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## The Shark is/isn't Canon

"The Neptune Station could be an underwater station. This could be where the power line that Sayid found in the first season leads to as well as where the shark with the dharma logo came from. " Insiderscoop (from the abc forum) said there is no underwater hatch , and another spoiler said , there is no logo on the shark! from The_Logos#The_Shark

It has been reported, that in reruns of the show, this logo was removed from the shark in the according episode, possibly it had no significance for the show. It could be that it was just a practical joke of the film team or that it was done wrong, which would account for the difference to the logo on the canteen.

The producers have said the effects team put it there without the producers approval, causing it to be removed from future airings. This coincides with the different appearance of the logos in this section. Maybe it should be added also by The_Shark a very good episode :D --Cool Man 0912 04:20, 30 March 2006 (PST)

• I've heard that story about the shark logo being a mistake a few times now, but I've yet to see any source cited. (That's a pretty big liberty for a special effects crew to take, and I doubt it just "slipped through" the proofing process without any of the producers noticing.) Can someone provide a link? Until then, I say the logo is canon. --Joezoo 05:28, 30 March 2006 (PST)
• Just because the production team didn't approve the logofying of the shark, it doesn't mean it didn't hold any significance. It could just as easily mean that it's a too big a spoiler too soon. Also, by someone writing something in any forum, official or not, doesn't make whatever they wrote the absolute truth. I don't see anything here that discounts any theories 100%. --skks05:50, 30 March 2006 (PST)

## Numbering of Hatches on Main Page

The main page lists the number 7 hatch as being crossed out because it's the aborted hatch. I don't think this is true since it states that station 7 was aborted in the 8 o'clock position because of the water table and that's where the rivers have been drawn. But the scratched out hatch at 11 o'clock could be a demolished hatch or a hatch that was planned and wasn't built or was assumed to be there and was not. The latter is what I think the scratch out was, since the artist has two assumed stations drawn at the 2 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions.

Making any true/false assumptions is far too soon since we don't see the top of the map, especially on the part of 11 o'clock & arrow. --skks 06:45, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

## Center Area?

Are there any current theories on the central area? The large area with the '?' on it. Even up on the island, would that area have any significance? I partially ask because the map reminds me a lot of Myst, and a big thing of Myst (or at least in the Mechanical Age) was a large hub in the middle that would rotate and allow you to access each area. Is this a possible option of the island? Because wouldn't the people not want to actually go on the surface, but rather just travel through an intersection? But then again, the island may be to large, and if there isn't anything found in the Swan area...

Just an idea.

Oh, and did the tail enders ever enter the Arrow section, or did they just hang outside? I can't remember...

Following the revelations in the 3rd season episode "Par Avion", my guess is the central area is the Barracks, and the lines around it indicate the security fence. The question mark would be there because the fence prevented Radzinsky from going there. --Hprill 05:23, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

Most of the people on this site appear to agree that the (?) on the map is the Pearl station, though there is still the theory that the small ? below the (?) is the Pearl and the (?) is still undiscovered.
And yes, the Tailies did go into the Arrow - and there wasn't much there.
Check the individual pages for these stations for more info. --Doc 09:25, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

## Wikipedia Articles for deletion

I'm not sure if this is something that might concern anyone here, but the UV map at wikipedia is nominated for deletion. So if you are a member of wikipedia and you didn't know, I thought some of you might want to help organize the structure of wikipedia by posting your thoughts/votes.

Here is a link to the discussion page where people have posted their opinions, and it is where you can speak your mind on how they should organize the articles. UV Map Deletion Discussion Page

The wikipedians are very wary of speculations and I can't blame them. They got a totally different policy on these kind of things. But I think it's gonna give them a bit of a headache finding out what's fact and what's speculation over the map when merging the articles. ^_^ --Jambalaya 09:30, 31 March 2006 (PST)

## I AM HERE

I was thinking about the other 'work of art' in the Swan.

Does anything in the writing or design of the blast door map have any visual connection to the mural? The handwritten 42 on the door and the drawn 42 on the mural are different in the shape of the characters, but is there anything that might connect them.

What worries me is we get something like the mural and we have had no explantion about it at all and i think thats whats going to happen with this Map too. Worse still its gonan be hard for them to lower the door again to read it, even if Locke decides to tell anyone. There could be a room above of course where the blast door goes too.. but not likely. --MRNasher

## Why make the map on the door

It seems obvious that the blast door writings were created by Dharma(at least in part)! Who else would install black lights and have black light sensitive inks? I think the island is a puzzle for the inhabitants to solve at "seemingly" their own peril....and Dharma is probably watching. The blast door comes down only after you neglect to input the numbers. You are scared and you think that disaster is impending, but wait, John, what's this on the door, a map of the island, strange notes, something bigger is going on! Maybe there was no original Dharma experiment 25 years ago, because the experiment is NOW! Everything has probably been set up to look old and forgotten. Maybe those writings were meant for the plane crash victims to find...(lostspirit, 5-14-06)

Why would someone detail this information on the blast door where it would be useless except for every once in a (seemingly distant) while when the doors shut unless they had a way to manually lower the doors whenever they wanted? This would make more sense as it would allow total privacy whenever the information was in plain view. It would make sense for there to be a means of lowering the doors manually, probably from within the room which is locked down. (Pbaehr)

I think that the station's previous inhibitants have scribbled down the notes when they were locked down themselves. They just used the door as a huge canvas. It's hard to tell who's done it though and why they risked it by not pushing the button. --Jambalaya 10:24, 31 March 2006 (PST)

If there's a connection between the button and the blast door coming down.

Or one of the Hatch's inhabitants could have figured out a way to lower and raise the blast doors, or possibly even just that one. JakeApple 18:07, 1 April 2006 (PST)

It could be that one of the hatch residents didn't want anyone (including his hatch-partner) knowing about the map. if during a lockdown, one of the residents was in the computer terminal room and the other in the main room, he would have ample time to draw a map that no one else would ever find... djumbrosia 10:34, 23 April 2006 (PST)

Now that we know the Swan is being watched, perhaps they did it to hide from the eyes of the Pearl. And I wonder if the Blast doors coming down were the singal for the rotation for the new Pearl watchers? *ponder* Guess we will have to see what they find on the printouts that Eko thinks is important.... and I agree. --Phil 08:16, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Another thing to consider is that Gale lied to Locke and he actually did enter the code and press the button. This could imply that the lockedown lasts indefinitely, until the code is entered. That means there would be as much time as the map artist wanted, to draw on the map. Maybe (s)he (my guess is Desmond) discovered that nothing "bad" happened if the code didn't get entered and knew (s)he could take as much time as needed to draw before raising the door by entering the code.--Stew Erickson 09:45, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

The map has the words "The Pearl?" near C4? (CV IV)? on the right side, and just above this it says "HIGH POTENTIAL FOR R.V.S" R.V.S. could be Remote Video Surveillance, which is exactly what the Pearl station is purported to be for.

