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So I'm thinking Jack's had more than his fair share of screen time. I'd like to see some more Eko or Boone or Michael, if possible. =)

~ Dissonance=

Should it still be called Flashback tally, as it involves Flashfowards as well? I know flashfowards are credited at the bottom, but i Think the title should be changed.

Should Some Be Split Up?[]

I question putting all the Jin/Sun, Michael/Walt and Boone/Shannon flashes together although I admit it makes tallying easier. Not going to change anything for the moment, just want to see if anyone agrees with me

Boone/Shannon: "Hearts and Minds" is clearly told from his perspective, while "Abandoned" is clearly told from hers.

Jin/Sun: "House of the Rising Sun" and "The Whole Truth" are from her perspective, while "...In Translation" is told from his. Only "...And Found" can be considered a true dual perspective episode.

Michael/Walt: "Special" has a scene told from Walt's perspective but "Adrift" is clearly told from Micheal's perspective only.--Tricksterson 07:15, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

  • I agree, they should be split. It'd be more accurate. I'll do it, and if people don't like it it'll be easy enough to revert back, I won't be offended.--Piscez 10:47, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
    • Maybe in this case it would be better to have both names, but put in ALL CAPS the name of the character whose perspective is represented (i.e. "Jin/SUN") -- so we know it's a flashback featuring both characters, but we know whose point of view it is. --Amberjet11 10:50, 19 May 2006 (PDT)

crossovers[]

it would be nice if was a small addition covering crossovers for each flashback - along the lines of 'Hurley can be seen in the backgound, on television in ...In Translation' - it would only take one line per flashback. it would require a little bit of legwork to collate though, unless there's already a page (as opposed to a picture) which covers this information. --kaini. 21:19, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Live Together, Die Alone[]

Should it be considered a Locke centric episode? -- Esragiv

I just loss faith in the human race.--CaptainInsano 16:16, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
lol... --SilvaStorm

Man of Science, Man of Faith[]

Should Desmond also get credit for being in this flashback? --Mr. Crabby 15:19, 4 January 2007 (PST)

My bad, I didn't see that at the bottom --Mr. Crabby 15:22, 4 January 2007 (PST)

Libby[]

Why does she get ? and Live Together, Die Alone as her flashbacks. I can understand Dave because one flashback was from her perspective, but the other ones are from Eko's and Desmond's perspective --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:16, 30 January 2007 (PST)

As Cindy, Libby and Juliet haven't had centric episodes yet we credid their none centric episodes instead. A bit like a consolation prize. Princess Dharma (banned)

  • Should Libby be put on the list for a flashback, I think just for Dave. I mean Boone is there for Shannons ep and well he died, and Juliet is listed there for her one flashback for A Tale Of Two Cities. I think its fair Libby be there just for Dave, after-all it was from her POV. I dont mind if its a no, but then Juliet shouldn't be listed there for A Tale Of Two Cities.

Revision[]

Why does Desmond get credit for being in Man of Sceince man of Faith yet Jack gets no credit for being in Live Together Die Alone or Abandoned? --Princess Dharma (banned) 11:32, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Centric or Not?[]

I think it is time to stop crediting chracters with just appearing in flashbacks as some people are not being considered. Why consider Walt appearing in Michael's flashbacks if Libby is not in Hurleys or Shannon in Jacks? Princess Dharma (banned)

Agreed. Imo the tally should be on Centric Characters only. Having Juliet Listed for Tale Of Two Cities and Not Having Karl listed for Greatest Hits is a good example. I think that it should be changed. ~JF~

Hurley is now given a flashback-tally for "The Beginning of the End" which clearly isn't true. A seperate chart should be started for flashforwards, or the centric-argument must be taken over. Also, the mobisodes aren't taken into account and Kate hasn't a secondary mentioning for "Through the Looking Glass, Part 2" --Hunter61 02:31, 2 February 2008 (PST)

Propose rename[]

I think at this point, we should consider renaming this article to "Flashback/Flash-forward tally," as it already lists both and there's no point in having two seperate articles. Thoughts? --Jeff 13:23, 4 March 2008 (PST)

  • Agree to a SPLIT. Not just a rename, but 3 separate pages: Flashforwards, Flashbacks, and some kind of "-cetric" page.--moss ryder 13:57, 6 March 2008 (PST)

Proposed tally by episodes[]

