Talk:Adam and Eve

If Adam and Eve are 50-60 years old they couldn't possibly be the DeGroots.--Tricksterson

Not only that, but a freeze frame of the Others on the raft resemble the DeGroots -- isn't Zeke supposed to be Gerald DeGroot? --Amberjet11 11:43, 19 May 2006 (PDT)

Can you back up the claim that Adam and Eve are Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan? I was told that they were abucted by aliens and now live in the 24th Century on a planet in the Delta Quadrant.

Nope, that why I put it under Theories.--Tricksterson 09:23, 24 March 2006 (PST)

Okay, but a theory isn't completely baseless so what's your supporting evidence? I know I sound nitpicky and whatever but I'm actually really curious because its an awesome theory and I hope it true.

All circumstancial. They appear to have come from rouughly the same era, the show has skirted around with other famous dissapearees (Ambrose Nierce and Glenn Miller), they're a man and woman together but also apparently alone except for each other in the South Pacific. Mostly it's just gut feeling.--Tricksterson 07:31, 25 March 2006 (PST)

Pic

Could someone find or screencap a pic for this page? I don't just mean a nice pic of decaying corpses...maybe one of the items they find on them? --Nickb123 15:52, 3 June 2006 (PDT)

Piccies added. Cappsy 09:00, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

It seems that the piccies Cappsy added have since gone again. Could somebody cleverer than me restore them please? I'm particularly interested to see if there are any further clues in the pics to support the Desmond/Penny theory.--TechNic 13:37, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Restored --Hit and miss 10:44, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Could This be Ben and Annie, or Jacob and ______ ?

A point of contention in the theories?

Now, being both Non-Jewish and Non-Mormon, I have no idea how to place a context on this theory. The main problem I have is that the article reads like an argument between two religious factions. Maybe the points raised (about wether the use of Urim and Thummim are theorized by Mormons or, a known part of Jewish tradition and history) are both correct, I don't know. I'm not a religious scholar, so I have no point of reference. Aside from this, the main body of text rambles a lot as if to justify itself about Judaic practises. And considering this is a theories section, the author of this piece has not even provided a thoery, just a reference to a website that has nothing to do with Lost. Does anyone know how to nominate for a cleanup? -- BlahDeBlahblah 03:31, 3 July 2006 (PDT)

Neither the Old and New Testament describes what the Urim and Thummim look like and how they are were used. Therefore, I believe we need to carefully state where the descriptions came from, (e.g., Jewish traditions, Jewish scriptures, Mormon traditions, mormon scriptures or simply a book of fiction or some one's imagination.) In fact, references to the sources would be best (including references to various scriptures)--Kaekae 06:49, 16 February 2008 (PST)

Being a Mormon, maybe i can help. Joseph Smith Jr described the Urim and Thummim as "two stones in silver bows-and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim". I'm not interested in a religious debate, I'm just trying to give a source for where the Urim and Thummim has been described Crash 17:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Stones

Any thoughts to what kind of stones they are? I'm guessing quartz or moonstone (white) and onyx (black). Fairly common collectable stones, which figure in certain mysticisms. More or less, quartz is "power" and onyx is "defense". - GoodRom 10:14, 8 December 2006 (PST)

Clothing, outfits

From what I can tell, they seem to be wearing what look like white scrubs? If there are any other photographs of Adam and Eve? Anyone else have a say? -Kilgore Trout

Someone mentioned that Adam and Eve were wearing Dharma Initiative jumpsuits, but I don't remember that from the show and the pic here doesn't show enough of the clothes to confirm that. Does anyone else know if this was true?

To me after watching the scene of Adam and Eve, the first corpse has a suit jacket on. I can t tell what the other one is wearing. -Gemini16

Not In Portland easter egg

the producers said that the episode Not in Portland have a clue that connects with adam and eve, the only clues are mittelos (lost time) and the backwards voice(only fools get enslaved by time and space) so maybe Adam and Eve are characters from the show who didn't get enslaved by time and space and lost the time--Shalaulakh 12:15, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Instead of the criptic Time traveling clues, Perhaps its got a more litteral meaing, that Desmond Lost the Time he would of had with Penny (presuming he won the race and got it together with penny), this would also explain the stones we saw in Desmond's flash back. The criptic time traveling part would be that they traveled back in time together to spend a life together, and thus died in the caves together --Hit and miss 10:35, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

• That's actually a really interesting explanation Hit and miss. I like that. I think I will rewatch that episode to see what I can come up with. --Diabolical Genius 19:24, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Further Talk on Desmond/Penny being the Skeletons

I dunno if this is true or not, but I heard somewhere that the two stones found by the skeletons are shown somewhere in Penny's apartment in the episode Flashes Before Your Eyes. This could possible mean that the two skeletons could indeed be Desmond and Penny, especially with the whole theme of 'Lost Time'. Anyone agree/disagree? Sorry I have no proof to back this up.. WallnutBoy|talk|contributions 17:00, 8 March 2007 (PST)

There are definitely two stones on a table in Desmond's apartment. Whether it's a legitimate link between Desmond/penny and Adam & Eve has yet to be revealed. --Jackdavinci 19:11, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

I just checked the scene that is supposed to show the stones on the table in Desmond/Penny's flat, on a very large monitor in HD it is clear that these "stones" are in fact just the bottle caps that came from the empty beer/Guiness bottles on the floor around Desmond.--Lenvegas 16:21, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

• These are absolutely only two bottle caps. See, the stones are unevenly round like pebbles from a river and the objects on the table are flat and circular like two big buttons. You can even see the differences in the pictures below. I will change the article accordingly. --Roger 06:19, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

The stones found on the bodies.