I think the Others made the map. Why would they leave the Swan uninhabited? Surely they knew it existed. Dharma probably would not have made such a map, as they probably knew where everything was anyway. The Others, however, probably had a lot to discover about the Island. This could explain the confused notations and numerous revisions. The Others made secret notes about the Island and strategic locations. They put these notations on the door using "invisible" ink so that it would escape detection in case the Swan was infiltrated by non-Others. When Desmond crashed on the Island, the Others used the Swan as a baby-sitter to keep Desmond busy and unable to contact Penelope, daughter of Ben's enemy... Since Desmond would have to be in the Hatch to push the button every 108 minutes, the Others explored travel times between the Hatch and other stations. That would explain the notation, "Travel time incompatible with 108"... Desmond would not be able to reach another station to attempt communication within the 108 minute time window. By faking a quarantine and keeping Desmond alone in the Hatch, he would not be able to inadvertently alert Charles Witmore to the Island's location.--Bauerman24 22:32, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

The producers have already stated that the Others didn't know about the Swan. But I do think the reason for its creation will be answered eventually. --The Cartographer 23:21, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

The producers have misled us before... stating, if I remember correctly, that Rousseau would have her own flashback. Now that she's dead, they say that she'll crop up IN a flashback... Perhaps the Others as a group don't know about the Swan, but certainly Ben might, because he watched Jack on the videofeed in the Pearl, at a time that I think was BEFORE Ben's capture/imprisonment in the Swan, as seen in Expose. Unless Ben went to the Pearl AFTER his release by Michael, then he would have at least known that there was another place on the Island with cameras, one that the survivors had invaded. --Bauerman24 18:04, 14 December 2008 (PST)

Bauerman, go to the Swan station page, and look up the others an read what Carlton and Damon have to say about it. --The Cartographer 09:38, 15 December 2008 (PST)

## Different colours on the map?

under blacklight. surely this would require either more than one of the candidate substances mentioned in the article, or else a proper blacklight marker kit or something along those lines? --kaini

## Vents

From this week's podcast, there was an interesting quote from Carlton talking about the map:

"You've got all the Dharma stations are on there, you've got these vents..."

Seems to add credence to CV = _____ Vents, Cerberus perhaps...? --Jmast7 19:31, 3 April 2006 (EST)

• Could you be more specific as to what part of which podcast that quote comes from, because I couldn't find it in today's podcast, what I did notice Damon say was that there is no station that's going to be called "The Goblet". ArgentiumOutlaw 16:42, 3 April 2006 (PDT)
• In the middle (after the interview), when they're going through the "five revelations" they start talking about the map. Here's an extended transcript:

Carlton: "What was the promo said there were like, what, five major revelations. Should we talk about what those revelations are?"

Damon: We should do it like "Family Feud."

Carlton: "Okay! Number one would be...?"

Damon: "Survey says: I'm going to go with the fact that Henry Gale is in fact an Other, or at least lying about the fact his name is Henry Gale and he came in a balloon, etc, etc. What do you think?"

Carlton: "Well, I would say #1 is actually the map. I mean the map is, that's pretty big. You've got all the Dharma stations on there, appears to be all the Dharma stations, you've got these vents, you've got all sorts of texts which people on the internet have already deciphered...

Damon: "Some accurately, some not so accurately..."

It just struck me that he actually mentioned "these vents" as one of the big things on the map, especially with all the CV's on there...--Jmast7 20:34, 3 April 2006 (EST)

sweet! i didn't buy the 'c... virus' theory above, but definitely thought the 'c... vent' was plausible. to speculate, probably the transportation system for the black smoke, or cerebrus --kaini 18:14, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

One more thing about the Cerberus Vents theory - you notice how all of them are on the Fuselagers side of the island and how no vents are up near The Arrow station? This fits well with the idea that The Others haven't ventured over here because of The Security System.

Also remember that Smokey tried to drag Locke underground in Exodus: Parts 2 and 3 also fitting well with the underground vent idea. --Jmast7 22:13, 3 April 2006 (EST)

yeah, it all ties up so neatly i'm waiting for lindelof and co to throw us a total curveball now! sealed up area of the swan with a massive magnetic force behind it; the corridors leading out of the swan were sealed by someone who meant business. they were scared. which would suggest a security system or something like that which is somehow malfunctioning. vents confirmed as canon, concentrated round the fuselagers area, and quarantine signs... i really think a lot of stuff is finally starting to add up. then again, i've said that a bunch of times already with this show, and was wrong a lot of the time :D kaini 20:55, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

## Math Stuff

We need to be able to make our math formula section look like the one at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_map#Mathematical_Formulae_interpretation but it looks like the lostpedia engine cant translate math symbols. Does anyone know how else we can do it? (preferably without using an image or a bunch of images) ArgentiumOutlaw 17:18, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

The Wikimedia package (which Lostpedia is built on) has a LaTeX module. Has that been installed, & if so is it enabled? -- Llywrch 09:06, 4 April 2006 (PDT)
I will look into this ASAP and try to get it working this afternoon. Thanks! --Admin 16:22, 4 April 2006 (PDT)
I have mimetex installed now. Please put a note on my private message screen if you have any questions or problems with LaTeX.
*$\sqrt{16}.\sqrt{64}.\sqrt{225}$ The square root of 16 is 4, the square root of 64 is 8, and the square root of 225 is 15. In other words, the first three of the "Lost numbers".
*$KEV = 4E_0... \$ May be Kinetic Energy times Voltage. KeV is also the unit for thousands of Electronvolts.
--Admin 00:03, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

This is all up to the admin, I'm not sure, but I don't think Wikimedia exactly comes with the appropriate php-module but it can be configured to use it if it's available. I posted a question about this on the main page a while back, but if it still doesn't work. I suggest contacting the admin straight up. While you're at it, tell him there's a newer apache to the 2.0 series. :) --skks 12:36, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm new here, so don't know the protocol to make a correction, but the equation with the B vector is not copied correctly off the map. There is no 'r' in the denominator next to Pi. That is a 'v' and should be under the integral sign to indicate this is a *volume* integral. Similarly, the 'dr' at the end should be dV. The placement of the 'v' as a subscript to Pi (as it appears on the map) is absolutely meaningless mathematically. I think it must be a production error. Second, there are 2 other equations at the far right-center that I haven't seen anyone decode. (Sorry for the newbie-ness).