Hi, I designed a box to tally the flashbacks/forward by episode. I didn't want to add it to the page if the majority didn't like it, but I figured, since we have a tally by person, why not by episode as well. Feedback appreciated. --Jeff 14:16, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Season 1 Season 2 Season3 Season 4 Season 5
The Crash
(Jack) 		Jack Jack Hurley Various
The Crash
(Charlie and Kate) 		Michael Sun\Jin The Freighter
crew 		Hurley
Kate Locke Locke Sayid Desmond
Locke Hurley Sawyer Kate Kate
Jack Sun\Jin Mr. Eko Desmond Sun\Jin
Sun Shannon Kate Juliet Jack
Charlie Tail-section
survivors 		Juliet Sun\Jin Locke
Sawyer Ana Lucia Desmond Michael Sawyer
Sayid Kate Jack Ben None
Claire Mr. Eko Hurley Jack Sayid
Jack Jack Sayid Locke Kate
Kate Charlie Claire Oceanic 6 Ben
Boone Sawyer Locke Oceanic 6 Miles
Michael
& Walt 		Sayid Nikki
& Paulo 		n/a Faraday
Charlie Claire Kate n/a Alpert
Sawyer Sun Juliet n/a Jacob
Jin Locke Desmond n/a n/a
Hurley Hurley Sun n/a n/a
Locke Rose &
Bernard 		Locke n/a n/a
Jack Ana Lucia Ben n/a n/a
Sayid Mr. Eko Charlie n/a n/a
Kate Michael Jack n/a n/a
The day of
the flight 		Desmond n/a n/a n/a
The day of
the flight 		n/a n/a n/a n/a

I really like your chart, I just don't like how it reads Freighter crew, instead of the specific 5 that got flashbacks. It seems too similar to the Tail section episode, in which no person got specific flashbacks. They should look different. --Alexisfan07, 25 March 2008

  • I added some new links, and extended the season 4 list. --Orhan94 08:34, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

Anyone like this idea?[]

We could tally the POV flashbacks! Like: Walt - 3, Libby - 1, Jack - uncountable in my head, lol. That way, Sun will get more than Jin, as she should since she's had more "centric" episodes, etc. I like this much better than any other way we've been doing it and it's more clear cut. I think The Other 48 Days will have to be left out, as it's not clear at all who's having those, and is just a story presented in an order, like the Karl/Alex/Others flashback in season 3. They're not whooshing off of any specific person. I'm also not sure Juliet's should be counted during A Tale of Two Cities, but that one is definitely debatable. Does anyone like this idea? --Alexisfan07, 25 March 2008

  • I agree tally to include only flashbacks with the whoosh sound, Libby/Walt should indeed be included for Special and Dave. Juliet for A tale of two cities, It wasn't from her POV, so no. Sun/Jin being grouped together, well thats debatable.

RENAME[]

Rename to centric tally. Flashforwards are no longer an occasional thing --Anfield Fox 02:01, 5 June 2008 (PDT)

Agree, but tbh I don't even see why we need this page at all. --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:57, 18 August 2008 (PDT)
Then we need a discussion, on either should we :
1. Merge it with Flashbacks and Flashforwards,
2. Rename it to Centric tally or Flash tally,
3. Delete it
  • I vote for Merge, even though I nominated it for renaming in the first place.

--Orhan94 07:43, 18 August 2008 (PDT)

I think that centric tally would suffice if not merged. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:07, 2 November 2008 (PST)
no merge. Is this still an issue? -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  12:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

For Libby[]

Dave was not really her centric episode. So she was in a flashback for a split second, she was also in Live together Die alone. So I was thinking either we take her off or add on live together die alone.--Shaman 13:31, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

  • Dave had her own POV, "Live Together, Die Alone, Part 1" was pure Desmond centric, becuase she only appeared there. Her appearance in Dave was in har flashback.--Orhan94 23:03, 13 August 2008 (PDT)
    • What about Juliet then, in TALE OF TWO CITIES? She wasnt just appearing, it was her flashback Four4elements 17:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Uh, if she had a flashback in a episode it's inherently Libby centric. Any episode featuring a flashback from a character is their centric. It is inaccurate to say Dave is not Libby & Hurley centric...--Golden Monkey 14:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
  • True but regardless, it was still a flashback from her POV with the flash sound, I mean Walt had one flashback from his POV in Special and people regard that as Michael/Walt centric. So I'd still leave Libby for Dave, she got the flash sound, and its still from her POV. Buffyfan123 03:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Jacob/Richard[]

Why are we counting "The Incident, Part 2" and "Follow the Leader" for them, respectively? Isn't this about flashes specifically and not about centricity. Doesn't this also mean that we should count "Hearts and Minds" as Boone/Shannon flash/centric? There's no way to determine this well, so can't we just go with the flashes count? Alexisfan07 13 June 2009

Alex and Karl[]

Okay, I'm trying to understand why Alex and Karl's flashback in "Greatest Hits" wouldn't count as a centric tally. Because it was clearly stated as a Flashback in the "Greatest Hits" article. It even had the screen go to black and say something like "3 Hours Earlier". So why are we not counting it as one on here? It's contradicting! It makes no sense!

