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Physical Return

This subsection dealing with Charlie appearing to Hurley belong in Post-Death not the afterlife--Thelamppost 21:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Point of Charlie's sacrifice?

I don't see the point of Charlie shutting off the chamber and sacrificing himself. If he had left the door open, it would have taken so much time for the entire station to flood that Desmond and Charlie would have easily escaped. What purpose was served by his death?--Six Strings 15:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

  • It is pretty much agreed that Charlie completely believed in Desmond's vision that when he died, Claire would be rescued. He sacrificed himself even though he didn't need to, to ensure rescue. He also probably accepted his fate, since death kept coming for him, so in this scenario there would be something positive from his death. --Robbie 19:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
    • I still think it is pretty weak. --Porcher 07:12, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Original timeline

In the article it's stated that one day Desmond saw him ("Flashes Before Your Eyes"), and that another day he was playing in the street and after that he saved Nadia ("Greatest Hits"). But, in both times, he was playing "Wonderwall" when it started to rain. What if what we see in "Greatest Hits" was the Original Timeline, before it was changed by Desmond because of his mind trip? I think at least a reference to this should be added. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 19:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

  • There wasn't a change; otherwise, after the flashes, Charlie would remember and recognise Desmond. --CooperSimply 22:48, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


it says that he will be a character in season 6. Fringe talks about the alternate universe. In this universe the Twin Towers are still up and 911 attack was in the White House. So in this world either the plane landed or he lives and doesn't die when visiting the looking glass. A wierd theory for Fringe is that to cross paths you MUST die in one world to enter the other! this could be why desmond told him that he MUST die so that other charlie could travel the worlds. The charlie that visited hurley said im dead but i am here. This could be hinting about fringe's universe theory. He dissappeared probably because his "time" ran out and was forced to leave that world and go to his proper one. (Metroid101 02:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC))

To many pictures

There are to many pictures here. Also Charlie Pace's main picture has been changed without discussion.--Station7 15:58, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

I changed it back, and cleaned up the images a little. Someone got a little carried away. We could do with some better versions of the screencaps added because some of them are a bit misshapen--Baker1000 16:29, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Flash sideways, appearances order

People keep putting the appearances before the flash sideways. Yes, that's chronological order. But we don't obey chronological order in character pages. We follow their actions from their point of view. For instance, Sawyer's page doesn't list his time with Dharma before his relationship with Cassidy, even though the former happened first. Similarly, we should list the flash sideways before his return to earth. --- Balk Of Fametalk 22:04, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

But how do we even know that he has "returned"? For all we know, he could have been stuck in that world until he convinced Hurley to return, and then he was able to start his afterlife. By all means place it after the flash-sideways, but the opening line says he returned to the real world to visit Hurley, which we can't be 100% sure of since it's never stated in the show.--Baker1000 23:03, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
Returned is a bad word because it implies people go somewhere when they move on. But I don't see Charlie creating his flash sideways after meeting Hurley. Everywhere else on the encyclopedia, we imagine people making their flash sideways as soon as they die and using it to come to terms with death. Ghost Charlie has already come to terms with his death. He exists in some place/realm in which he can communicate with other dead like Christian. I can't resolve him existing in this Higher Plane of Existence with then having to make a flash sideways to convince himself that he died. --- Balk Of Fametalk 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

On another note, I've noticed some people changing Flash Sideways to Afterlife. I am under the impression, we are using the creators terminology Flash Sideways unless there is specific clarification from Cuse/Lindelof, perhaps in the LOST Encyclopedia that is coming out soon. I got this impression from Plkrtn's comments on the Flash Sideways World talk page. Is this correct? --Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 20:06, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • IMHO, ifv you see az change to "Afterlife," change it back.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes, though we casually drop "afterlife" into the bodies of articles, we do not list it as a heading. --- Balk Of Fametalk 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)