## Clean-up

I have added the Clive Baker connection theory to the main page and cleaned-up the already mentioned items in the discussion page. -- Pazuzu47 19:12, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

## Cerberus

Let me try to make this section fast, why is Cerberus under the latin names section, i thought it was greek? If anyone can confirm this, we can change it quickly. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:20, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

It is a Greek name. I should've flagged that myself; good catch. -- Llywrch 19:45, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

But Cerberus also appears (under the same name I believe) in Roman myth.--Tricksterson 07:40, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

• I believe it originated from Greek Mythology, not to mention that the name itself is greek. From wikipedia: "Cerberus or Kerberos (Greek Κέρβερος, Kerberos, demon of the pit)" ArgentiumOutlaw 15:20, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
• "Latin names" was just a shorthand way to separate the name translations/explanations from the phrase translations/explations, which I felt were separate issues. The Latin names stuff could probably just be relocated to the "Theories/Commentary" section. Jengod 16:46, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
• So Cerberus is the smoke monster? Elehpant 17:25, 9 April 2006 (PDT)

## Page title change

Does anyone else think this page should be moved to [[Hidden Map]], [[Blacklight Map]], [[Secret Map]] or [[Blast-Door Map]], given that 98% of the page is about the map, and not the blast doors? Jengod 13:42, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

I agree with you, ....I like the last one 'Blast-Door Map' or how bout 'Ultraviolet Map'?. Although we need many people to agree to do this because a lot of stuff links here so its not easy to just move it around. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:26, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
I believe we could just set up a "redirect" (#REDIRECT [[Ultraviolet Map]] or #REDIRECT [[Blast-Door Map]]) to solve the immediate "broken-link problem" and clean up the bad in-links later. Jengod 16:45, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
You can just use the "move" option and it will set up the redirect for you and move the talk page too. This way everything that links to 'Blast Door' will be automatically redirected and you'll keep the edit history. Then you can go back and fix the redirects at your leisure. --Elvis 17:23, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
I guess that works then, so which name? ArgentiumOutlaw 17:45, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
AO, I'd tend to use Blast-Door Map, myself, but I defer to you, I just think it needs "Map" in there somewhere. Jengod 16:00, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

## ==minimal activity==

on this wiki during a new episode. a PRD in itself lol :D kaini 18:31, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

## More on the center area *Spoilers for Apr.5 episode*

I am convinced now that the center of the island is a rotational chamber that connects all 7 locations. The way 'Henry' described the sounding of metal and gears could mean that by not entering the numbers the chamber rotates, and that with two or more people they could end up at the diffirent stations quickly. Also, The Swan and The Staff havn't been fully discovered, and if/when it has, there's a large possiblitiy of a secret chamber that connects into the central chamber, and/or that the door opens only when the hallway of the central chamber connects properly. The station would logically be in the middle with the "?" It would be very handy for everyone (meaning the others) to get around underground with avoiding seeing anyone or to transport stuff around. And it could let people quickly escape, like when they left The Staff. And if the tunnel hasn't opened, it might mean the facing is still away from The Swan, that they have to let the timer run down again.

And has anyone translated the Hieroglyphics yet?

Everyone probably. But as they are hieroglyphs, no definite translations are available - or even possible to make. See Hieroglyphs for more theories. --skks 23:08, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Where's the spoilers? *disappointed* --Jambalaya 02:40, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Yeah - that is just another very far fetched theory, not a spoiler. 'bout the Glyphs - I think we're through discussing them. They most definitely mean die or kill. The glyphs are almost 1:1 in that book mentioned in the article (except one glyph is missing). IMHO they are just there to scare people into pushing the button in case they got adventourous and let the counter run to zero. --aurora glacialis 04:45, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Could also be that it actually does something that we're unaware of. Or it used to, but the machine has been aged and doesn't work correctly. Or maybe the timer itself is broken and will always reset. At least we'll find out a lot more in the next few eps, especially that '?' episode.ArgentiumOutlaw 02:53, 9 April 2006 (PDT)

## Date in the upper right hand corner

Notice that in one of the scribblings on the Blast Door (http://lostpedia.com/images/c/c7/EWBlastDoorMap.jpg), it has a date, October 28th 1984 (presumably). It lists it as a suspected shutdown date. Anyway, with just a little bit of research I found this out to be the date that (the real) John Locke died on, October 28th, 1704. I didn't see that on this page, and thought it might be of relevance, but wasn't sure where to put it in the article. Thanks, --MercuryOne 11:35, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

## Allusion to Allegory of Dante's Divine Comedy

The map on the blast door contains many parallels to Dante's Divine Comedy.

The issue of heaven, hell, and purgatory: Seems that there are different sections on the map that allude to the 3

    - 10 o'clock: Sursum corda "Lift up your hearts (to God)"
- very opposite at 4 o'clock : mention of dragons and hell "ex inferis"
- at 2 o'clock: mention of road or another route of travel as well as "credo nos in fluctu eodom esse" (we are all on the same
wavelength) perhaps suggesting that all souls arrive from there

    - mention of Cerberus near "hell": Greek guardian of the Hades' underworld
- the indications of CV...CV could allude to the circles described in the Divine Comedy, eg. Canto V, different allocations for different "types" of sinners


Would be great if anyone could add and build on this and draw further parallels Links into theory that each character is on there for committing different "sins" (would further explain inclusion of Hurley - gluttony had to be addressed somehow)

• Also, Sun in regards to her sin being lust, with the rising storyline of her pregnancy and her previous affair.

## Locke's drawings of the map..

Where should this be included? The Blast Door Map page is already huge, but it seems significant to show what Locke can recall about the map. After all, he only had a few moments to study it and we have been looking at it for weeks.