Libby for "Dave", Juliet for "A Tale of Two Cities", Karl for "Greatest Hits", Pierre for "Because You Left"[]

If we have "Dave" listed as Libby-centric, shouldn't we also list "A Tale of Two Cities" as a Juliet-centric, "Greatest Hits" as a Karl-centric and "Because You Left" as a Pierre-centric episodes. They all had flashbacks in these episodes even though they weren't the centric characters. --Orhan94 22:14, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Orhan. But don't we forget some other characters, maybe?--Station7 22:16, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • Well Libby and Karl clearly had a POV, but Juliet and Pierre didn't have the wosh nose. Buffyfan123 12:49, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

But a whose nose isn't always important in a flashback from someone's POV. I'm with Orhan94.--Station7 14:49, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well Karl's Flashback would also be Alex's Flashback too, because she had a point of view as well before Karl ever appeared. We could also argue that Emily Locke had her own flashback in "Cabin Fever" because the first flashback was with her before John Locke was even born. --falldownboy91 12:30, March 20, 2010

It's freaky, but it's right about Emily Locke in Cabin Fever.--Station7 12:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

So do we all agree?


Libby - "Dave"

Juliet - "A Tale of Two Cities"

Karl & Alex - "Greatest Hits"

Emily Locke - "Cabin Fever"

Pierre - "Because You Left"


--falldownboy91 12:39, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. Or haven't we forget someone?--Station7 12:43, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

  • Nope thats everyone to some some sort of POV/flashback. But Frank at the start of the lie, definetely not, since he only featured in Hurley's flashback, dispite it opening with him right?Buffyfan123 12:53, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

So:


What about Desmond in the season 2 opening?--Station7 12:57, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

No, Desmonds wasn't a flashback. In season 3 with Juliet, it was a flashback to when 815 crashed. With Desmond, his scene began right where season 1 ended. So it's the normal timeline. No Desmond centric there. - falldownboy91

  • I'd say Lapidus had a flashback in "Namaste" rather than in "The Lie". --Orhan94 17:54, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

So what is it going to be guys?--Station7 18:20, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

NO this has been discussed This whole thing was started because a user incorrectly added dave as libby centric. Centric is when the episodes focus on a character which none of the above examples acheive. here are the discussion where it was decided these are simply fbs not centrics [[1]][[2]]-- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  18:24, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I ask it too all those guys who discussed here! I wanna hear everybody 's meaning.--Station7 18:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, I'm trying to understand why you don't agree with having those things on there! Did you read the line at the very top of the article????

This article lists and tallies all of the flashbacks, flashforwards and flashsideways on Lost.

Please tell me if I'm wrong, but are not ALL of those scenes either flashbacks???? Then why aren't they on that page???? Your theory on being centric only DOESNT work! Because this is for ALL flashbacks, not just ones that take over the majority of an episode! If it were like that, then Ilana wouldn't have any centric episodes, would she? You're wrong, Czygan84. Deal with it.--User:Falldownboy91/Falldownboy91 24:25, March 25, 2010

  • I agree with the Illana one, as she had an opening flashbacks, so why doesn't Libby who had a ending episode flashback count. Makes no sense. Buffyfan123 13:20, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
* I agree that these parts should be added.

All of these character had specific flashbacks from their point of view (Aside from Daniel Faraday, who technically had a flash forward to the past). Therefore, they should be added to this portal.

Johnlanigan 12:18, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Centric Total[]

What does the Centric Total mean?--Makarov29 02:56, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

It means no flashback/forward/sideways but the character was the main focus of the episode. Basically the episodes off-Island at the start of Season 5, which weren't flash-fowards for the characters, and "Follow the Leader" for Richard. "Across the Sea" for Jacob because it wasn't technically a flashback episode even though it's set in the past, because it didn't flashback to any "present time" scenes.--Baker1000 12:17, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, that's a terrible name. You'd that would mean a tally of all the character's centrics, right? What should we change that to? "Other centrics"? --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 13:41, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
What about Character Centrics :) --Station7 13:46, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
I'll admit when I saw this I almost replied "the total of centrics a character has had..." then I had to check to make sure it actually was that before I made a fool of myself! So yes it is rather confusing, "other centrics" seems a better choice if you ask me.--Baker1000 20:13, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
Other centrics sounds like they are centrics from the Others while they are not. Character centrics sounds better, because it about the characters. Simple as that is. --Station7 21:45, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think so. I think people would just assume it didn't mean the Others, because why would we list their centrics and not the other character groups? If not "Other centrics" then perhaps "Non-flash centrics". Centric episodes which have no flashes.--Baker1000 23:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, "non-flash centrics". Not to be confused with "non-centric flashes". --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 00:10, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Richard[]

Um, what flash did Richard have in 'Follow the Leader'? :| However he did have a flash in 'Cabin Fever' and 'The Brig' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Villain fan (talk • contribs) .

No flashes, but we call "Follow the Leader" a Richard-centric. He appears in both the episode's timelines, and his face transitions us from one to the other. So the table gives him "1" under non-flash centrics. Meanwhile, though he appears in flashes in "Cabin Fever" and "The Brig", those aren't his flashes, and they're both Locke-centric episodes. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 21:51, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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