Talk:Body count

Libby Dead?

Libby died, Jack says so...

You should count the other doctors in the hatch, and the others holding torches around the circle.

Is Janelle really gone? The diary ends, but I cant recall her going missing...

And if she is gone, then Arzt is gone before her, since the hatch was blown after Arzt died. --aurora glacialis 09:42, 25 March 2006 (PST)

If the article title is 'Body Count', shouldn't the numbers be getting bigger as more and more people die? Now it seems to list the number of people alive, a number that's getting smaller. --skks 09:52, 25 March 2006 (PST)

Should there be a list of those who died before the crash like Adam Ritherford or Frank Duckett?--Tricksterson 10:12, 28 March 2006 (PST)

At known non-surviving it says 13, but this count can always change, we dont exactly know how many others there are. --TuX 14:25, 3 April 2006

At middle section survivors, how about michael and walt, walt was taken by the others and michael is gone away for a search, we didnt see them anymore --TuX 14:25, 3 April 2006

Is Libby really dead or is this speculation. We know from previews it is said Ana Lucia is dead, but Libby is not confirmed yet and should have an * by her name in Body Count whether she was actually killed or not.

Well Libby is dead now .. this page should be updated --User:Dyre

• We didn't get confirmation that Libby actually dies did we? The preview for next week confirmed Ana Lucia's death, but not Libby's. --Stew Erickson 05:46, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

• Libby died in the episode "?". Please update the body count. -- Chatake 09:15, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

• as she is now under 6 foot of sand it may now be a pertinent time to declare her dead - (Mikey 18:20, 18 May 2006 (PDT))

Flashback characters

I'm not doing that, cause there's a lot of characters in the flashback that might or might not count.

And we are counting the number of alive bodies on the island, not the dead ones! --Novajoe23 08:21, 29 March 2006 (PST)

Alive bodies sounds like a bad oxymoron, or maybe a zombie flic. 'Body count' as a term relates to the number of casualties. But I don't mind/care really, just pointing out that the article name is misleading. --skks 11:18, 29 March 2006 (PST)

Clarification?

Should there be a brief note at the top of the article saying something along the lines of "counting down from earliest known number to latest known number"? It took me a moment to figure out this was a count-down and not a list adding things up, and I consider myself one smart cookie. Ok thx bie :P~~ --Jre 03:55, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

Well same here, the article title says 'Body Count' when the article lists people that are alive instead of the (dead) bodies. --skks 05:14, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

I suggest renaming/redirect to "Survivor Count", as well as a brief explanation at the top on what follows. Any thoughts? --Jre 05:23, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure this is correct, but in the Tail section might be a mistake. If the original number is 23, Goodwin is included (so it says). If not, as the * suggests, he should not be discounted from the original number.

Sorry if I'm wrong. BACrows Argentina

If you look closer, the list starts at 22, then goes down to 5 right before Goodwin's death. When Goodwin dies, the count is still at 5. It does not remove from the previous count. --Charugan 13:53, 21 April 2006 (PDT)

Walt

Why is Walt subtracted from the middle section count but not added to the others count?

Better question, why is Walt counted dead at all? He is still alive.--CaptainInsano

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Now that we've seen the Others' "camp"

Should we stop counting non-survivors, since there's no good way to quantify how many there are now? --Cajuncook 14:43, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

2 Others revelated in 2x23

Please insert 2 Others in body count. They was following Jack, Michael, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley in episode 2x23. 1 was killed by Sawyer and the other run away.

The correct is:

Known Non-Survivors On Island

• 18 - Original known non-survivors*
• 16 - Ethan Rom killed by Charlie
• 15 - Two of the Others killed by Mr. Eko
• 14 - Female Other killed by Ana-Lucia
• 13 - Goodwin killed by Ana-Lucia
• 12 - Man Other killed by Sawyer in 2x23

An idea: numerate known non-survivors

• - Known non-survivors:

"Him"(1), Ethan Rom(2), Danielle Rousseau(3), Alexandra Rousseau(4), Zeke(5), Woman in Others' boat(6), Twin #1 and Twin #2 in Others' boat(7-8), Desmond(9), 2 Others killed by Eko(10-11), Female Other killed by Ana-Lucia(12), Goodwin(13), "Henry Gale"(14), Pickett(15), Ms. Klugh(16), Two Others following castaways in 2x23(17-18)

More one idea: Create a subdivision to include known pre-crash dead people on the island. Example: Adam and Eve, Kelvin Inman, Rousseau's expedition members, etc

--Dusuarez 00:27, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Tailies

Question: The tailies article says four people died, but the body count says that three have died. At any rate, I did the math myself, and came up with a different final total of people. Maybe someone could help me out? It's over in Talk:tailies --Jujo 11:04, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

Tried actually counting with my fingers, and everything's okay now. IF four people died, instead of three.--Jujo 11:08, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure of the body count for the tailies : we can see seven more persons buried on the beach in 2x07 when Donald is the 8th to be buried. -- Alex 13:28, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

Michael?

Didn't Michael leave the island? Every interview about that seems to say that he's off the show now. Just a thought Tebor 21:30, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

What was happen with co-pilot?

He is live? dead? --dusuarez 15:11, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

The co-pilot's body falls out of the cockit when Jack breaks the lock on the door. He rolls down the front of the plane and scares Jack, Kate, and Charlie. So yeah, he's dead.

--Chris 15:16, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Why this information don´t appear in Body Count article?

--dusuarez 15:25, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

The Body Count article only covers survivors of the crash. The co-pilot was already dead, as far as we can tell.