 Locke's second attempt about halfway through the episode S.O.S. Locke's final attempt in S.O.S.. An arrow and a 3 are very clear on this drawing.

Some other things to point out:

• The paper has words written in French on it. The appears to indicate that someone who spoke or understood french once inhabited the Hatch. Possibly Danielle?--Sid67 11:18, 14 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm going to create a page Locke's Map, but im not really a total wiki expert and im a brit not totally up to date with ABC, little help? Russell 11:33, 14 April 2006 (PDT)

## Let's break up this page...

This page is huge and needs to be broken up... I suggest we break this page up into several other pages. It's pretty crazy as it is and it's getting hard to follow any new information about the map. I suggest we break it up as follows:

• Hidden Map Translations - this page would include the fan / EW translations of the map, and include any information that has been translated off the map, including the "Notations", "Latin phrases." Alternately, this page could be called Hidden Map Discoveries, or Blast Door Notations.
• Hidden Map Equations - Move the "Numbers, dates, science..." section to this page. The "solve the equations" piece could also be put under here.
• Blast Door Theories - This page would include the theories/commentaries section and be organized into the different theory areas.
• I would suggest leaving the Locations and Geography section on this page. After all, this page is called Blast Door Map and maps lead to locations, so it would make sense to keep that info on this page.

Any thoughts? --Sid67 08:25, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

I personally think there's a reason for everything to remain on this page, but I could do with summaries on this page and daughter articles elsewhere. Maybe have the "facts" of the map on this page, with the explanations elsewhere. So, for example:

==Numbers, dates, science...==
Main article: Solving the equations

Just my .02 Jengod 12:48, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

• That's a good idea. I completed a breakout a long these lines. I'm going to start putting it in now. --Sid67 14:59, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

## Clipped this

Clipped the following text from the page: not that there are writings indicating KV5 and KV4, etc... these are the same numbers used by archaeologists when refering to tombs in the valley of the kings.

Where are these? I would like to add this to the appropriate section, but I cannot find "KV5" on our current list of notations. Jengod 12:30, 24 April 2006 (PDT)

## Javi discusses this article

[22:50] <truffula> Javi, I would just like to thank you for all the wonderful work you've done with LOST, and would like to ask a question about Dharma. Obviously we're all talking about the Map on the Blast door; what I'd like to know is who made it, and why? It seems VERY important
[22:51] <Javi> truffula - well, i can't tell you who drew the map because it will be revealed later... but it was soneone who had to push the button everfy 108 minutes, so his explorations of the island were limited and a lot of what he put in the map is conjecture....
[22:52] <Javi> ...he was clearly trying to figure out where the other hatches were and had not been told...
[22:52] <Javi> by the way, i am THRILLED by how much attention the map has gotten!
[22:53] <Javi> by the end of this season you will know exactly who drew the map, why and what happened to him - i guarandamnteeit!
[22:53] <cmeade> i loved the map...spent an hour today looking at it
[22:54] <Javi> lol - there's already a five page entry about it on lostpedia! we can't put enough stuff on it!
†††GodEmperorOfHell††† --08:19, 5 May 2006 (PDT)

## Top of the map...

It's noted that we might not be able to see information at the top of the map because Locke's legs were trapped under the doors.

However in Live Together, Die Alone we are shown how Kelvin fakes a lockdown to lower the doors so that he can write on the map. He puts some sort of metal box to keep the door from closing all the way (so he could get back out easily to raise the doors again). I noticed that this metal box was higher than Locke's legs were when the doors closed on him so that tells me that there is little / no information of value at the top of the map.

The only ways he would have gotten to write on the map that I can see are:

• Letting the doors shut all the way when he forced the lockdown, and then crawl thru the vent system to get from the computer room to the living area. However this would seem inconvenient to do.
• When a real lockdown occurs (supply drop) he writes on the doors at that time. However that gives quite a small window of time in which to write. --Jason222 16:41, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
• I'll have to look at it again, but I thought the metal box was under a different blast door then the one with the map.--Roccyraccoon 07:54, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
It was. The metal box was under the door between the computer room and the main area-the blast door map is on a different wall. -- Ramirez Selvarn 07:57, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

## Reasons For The Map

It's a simple reason for the map. It's clear that Kelvin has explored the ENTIRE island. He just wanted to make sure that other poeple know about the major parts of the island.--Jigsaw 14:31, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

## Reason For The Map 2

Another reason that Kelvin made the map was that there were people before him and they told him to finish the map for some reason.--Jigsaw 14:36, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

But the eastern side has question marks, as if he's unsure. Dow --Dow lord 07:33, 7 June 2006 (PDT)


Possibly, Radzinsky told Kelvin to finish it, as, according to Kelvin, Radzinsky drew it.--Shi no Kyoufu

## Something Doesn't Add Up

If you look at the staff, it says "Confirmed Site Of Cadaceus Medical Station." Below that, it reads that the flame is number 4. If the flame is 4 and the swan is 3, wouldn't the pearl be where the Staff is? (look closely) --Dow lord 16:01, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Here's a simulation of what the stations may look like:

Sorry it's crappy, I made it quick. --Dow lord 16:14, 7 June 2006 (PDT) I made a slightly better version. --Dow lord 15:59, 8 June 2006 (PDT) (Feel free to move this)

The numbers don't have to necessarily go in order. Also, the pearl was supposed to be the question mark in the middle of the island right? Until we know like 1 or 2 more of the numbers of the stations, we can't assume there even is a pattern. Just my thought. ArgentiumOutlaw 10:04, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
And if they did go in order they would probably be clockwise--CaptainInsano

## Theories

On the theories section it mentions that the map said "MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN MOST LIKELY USED BY D.I.H.G. FOR METEORLOGICAL RESEARCH" then speculates that it involves meteors. None of the images are high-res enough for me, but was "METEORLOGICAL" actually spelt that way? Meteorological means to do with the weather, and it seems to be a common mispelling. Aradiel 11:26, 18 June 2006 (GMT)

• The jigsaw version confirms it, it's "Meteorological" not "Meteorlogical" and thus is about the weather, not meteors.

## Dharma logo codes and hatch map numbers

Looking at the Dharma logo I noticed the black lines can be interpreted not only as [Korean flag symbols], but also as a binary code .

