Name
- In Live Together, Die Alone her name is mentioned after she reveals that Mr. Friendly's name is Tom. I thought I heard "Dee" as her name but I am not certain. Did anyone have on closed captioning to be certain?
- I heard "Bea", but I did not have CC turned on however Nickvd 20:31, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- Closed Captioning said "Bea". The CyberSlug 21:53, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- "Bea" is a common nickname for "Beatrice" or "Beatrix". --MikeF74 08:05, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
Bad Pun, or something to make our ears perk up
A character whos name is a homonym. Maybe someone we need to pay close attention to? PanSavant 19:15, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- well, i definitely thought it was "clue" the first time I saw it, maybe the losties have to figure out who-done-it dto get off the island.
talk contribs 19:16, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- Mr Hanso in the kitchen with the candlestick. Oh, wrong game :D -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:28, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
Ms. or Miss?
What does the closed captioning say? I would think that if she introduces herself as "Ms." then she's implying she was once married...--Bremerton 05:03, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- If I remember correctly it said "Ms."--Isotope23 05:13, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I'm pretty sure that's what it said too. --kokuou 18:06, 18 May 2006 (PST)
- Miss is a single woman, Mrs. is a married woman, and Ms can be either. --skks 01:04, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
Yes, Ms. is what you use when you don't know (or used by yourself when you don't want other people to know) if the woman is married or not. Ms.LostCat 13:25, 22 May 2006 (PDT) ;)
It's also a term thatnever really caught on after being briefly in vogue during the 70s, another indication that these people are in some kind of metaphorical, if not literal, time warp.--Tricksterson 09:06, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- Right... I sort of took it as a reference back to that usage and the Women's Lib movement of the 60's/70's rather than an indication of her unknown marital status or that she was a divorcee or widower. For whatever reason the Others seem to be projecting an affection for that time period in addition to their "Lord of the Flies" image. Personally I don't think they've been on the island all that long though... at least not all of them.--Isotope23 09:18, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- hey, this may be a long shot BUT what if she is Jennifer? The wife of the real Henry Gale? She was clearly on the island with her husband when they crashed (according to the fake henry's story) and according to the dollar bill that had the real Gale's last word. Maybe she was taken by the others and made to be one of them? Just a thought...
Related to Eko?
Ms. Klugh clearly has an american accent, and it appears that american english is her first language, so how could she be related to eko? he has been all around the world (well australia and england confirmed) and he still speaks with a rather heavy accent. silly theories are just anoying, a theory should be a reasoned extension of current facts, not a stab in the dark because she is Black (i'm sorry if this affends any african-americans), and eko is black, should not mean we can automatically say, "well she may eb related to eko, just because lost is comlicated. it is complex, but it is certainly not random - Mikey 18:31, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think whoever placed it there did so because of the woman resembling Klugh in his Smoke Flashes.
- Sauron18 23:20, 18 May 2006
- I agree; removing it. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:45, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Also removed 'related to Susan' because of the obvious reason that Klugh stated Michael didn't know his son very well was not because of relation to someone, but rather because Michael couldn't answer the questions she was asking about Walt. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:26, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
- The woman in the smoke DOES look very similar to Ms. Klugh. Furthering this theory. Everyone on the island is connected in someway. Does it seem so unlikely that Eko and Ms. Klugh are related. Also, if they are related that does not mean they have to have the same accent. For example, Jack and Claire (presumably) are related. Yet, Claire grew up in Austraila while Jack grew up in a America. So they have diffrent accents. I find it very offensive and rude that people are removing a theory that is plausible. It may not be TRUE but there is so far no evidence AGAINST it. So therefore, I would greatly appreciate if the people who keep removing my theory keep it there. because It is a THEORY! --L0ST
- Also removed 'related to Susan' because of the obvious reason that Klugh stated Michael didn't know his son very well was not because of relation to someone, but rather because Michael couldn't answer the questions she was asking about Walt. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:26, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
- There are infinitely many possible theories about events on Lost which there is no evidence against. To be worth mentioning on the main article, there must be a positive reason to believe it, not just the absence of a negative reason. TortureMeSayid 23:26, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