--Chris 15:27, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Why Body Count article don´t covers all bodies in the plane and in the island? The Others, Desmond, etc don't are survivors on the crash. Somebody aparently deceased can return.

--dusuarez 15:37, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Desmond, The Others etc are all in the Non-Survivors section. As far as we know, only one person survived in the front end of the plane, the Pilot.

--Chris 15:44, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Using the logic, the co-pilot body is in the island. Dead, of course, but is in the island. Jack's dad, Adan and Eve bodies is in the island too. In my point of view, we can count this bodies. What you think?

--dusuarez 21:21, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

In short, this article would be way too long if it listed every single person that died on Flight 815. Instead, it covers the people that survived the initial crash and later died. Also, when we say "survivors" we mean the survivors of Flight 815. Desmond and the Others can't be considered survivors because they were never on the plane. --Fezir 21:58, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

Ok, I was thinked in this page like a obituary session. --dusuarez 13:11, 29 August 2006 (PDT)

Radzinsky

Does Radzinsky not count as a Known Non-Survivor On Island? --elpaw 13:57, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

Until we know for sure that he is a real person no he does not.--CaptainInsano 14:14, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

As like Science expedition survivors. We dont't have sure that they are real.--dusuarez 18:35, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I can see both sides of this and sort of agree with Cap. However, someone edited this Radz in for the millionth time, so I'll just leave it in with a note about the doubt; we'll see what others think about this. I personally could go either way on it. Danielle doesn't have as much reason to lie about the science team as Kelvin, a known liar might. You could compare this to the situation with Libby telling us she is a psychologist; we are never sure of any of the flashback character's professions when they just say they are one thing, but Libby's credibility is shot, thus the doubt. --PandoraX 14:34, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Nevermind, looks like we got a pretty definitive answer. The Fuselage

Shouldn't Goodwin be included?

• Ethan is included in the Fuselage's survivor count; why shouldn't Goodwin be included and then inserted as a demotion in numebr for the tail section survivors between Nathan being killed and Cindy being taken? It doesn't make sense to me because at first we assume, like we did Ethan, that he was an original survivor of Flight 815. --David 21:03, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

• Thanks guys- issued solved. David 11:05, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

Missing Persons

I think that there should be a missing persons section...maybe as a mystery of the island, that included those taken from the tail section, Kelvin (until he is proven dead), maybe even Walt and Michael, (although the rumor is that they will be returning to the island). Obviously people who have actually been burried would not fall into this catagory.--ASEO 08:58, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

Merge with Life and death ?

• Yes - I think this should be merged into Life and death.--Dagg 08:47, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• Merge: I wouldn't burst out into a fit of anger if it stays though.--CaptainInsano 15:06, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• Don't merge: The articles are different. Life and death is about a recurring theme. Body count is a control list of all people in the island. Life and death don't list live people, just fatalities.--dusuarez 20:22, 12 November 2006 (PST)
  • Not to be nitpicky, but this seems backwards. A body count typically only lists the dead people (e.g., http://www.iraqbodycount.org/). --Dagg 22:13, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• Don't merge. Separate articles with different types of subject matter. This is a countdown, the other is an introspective look at it. --Aero*Zeppelin 18:28, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• Don't merge but REWRITE Life and Death. Life and death is supposed to be a recurring theme in the series so it would better a normal article explaining this about Life and Death in the series and give some examples and probably a link here. A body count is supposed to be a list. So it's better to put a "rewrite" tag to Life and Death. -- 19:25, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• I went ahead and removed the Merge tag, and added cross-references within the pages.--Dagg 22:37, 6 November 2006 (PST)

• Dagg is right! The content of Body Count really have be only a list of dead people. But the actual content can be organized in a new article (maybe a Population Count or a Census) listing the population in the island (dead and alive).--dusuarez 20:22, 12 November 2006 (PST)

• On the title of this article, I believe the only reason that it was named "Body Count" was because it was stolen verbatum, chart coding and all, off of lost.cubit.net. I complained about this, and someone took off the coding so that it wasn't completely plagerized, and since then it has evolved independently on Lostpedia, so I was glad to see that. I agree it is a different topic from Life & Death and should remain separate, though possibly with a rewrite to that article so that it is more organized and looks into the theme on a deeper level rather than just count everything as this one does. A census, on the other hand, is a slice in time, and I don't think we need that necessarily, since we have articles such as Characters already. The body count is sort of like a census without names, and tracking it through time rather than at one point in time,so I think this article is needed as it is now. --PandoraX 20:28, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Others in Hydra

What about the two additional Others in the surgery room? Should we also add them? -- Magioladitis 12:34, 10 November 2006 (PST)

Season 2 Finale Resolved

Should we still subtract Jack, Kate and Sawyer from the Body Count. I was thinking one only is subtracted if that person A) Dies (e.g. Boone), or B) leaves the island (e.g. Michael). - Comedy240 11:01, 14 March 2007 (PST)

New title?

I propose we move this page from "body count" to "Island population and vital statistics" or something similar. Jengod 01:05, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Vincent?

Is Vincent included in the body count? An edit the other day had me thinking (it said 'Vincent has to count for something!'). >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 15:09, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Why would he be included anyway, he is still alive. If he died, yes I'd say count him.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:14, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Tailie Count Blooper

Should it be listed on the blooper page that the tailie count is wrong, missing the still surviving Rose and Bernard? Or is this accounted for somewhere that I am missing?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:28, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

It has Bernard accounted for, he is the one beside Eko's death. Rose was a fuselage survivor, so she shouldn't be on the tail section list.--CaptainInsano 15:30, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Oh god of course she was a survivor from the first camp. I can't believe that slipped my mind. Old Age FTL.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:32, 31 March 2007 (PDT)