Taking every 3-lines block as a 3 digit binary number, with the outer line as LSB, every block represents one digit between 0 and 7.

Can there be any relationship between these codes and the hatch numbers displayed in the blast door map?

Dondepresor 11:51, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

Have you tried numbering the hatches not from 0 to 7 but from 1 to 8? (just add 1 to each of yours). This binary code leads you to the numbers (or did the numbers created this logo?!...)

What you'll get: 4 is on the lower left, 8 is on the top right, 15 is one and five adjacent on the right, 16 is one and 6 adjacent on the bottom, 23 is two and three adjacent on the top. the only problem is with 42. Although, you all probably know that "47 is actually 42 fixed for inflation"...

Attracting to the mystery is the loud creative process not telling you what it is but asking what you think it is ;]

Ezhiukas 7 17:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

## AH/MDG Incident

Can anyone venture an educated guess on what this means? I figure AH is Alvar Hanso and DG is DeGroot, but no clues on the M. Also the link circles back to this page.

The link circles back cause people felt AH/MDG didn't justify its own full page cause its just a five letter acronym. In regards to what it means Alvar Hanso and DeGroot is about all anyone can think of --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:26, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

## Latin

As far as I know - 'Cogito ergo doleo' on the map translates to 'I think therefore I suffer' --Moo 08:56, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

## Reason for "The Sickness?"

On the map, there's a line that says "The disease worsens with the treatment. The remedy is worse than the disease." Perhaps Aaron's rash IS the Sickness, and the vaccine makes it worse...

## The CV Notations

The "CV" notations on the map could stand for "Core Value." This could be related to the attempts to "change the core values of the Valenzetti equation" as mentioned in the Sri Lanka Video found via The Lost Experience.

## DVD

Where is the full blast door map on the DVD? What disc ect...

## Entertainment Weekly Flash Object

Entertainment Weekly have a Flash object that provides some clues about the Blast Door Map. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178384_3%7C%7C1045714%7C1_0_,00.html

Should this link be included? --Inman 19:21, 7 November 2006

## New Informations

Has any1 added the notations and that from the complete map (the 1 from the S2 DVD? if so, where abouts is it??

I've started to decode the writings on the north part of the blast door map (as seen on Season 2 DVD). Seems there aren't new latin scripts. But it's still an hard work! Blast Door Map "North Section" --andreapasotti

Hey before you hurt your eyes, I think its already been translated. I'll find the link --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:14, 7 December 2006 (PST)

Here we go [1] - it would be nice to have a diagram image though --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:17, 7 December 2006 (PST)

Oh, thank you! But I think something is missing (another message with E.E.P, or E.F.P. as written on the page you linked).

And also, can I ask you all what do you think about the "H2", "H3", "H4", and "H5" on the map, in the red squares of the Swan, Arrow and Staff stations? I think that "H" means "hatch", the door to entry in the various stations (if you note H1 is missing: probably is the one to enter the Pearl). Infact H2, in the Swan, should be the hatch discovered in Season 1 by Locke and Boone, and H4 is the one opened by Kate, Rousseau and Claire in 2x15. Now, look at the left part of the map of Swan station: it represents the inaccesible part of the station (with concrete, like Chernobyl). But it could be accessible if "H3" means "hatch n°3", an entry to that part. --andreapasotti

I agree that H means Hatch. When the losties visit the stations we find out that not all the stations were underground. Some don't have hatches, such as the flame. The stations with Hatches have a [H] notation and those without have a Door. Rad and Kelvin (possibly Roger) traveled to the other stations and had a look around them. They drew HARD lines for the stations they found, and Broken likes for the stations they 1) didn't/couldn't get into 2) The stations that were distroyed 3) they didn't find. All the stations were orignialy linked via underground passages but were later blocked off this is what the other exit crossed though on all the stations means.

## Past tense

Since the map isn't really existing any longer, should the map be adressed as something that DID exist (in the past)? I've changed the first section in the article, but I did not want to change the rest at this time. Any viewpoints on this? --Jambalaya 18:22, 3 January 2007 (PST)

## Broken Link

• The above link was removed because it no longer works. If the page comes back on, or someone can locate the image on another part of the site, feel free to put it back in the article.--Mr.Leaf 18:44, 12 January 2007 (PST)

## The Flame is in the wrong spot?

The map doesn't really make any sense though. According to the map, the closest station is the Flame, then the ? and the Staff, and the Arrow is furthest away. From the show we know that the Staff and the Pearl are the closest, and the Arrow and the Flame are the farthest (they are both in the same vicinity as the Barracks / Tailies). Clearly either the blast door map shouldn't be taken as accurate, or there's been an error or continuity change. --Jackdavinci 12:52, 18 March 2007 (PDT)

I was thinking about the location of the arrow just now. The map states that it's possible that it's the location, but not likely. If we go by the Barracks Map, we can see that the Flame is actually very close to the Barracks. If we go by the Via Domus blast door map version, we can see the Barracks between the Arrow and C3 station. Therefore, it's more likely that C3 is the Flame. C4 could be the Tempest and where the Flame is marked might actually be the Temple. However, the Looking Glass and Hydra seem out of place on the Via Domus version. It implies the Hydra is very near, and should be visible to, the Beach Camp. I had always viewed the Hydra Island to be on the exact opposite side of the Island as the Beach Camp (in other words, at the very top of the blast door map). Also, we always see the Losties travel counterclockwise from the Beach Camp around the Island (or "East" using the Blast Door map as a reference, assuming it is positioned with North at the top and assuming the Beach Camp is at or near the very bottom, and thus near the southernmost location on the Island) to get to the cable and Looking Glass, but the location on the Via Domus map indicates that it would be clockwise (or "West"). Another thing to keep in mind is that stations appear to be enlarged on the blast door map and only shown in relative positions from one another, and thus it is not an actual accurate representation of the Island. --Cobblepot 00:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

## Map from Lost Magazine?

The latest issue (1.10) has an 11x17" pullout poster of the blast door in super fine detail. Not sure if we need it, or if it's allowed to use it here, but if people want it and the sysops say it's OK I'll scan it and post it. --Jackdavinci 12:21, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

• I, at least, would like to see it. Maybe upload it to the article also if you have the chance! ShadowUltra 23:13, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
• Ya, sounds cool. congested 23:16, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
• Yes, definitly. User:Jakovexc0

## Unanswered questions to delete

• Does "I am here" actually represent the underwater, Looking Glass station?