- I find it inherently racist that whenever a black person is introduced into the show some people automatically start questioning whether they're related to any/all other black people on the show. Why?! Because the same doesn't happen when a new white person is introduced to the show. I don't see any theories about Mr. Friendly being related to Malkin, etc., etc. Thinking about black people differently than white people wreaks of racism and I'm removing it from articles unless there is some evidence other than skin color that it may be true. --Xsg 23:46, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
- How can you find it racist? The color of someones skin is something that distinguishes a persons nationality. Which is evidence for relation. That is like saying that it is racist to assume that Claire and Jack are related. One of the main reasons that she is thought to be related to Jack is because the woman whos house she went to had BLONDE hair, just like Claire's. The place of origin also comes in the play because he was in Austraila. But saying that for certain a character is related to one another because of race that is in NO way racist. And the race of Klugh is not the only factor that comes into play. Also, the woman that Eko saw in the smoke looks EXTREMLY similar to Ms. Klugh and as the producers told us earlier in the season, the images in the smoke will become relevant. I think that this theory has enough information to be considered plausible and I find it racist and offensive that people are only assuming the reason she may be related to Eko is because she is African American. Maybe, you should take a look at yourself if you are only thinking that the reason thats she may be related to Eko is becaus she is African American. There is further back-up info that continues to allow this theory to be plausible and I think it is stupid that people are removing this theory because the only info they have related to this is they think the only reason they could be realated is because they are both African American. If that was the reason I added this theory, then couldnt I add thats she is realated to Micheal, Walt, and Susan? But no I did not because I am furthering on the hypothisis of Eko's smoke flashbacks.
- You say "The color of someone's skin is something that distinguishes a person's nationality." I disagree. What color are people from South Africa? What color are people from the United States? If you see a white person, what is their nationality? If you see a black person, what is their nationality? You cannot give me a definitive answer to any of these questions, and I maintain that generalizations based on skin color are inherently racist. That being said, I struck the "Eko might be related," theory and re-wrote one a bit more plausible, backed by evidence (some of which you mentioned). --Xsg 20:40, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
- I assumed that this person meant ethnicity and not nationality. Not even the most insanely agressive lamarckian biologist would claim that residing in one particular nation state would inherently alter ones biology. That said, the fact that there are two characters of the same approximate age, both of whom are of African descent does leave some room for speculation that they are related, given the numerous familial themes present in the show. Lacking further evidence I'd say it's more of a discussion theory than an article theory, but that's just from a lack of supporting evidence, not on editorial grounds. The theory is racist in the sense that it of course relies on race or ethnicity, which is a fact of human biology and must be considered in this context. It's not racist in the sense that it fosters discrimination and prejudice. --Frieze 09:30, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
We have no reason to believe she's related to anyone... For that matter, I could theorize that she's related to Jack. I don't think it makes sense to add it to this page until such time as there is some indication other than one user's gut feeling. --Admin 20:46, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
I don't think she looks like the woman in the smoke...despite being black.C.m. 06:44, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Thank you! I am not alone! The woman in the smoke looked both older and chunkier IMHGO--Tricksterson 09:48, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Bea
should we rename this "Bea (Ms.klugh)" just like we named mr friendly, "tom (mr.friendly)"? P.h 06:17, 28 May 2006 (PDT)p.h
- Yes, good idea. You may also want to disambiguate since there are a few links out there with "Dee" in them. —Dmuk § 13:00, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
- Yep, but I think we should go with "Ms. Bea Klugh" - she emphasised the "Ms" in 3 Minutes so it should be included, but we only include Mr Friendly in brackets as it was his unofficial name until Live Together, Die Alone --Oliyoung 22:43, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
4 Toes
She may only have 4 toes. This is seen when the Others are leading the Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer to the Pala Ferry. The 5th toe is definitely missing and/or blacked out. There is also a piece of material resembling a sandal similar to the 4-toed statue on the top of the foot.
- Can we get a screencap of that?
- -- Chris 14:41, 7 September 2006 (PDT)
Question moved from Theory section of Article
- Where are Bea, Pickett and Alex in A Tale of Two Cities, why aren't they with the others? Are they new "members", and if they are does this mean that the whole thing is a hoax?
- They are probably dealing with the other survivors that were part of the events at Pala Ferry.
- Aren't the only other survivors present Hurley, Michael and Walt, all of whom were sent to their various destinations?
- They are probably dealing with the other survivors that were part of the events at Pala Ferry.