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The bottle caps on the table.

Discussed permanently squelched after Across the Sea. (Jack Dutton 06:58, May 12, 2010 (UTC))

Question

Since I do not have a recorded version of the episode with Adam and Eve, I cannot check this: is it shown how many fingers do the have? (in reference to the Statue) BeŻet 06:05, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Don't you mean how many toes? Crash 17:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Another Anagram

Edmund Burke anagrams to BUNKER MURDER. (Mind you, LOST TIME seems much nicer, but I thought this was interesting)--Foggy 08:34, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

No it doesn't. BUNKER MURDER contains 3 "R"'s while Edmund Burke only contains 1 "R". Also, Edmund Burke contains 2 "D"'s, and i'm pretty sure you need to use both of them. Nice try though :)--Baker1000 08:48, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Paulo Coelho

As a Brazilian, I feel that it is unfair to simply describe him as a "writer". He is a con man. A successful one, but a con man all the same. Luis Dantas 17:29, 23 July 2007 (PDT)

Male/Female

Has it been confirmed anywhere that the two bodies are one male/one female or are people running on this from the 'adam and eve' comment? --Audiorealis 00:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the conversation went something like

Kate: Who were these men?

Jack: Actually one of them is female.

Locke: Our very own Adam and Eve.

So the confirmation came from Jack.--Baker1000 00:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

"Laid to rest"

The wording here is a little odd to me. What evidence is there that they were laid to rest by someone? Perhaps they were alone and died there. --Stlgirl 17:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Jack mentioned they must have been laid to rest there. I don't know how he came to that conclusion though.--Baker1000 20:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Bernard & Rose?

I think the skeletons are Rose & Bernard. That's why the stones are black and white. Jack's just wrong about the skeletons being 40-50 years old.Lokiboy 02:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)lokiboy

• Well you gotta remember Rose and Bernard time traveled on the island so if they died there in the 70s, the 40-50 year old statement wouldn't be too far off. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jake46 (talk • contribs) .
  • If Adam and Eve are, indeed, wearing the Dharma jumpsuits (whic seems to be up for argument at the moment), it's highly unlikely it is Bernard and Rose, since they weren't part of the DI.
  • There is no reason to believe that Rose and Bernard didn't have jumpsuits. They could have gotten them from anywhere. They seem to be scavenging some type of existence in the Season Five finale (Jack Dutton 15:56, March 2, 2010 (UTC)).
• Adding to this theory, this was my first impression when I re-connected Adam and Eve in "Lighthouse" to "House of the Rising Sun." We have no reason to believe (yet) that Rose and Bernard flashed back to 2007 after Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb, which would leave them in 1970, to possibly die soon after, together. This would confirm the 40-50 year old statement, as Jake46 suggests. It is also possible that if there was any damage done to the cabin in which they resided, that they would seek shelter at the old caves, which would happen to be their final resting place. Subtracting from this theory, however, the question that remains is, why would Rose and Bernard, the two least cryptic (in my opinion) characters in the entire series just happen to have a pouch with the two rocks, which proves to be of such great symbolic importance later in the series? In the grander scheme of things, I suppose I would be expecting a more drastic and plot twisting revelation for our dear friends Adam and Eve. --Diabolical Genius 16:44, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Jacob?

Didn't Jacob have that stone at some point in the finale? Could it be pieces of backgammon?

Rename

• Can we rename this article to "The 'Adam and Eve' skeletons" if the show answers that they're someone we know? Because Adam and Eve have been a central mystery for 6 seasons and remvoign this article once it's answered would be a really bad move. --Orhan94 14:06, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, wouldn't we merge all the content here into their page? Like in "post-death" it'd say that their skeletons were found soon after the crash, what Jack said about the clothes, that they saw them again in 2007. But keeping them with that new name makes sense too. --Golden Monkey 14:17, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Will there be a "their" page? It's only two people. If together they do something sign ificant to move the plot, then yes; if all that happens is that they walk into the cave and lie down, then all we need are a couple of redirects. I like the proposed rename, but I'm not sure we need the internal quote marks. I flagged the article.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 15:04, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

• . The name has sufficed since 2006. There is no reason to change that now --LOST-Hunter61 17:14, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • I meant to rename if and once we get this msytery answered. If and only if they are characters we've already met. --Orhan94 17:21, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
• It's an established fan name based on canon. The "skeletons" disambiguation page already points to this one. Even if we find out who they are, this page should remain pretty much as-is. (Mirth23 20:39, April 27, 2010 (UTC))

adam and eve theories

Since the last ep Across the Sea has ended the user Sauronsmatrix has erased all of the fan theories about who Adam and Eve were. I feel that just because we know the identity of the skeletons now doesnt mean you should take out the things that ppl thought...its about the history and thought process of us losties while watching the show, and Sauronsmatrix edited the page and erased it all!!! When we found out what the whispers were we didnt go and erase the theories of what people thought!!!! so im asking nicely if someone would put it back the way it was!

the previous edit is in the history of the page but i personally dont know how to put it back!

The history is there. You can look at past versions of the page by clicking "history" at the top. But, we generally delete disproven theories fairly quickly. See LP:TP:("If a theory has been discredited due to the revelation of new facts from a reputable source (i.e. an episode), the theory should be removed from the theories page.") cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 02:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

About the deterioration of the bones

If the Mother, Nemesis and Jacob didn't age, why should the remains do it? It's clear that they have about 2000 years but if the island has something like curative properties, maybe it preserves things too.

--EinStriker 22:56, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

• Hawkdeath 22:59, May 12, 2010 (UTC)