No, it doesn't.

• Kelvin and the other workers were in the Hatch, The Swan Station.
• There is a big arrow that is pointing towards Swan station.
• If "he is there" (in The Looking Glass), how could he draw "I am here" while in the Swan?
• Is the "Unknown" the Flame Station?
• I can't get it. We have a Flame Station on the map. Do you mean something like "they moved everything due to the cerberus activity malfunctions"?

--Andreapasotti 16:20, 18 May 2007 (Italy)

## Blast Door Map ulrtra violet light

Anyone ever wonder why you can only see the blast door map with the ultra violet light?

Well I spent about 5 minutes thinking about this and I compared what we had known about DHARMA in season 2, (which was barly anything) to the DHARMA we learned about in season 3.

In the flame station, after winning the chess game, we all know that Marvin Candle appears and says "If the hostiles have taken over the station, press 77," which made the flame station explode. Is this why you can only see the blast door map with the ultra violet light because if the hostiles entered the swan station they wouldn't be able to see a map of the whole island?

I'ld like it if someone responded to my theory because I like hearing to other people's personal ideas. Thanx a lot!

Markus the Carkess 16:46, 7 July 2007 (PDT)

## South isn't South

The Swan may not neccesarily south, because it is at the bottom of the map, it was drawn from Radzinski's perspective, and if the Swan were northeast, for example, it wouldn't make sense to draw the Swan in a corner, since that is where he is. Also, there is no compass drawn on the map. --DharmaMan 15:53, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

## Han purple

While categorizing uncategorized images I ran into an image with a lot of text that's better suited to be posted here. It was first posted on 04:08, 15 June 2006 by RichardR. I also give you the picture. --Hunter61 20:55, 10 November 2007 (PST)

The pigment used to make the map is likely Han Purple. Samples can be tinted to make variations. Possibly a fundamental ingredient used on the magnets in the Swan because of it's magnetic and dimensional qualities.

The pigment offers insight into dimensional and magnetic relativety to events on the island.

It all starts with a pigment called Han purple that was used more than 2,000 years ago to color Xi'an terra cotta warriors of the Qian Dynasty. The pigment is known in the scientific world as BaCuSi206 -- and when magnet lab scientists exposed it to very high magnetic fields and very low temperatures, it entered a state of matter that is rarely observed.

The most recent research, published in today's issue of the journal Nature, shows that at the lowest temperature point at which the change of state occurs -- called the Quantum Critical Point -- the Han purple pigment actually loses a dimension: it goes from 3D to 2D.

Theoretical physicists have postulated that this kind of dimensional reduction might help explain some mysterious properties of other materials (high temperature superconductors and metallic magnets known as "heavy fermions" for example) near the absolute zero of temperature, but until now, a change in dimension had not been experimentally observed.

Chinese chemists synthesized Han Purple pigment from barium copper silicates for the first time roughly 2,000 years ago and used the pigments for pottery and trade, in addition to large imperial projects such as the Qin Terracotta Warriors of Xi'an in Shaanxi Province. Preceding the invention of both paper and the compass, the ancient creation of Han Purple possibly makes it the first man-made compound containing a metallic bond.

A Bose-Einstein condensate is an unusual state of matter that is unlike both liquids and solids. BEC was first predicted in 1925, but it took roughly 70 years of intense theoretical and experimental effort before it was discovered in very dilute atomic gases in 1995. In essence, a BEC is a strange consequence of quantum theory regarding the wave nature of matter: atoms can act like the waves in water or sound in certain ways. At very low temperatures certain types of atoms spontaneously occupy the same quantum state. As a result, the atomic "waves" overlap, forming a giant "matter wave"; each atom loses its identity, with the assembly of atoms, in effect, acting as one giant atom or condensate. http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php?f...&story_id=5901

## The Via Domus version of the Blast door map

Hi there, I just capped the Blast Door map of the second Via Domus trailer. Is it canon? It got the Orchid, the Hydra, the Looking Glass and several new markings on it.

Have fun exploring it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jensma (talkcontribs) .
• The Blast door map for the game Lost:Via domus is not considered canon. so the placement of stations should be treated as such. CastorPollock 07:56, 19 February 2008 (PST)
Nice discovery! I went ahead and added a section about the newer map, if someone
wants to add to it, go ahead! --Popcorn2008 16:19, 4 February 2008 (PST)
I think there is some Latin written over the Swan. It looks like "Quid est veritus?" which I have translated to "What is truthfulness?"--Baker1000 08:34, 5 February 2008 (PST)
Left: K behaves strangely can't(?) has to ... out
Lower left corner: "Looking Glass" - Cable running offshore possible Looking Glass
Lower right corner: "Hydra" - .... island (?) is Hydra. Tunnel blocked - unable to access
Upper right corner: "Barracks" - Hostile controlled
Upper left corner: "Possible Orchid?" - ...—The weird unsigned comment was added by Jensma (talkcontribs) .

Ok so the page now has the Latin as "Quid est veritas" but I'm pretty sure it's a 'U' not an 'A' in the last word.--Baker1000 09:46, 6 February 2008 (PST)
Interesting. You may be right - In which case why? "Quid est veritas" is a famous biblical reference asked by Pontius Pilate to Jesus.--TechNic|talk|conts 10:13, 6 February 2008 (PST)
Perhaps it's a mistake. It would make more sense for it to say "Quid est veritas"--Baker1000 11:08, 6 February 2008 (PST)

### Geography Issues

Dharmatel, you seem awfully convinced that your grasp of the Island's geography is correct. I'd like to see some citations for your claims before the Via Domus map is called incorrect. (Samuelhdiamond 09:03, 19 February 2008 (PST))

• The location of the Pala Ferry is on the west side of the Island rather than the east side.
The beach camp is at the north end of the Island. See Rousseau's map. See Ben's radio tower map. See the dialog in "Through the Looking Glass, Part 2".
When Sayid is plotting his position on the sailboat, he is plotting a position on the west side of the Island. Given that he sailed on further south to reach the Pala Ferry, it has to be on the west side of the Island.
• The looking glass was toward the west on the Island (not the east)
Watch the episodes where they travel toward the cable. Observe the direction they are walking.

