Leaf/sig}} 13:42, 6 September 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | NO NO NO!!!! You got it all wrong! Charlie is alive, and it is so obvious that it is true! Check out my FACTS on him on my userpage. --[[User:1LostFan|1LostFan]] 18:37, 7 November 2007 (PST) |
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| − | I don't think the point that Charlie could have ran out of the room and locked the door is valid. Yes he could have. But that would have changed Desmond's flashes and Claire and Aaron wouldn't get saved. In Charlie's mind, he HAD to drown in order for Claire and Aaron to get saved. It isn't a a matter of whether or not he could have survived, it's a matter of sacrifice. Even if the water level wouldn't have filled the room, I think Charlie would have made sure he drowned, in order to fulfill Desmond's predictions and secure rescue. --{{User:Gluphokquen gunih/sig}} 02:59, 31 December 2007 (PST) |
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| − | Charlie's middle name [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus Hieronymus] is actually Greek and not Latin. It does means "sacred name". Jerome is the Latin version of the Greek Hieronymus. |
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| − | Is his full first name Charles, or is it just Charlie?--{{User:Phil/sig}} 17:31, 25 August 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | I've began to hear rumors that they might brink Charlie back... to life. This would be kindda cool because I liked him as a character, however this might seem unfair. As we have seem Mikhail came back from the dead 3 times, therefor I would think that if they were to bring one of the two back it would be more likely to bring Mikhail back rather than Charlie. However this would be unfair to Dominic Monaghan's character becuse he's been on the show longer than Andrew Divoff. Therefor my argument points out that bothof their characters should either die together or live together. |
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Physical Return
This subsection dealing with Charlie appearing to Hurley belong in Post-Death not the afterlife--Thelamppost 21:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
Point of Charlie's sacrifice?
I don't see the point of Charlie shutting off the chamber and sacrificing himself. If he had left the door open, it would have taken so much time for the entire station to flood that Desmond and Charlie would have easily escaped. What purpose was served by his death?--Six Strings 15:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- It is pretty much agreed that Charlie completely believed in Desmond's vision that when he died, Claire would be rescued. He sacrificed himself even though he didn't need to, to ensure rescue. He also probably accepted his fate, since death kept coming for him, so in this scenario there would be something positive from his death. --Robbie 19:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- I still think it is pretty weak. --Porcher 07:12, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Original timeline
In the article it's stated that one day Desmond saw him ("Flashes Before Your Eyes"), and that another day he was playing in the street and after that he saved Nadia ("Greatest Hits"). But, in both times, he was playing "Wonderwall" when it started to rain. What if what we see in "Greatest Hits" was the Original Timeline, before it was changed by Desmond because of his mind trip? I think at least a reference to this should be added. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 19:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- There wasn't a change; otherwise, after the flashes, Charlie would remember and recognise Desmond. --CooperSimply 22:48, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
FRINGE!!!
it says that he will be a character in season 6. Fringe talks about the alternate universe. In this universe the Twin Towers are still up and 911 attack was in the White House. So in this world either the plane landed or he lives and doesn't die when visiting the looking glass. A wierd theory for Fringe is that to cross paths you MUST die in one world to enter the other! this could be why desmond told him that he MUST die so that other charlie could travel the worlds. The charlie that visited hurley said im dead but i am here. This could be hinting about fringe's universe theory. He dissappeared probably because his "time" ran out and was forced to leave that world and go to his proper one. (Metroid101 02:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC))
To many pictures
There are to many pictures here. Also Charlie Pace's main picture has been changed without discussion.--Station7 15:58, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- I changed it back, and cleaned up the images a little. Someone got a little carried away. We could do with some better versions of the screencaps added because some of them are a bit misshapen--Baker1000 16:29, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Flash sideways, appearances order
People keep putting the appearances before the flash sideways. Yes, that's chronological order. But we don't obey chronological order in character pages. We follow their actions from their point of view. For instance, Sawyer's page doesn't list his time with Dharma before his relationship with Cassidy, even though the former happened first. Similarly, we should list the flash sideways before his return to earth. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 22:04, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- But how do we even know that he has "returned"? For all we know, he could have been stuck in that world until he convinced Hurley to return, and then he was able to start his afterlife. By all means place it after the flash-sideways, but the opening line says he returned to the real world to visit Hurley, which we can't be 100% sure of since it's never stated in the show.--Baker1000 23:03, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Returned is a bad word because it implies people go somewhere when they move on. But I don't see Charlie creating his flash sideways after meeting Hurley. Everywhere else on the encyclopedia, we imagine people making their flash sideways as soon as they die and using it to come to terms with death. Ghost Charlie has already come to terms with his death. He exists in some place/realm in which he can communicate with other dead like Christian. I can't resolve him existing in this Higher Plane of Existence with then having to make a flash sideways to convince himself that he died. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
On another note, I've noticed some people changing Flash Sideways to Afterlife. I am under the impression, we are using the creators terminology Flash Sideways unless there is specific clarification from Cuse/Lindelof, perhaps in the LOST Encyclopedia that is coming out soon. I got this impression from Plkrtn's comments on the Flash Sideways World talk page. Is this correct? --Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 20:06, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
- IMHO, ifv you see az change to "Afterlife," change it back.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, though we casually drop "afterlife" into the bodies of articles, we do not list it as a heading. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)