The Hydra is shown as being off the northwest coast of the Island. This would seem an unlikely location given that there are no Islands appearing on other maps in that region and it would place the Hydra very close to the beach camp.

On Rousseau's map, the probable location of the Hydra is off the south end of the Island. Putting it off the north end of the Island as per the new blast door map would make the Hydra visible from the beach camp plus rousseau's map shows no islands in that location.

The blast door map has always been questionable as far as geography. The Flame is blatently wrong (see the dharma cabling map). The pearl and the swan are correct as is the position of the barracks on the new map. Dharmatel4 11:57, 23 February 2008 (PST)

• The Producers have stated that the Blast Door map is very accurate. Of course even the blast door map has a note about the Flame station not being the correct placement. CastorPollock 16:03, 23 February 2008 (PST)
The producers can say whatever the want. But if every part of the Blast Door map is taken to be very accurate, then most every other map on the show is wrong. There are right things on the blast door map (Pearl, Swan, Barracks) and wrong things (Arrow, Flame, Hydra, Looking glass). Dharmatel4 19:04, 23 February 2008 (PST)
• I was talking about the original blast door map and the puzzle blast door map. Of course its acurate according to Radzinsky, and we know he didn't know everything. Radzinsky mapped the flame in the wrong location, which he stated.
This map ( [[2]] ) seems to plae Hydra at the southeast, the new BDM seems to verify that, not that it's fully canon of course.--Hexhunter 16:26, 23 February 2008 (PST)
That map is completely and totally wrong. It was created by a fan throwing the blast door map arbitrarily down on top of rousseau's map of the Island. See the radio tower map for proof of how wrong it is. From the radio tower map we know where the beach camp, pearl, flame and barracks are with relation to each other. And none of that works with that particular map. Dharmatel4 19:04, 23 February 2008 (PST)
The Flame and the barracks are so far away, I thought they'd be closer. Kajillion 22:14, 6 March 2008 (PST)
{Ben's radio tower map]] from season 3 gives a better indicatin of relative distances between the beach camp, pearl and barracks. Using the DHARMA cabling map, you can also figure out where the Flame would be. Dharmatel4 22:20, 6 March 2008 (PST)

### Canon

• it is not considered canon I for one would like to vote its removal from the blast door map page, and have it added to the Lost:Via Domus page. Atleast it should be marked as incorrect or noncanonical. CastorPollock 09:16, 19 February 2008 (PST)
Its problematical. We know that the game story isn't canon. But they talked about the alternative blast door map on the season three blu-ray DVDs as if it were canon. There have also been some rather odd comments about the game filling out the details of stations like the Hydra and Swan. Dharmatel4 11:57, 23 February 2008 (PST)

Can't deny that the producers have alluded to the fact that the blast door map may have hidden details on it that would be revealed in alternate lighting conditions and that supposedly the creators of Via Domus had special privileges to set information. I think we should change it from non-canon to deutro-canon and include the notes about how the producers suggested such a map existed but it was never actually shown in the show. Cookn4evar

I agree with Cook. The producers did say the only reason they signed on to the idea was for the fans to explore places on the island we'll eother never see or won't see for some time. Like the "incident room", the Flame's basement, other rooms and corridors of the underwater part of the Hydra Ect. --The Cartographer 12:08, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

## The Tempest

Darlton have said in the latest podcast that The Tempest was on the Blast Door Map. But...Where is it? - TheAma1 05:26, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

I would have to guess it's either C3 or C4. They both seem quite high up, looking at the mountains marked around them.--Baker1000 05:33, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
C3 has "Possible manufacturing facility with light industrial equipment" marked near it so my money's on that one.--TechNic|talk|conts 07:50, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
I would guess "Abandoned #7" or C1 the crossed-out station, based on it's location on the Tempest map. --Hugo815 08:00, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
I'd go with C3. Could the Unknown on the top left be the Orchid, it refers to selective breeding? Thedarxide 08:12, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
According to the Via Domus map, the crossed out one might be the Orchid. Although the map isn't canon. If you think about the location of the Tempest, which was quite high up, then look at the geography on the map, it seems to be either C3 or C4. C3 is a better bet, as it mentions Dharmatel relays.--Baker1000 09:28, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm going with CV1 for several reasons. One, the watertable notations mentioned next to it, two according to Daniel's Map the Tempest is on the western coast of the island just a couple hours walk north of the beach camp. and three, C4 and C3 are on the eastern side of the island, and C1 is likely either the Orchid or the Door. You all may think these vents are not stations but from what I've read on the BD map they had some research or something to that extent going on in them at one point or another.--The Cartographer 11:22, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

I suppose gas could come out of the vent as well as 'cerberus'. Thedarxide 12:08, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
It took them longer than a couple hours, they left early in the night (everyone was still awake) and they didn't get there until well into the next day. --Hugo815 12:12, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
Aside from the Pearl and the Swan, there is no evidence that the Blast Door map isn't in any way geographically accurate. The Flame and Arrow can't be where they are depected to be on the map. The Flame can't be where it is because it would put the barracks next to the Pearl. The Arrow can't be where it is because its on the wrong side of the Island as per where the tail section survivors were. By Daniel's map, the Tempest has to be on the left side of the blast door map. That means is either where the Flame, crossed out station or staff are currently shown. But in reality the show kind of gave up on any sense of continuity this season. They just make it up as they go along so it could literally be anywhere on the blast door map. Dharmatel4 14:40, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Dude, This is a pretty reliable map. The Arrow is right where it should be, if you forgot the Tailies traveled east and found the station and later Michael and the gang. --The Cartographer 22:20, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Look at the DHARMA Cabling map that shows the respective positions of the Barracks and the Flame. Look at the compass on the map that shows the Flame as being north of the barracks. That means "east" isn't were you think it is. We know from the opening of season three where the tail section landed. It seems very unlikely that the Arrow would be on the opposite side of the Island to where the tail section went into the water. Dharmatel4 23:27, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

You know what let's just wait till an official map or something with all the stations and stuff comes out and then we will see who's right. --The Cartographer 11:50, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

• That could be years or never, besides theorizing is what makes Lost so much fun. --Hugo815 11:58, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

## Orchid found?

It says on the lower left : "possible site for above ground study of flora". The Orchid was masqueraded as a botanical station.

The purpose may have been to distract attention from it as the experiment taking place there were crucial and hazardous. This seemed to have worked on Radzinsky/Kelvin who discarded the site as "low priority zone for exploration".--Lauridsen77 13:46, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

## DRAGON???

K why on Earth does DRAGON re-direct to the Blast Door Map page? Seriously, shouldn't this be removed? --meggie ~ Talk & contribs 15:19, 6 May 2008 (PDT)

I guess it's because the Latin phrase "Hic sunt dracones" appears on the map. Although I don't think someone searching Dragon would find what they're looking for here.--Baker1000 16:09, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
Exactly my point. I'm attempting to get a good screencap of the dragon toy from Ji Yeon right now and I plan on creating an actual dragon page. --meggie ~ Talk & contribs 16:10, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
The dragon redirect was helpful for me. The statement "Here be dragons" appears on page 174 of Stephen Hawking's book The Universe in a Nutshell as a reference to M-theory and how it is easy to identify around the edges but we don't have much of an idea of what happens in the middle. On page 175 Hawking asks "Will we discover dragons (or something equally strange) like on old maps of unexplored lands"? --blastano 15:04, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

## Via Domus

I want to suggest that the non-canonical marker for the via domus blast door map is removed. While i don't have the source with me right now, one of the Game Informer magazines that I have, talks about the Lost game and they say that the second, secret blast door was made by the writers of Lost specifically for the game. It was made to give hints about the show. If I can find the magazine, I'll post the source information here.

The producers of Lost definitely had a high level of creative input in the game, but they themselves have said that they consider it non-canon. This doesn't mean that it doesn't give some insight into the true backstory material, it just means that nothing in the game can be considered "official" unless it appears in a canon source. This is similar to the ARG situation, which had creative input from the producers but was not meant to be canon per se. See the canon article and talk page for more info. --Jackdavinci 15:00, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

They said the story wasn't canon. The places (the interior of the Black Rock, the DHARMA stations, and the beach camp ect.) are canon. The electromagnet lab is canon for the simple fact its look and design came from never before seen blueprints from the LOST set designers. I agree that the story itself is certainly not canon, but I think the places are. So I say put the game at a deutro-canon level because of this reason. --The Cartographer 21:10, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

The canon page is actually set to change a bit - see the proposed new categories on the talk page. I know "non-canon" sounds harsh, but it's not - it's a higher level than fanon, and in some cases it's at a higher level than deutero-canon. Deutero-canon is actually for material originally intended to be on the show but then left out, like deleted scenes. Via Domus doesn't really qualify since it was always intended to be it's own separate continuity. And even if an argument could be made to include stuff like the secret Swan room and the Hydra shark tank, the blast door would seem to directly contradict what we saw in the show (unless there is some new blacklight that reveals the new drawings?). There's other elements of the architecture that are clearly non canon like the wiring puzzles that are game elements. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the places in the game are canon - do you have a cite for that? There's a new category called 'disputed canon' which might fit for things the producers have been involved with but haven't declared canon or for which it's not clear if they were involved with - you might make an argument for that. But since the producers have already called the game non canon I would prefer to stick with that. Ultimately I'm not sure what your aim is though - the information is still on the page, it's just labeled in such a way that we know that the information doesn't come from the show itself and so could be superseded at any time by the show. In any case, including parts of Via Domus as canon would change the current policy - if you want to make an argument for that, you should do it on the canon talk page since it would affect many more pages than just this one. --Jackdavinci 01:53, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
There are two aspects of Lost: Via Domus that should definitely be concidered canon. The Blast door map (Via Domus) should definitely be canon since the producers stated that there is another part to the canonical blast door map seen in "Lockdown". This "other section" to the map is seen by Elliott in "Forty-Two". Therefore, this segment of the non-canon videogame should be canon as per the producers comments. The other aspect of Via Domus that should be canon is the Incident Room. The Incident Room was seen on the blast door map in "Lockdown", so we know that it existed in Lost. Also, Desmond said there was a reactor behind the concrete wall in the Swan. This reactor was seen by Elliott in "Hotel Persephone". Although the characters, storyline, and plot of Lost: Via Domus are all non-canon, these two aspects should be canon due to what is seen in Lost and the producers' comments. -- 18:20, 30 October 2008 (PDT)

## Latin question?

Why is Latin used so much on the BDM? Is it possible that the others (who are required to learn latin) wrote some of the annotations on the BDM? That might explain why there are so many scratch outs. Either the DI or the Others might have been scratching out/correcting parts of the map for some reason. I know it is not really an issue anymore b/c it has been destroyed, but just wondering if anyone thought about it.--Jdnosilla 19:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• The Others had never been to the Swan. Go to the Swan article and read the section titled the Others. --LOST-The Cartographer 19:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the guidance. In light of that, why all the latin? -- 01:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC) 20:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Probably they were giving us cryptic clues. Like the one that reads there be dragons is near the primary nexus of the Smoke monster territory. --LOST-The Cartographer 21:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

## Not so canonical now?

The BDM reads like someone with little knowledge of the Island/DHARMA wrote it as they explored the island. Things like "Alleged location of The Flame" definitely do not fit with what we've seen of Radzinsky in Namaste, which makes me think Radzinsky wasn't originally going to be part of DHARMA. There's still time to sort out some of these problems, but I don't know if every word on the BDM can really be taken too seriously anymore. LOST-Merick 17:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

When you think about it, the BDM actually does imply someone with quite a bit of knowledge of the Island and DI. How is someone who has only seen the Swan Orientation Video supposed to know the names of any other stations, or that there are any at all. Radzinsky could have started the map, but isn't the largest contributor to what we have seen. The commentary, specifically those in Latin, imply someone who is out of their wits (doesn't he just seem like the kind of guy who would snap easily?). Radzinsky probably went at least partially mad while in the Swan and started writing jibberish. Perhaps this lead in some way to his death. In any case, Radzinsky likely told Kelvin a lot about the DI and stations and the Island, but he didn't tell him everything he knew because he went crazy too fast or didn't feel it necessary. Kelvin went exploring to fill in the gaps. Obviously, he would get a lot of things wrong. I think there's a lot about the map that is intentionally (by production) wrong, but also a lot hidden in there that foreshadows much of what we've seen and what we will see. --Cobblepot 09:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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