Talk: Aaron Littleton

Trivia[]

This article has 2 trivia sections. Can someone fix that?--Sentient nebula 07:04, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

New Stuff About Aaron Coming Soon![]

In his comments posted to the discussion board thefuselage.com, one of the Lost writers Damon Lindelof, who goes by the name of "The Nomad" on that chat group, talks about the upcoming episodes for the second half of Season 3. He says: "The real fun has just begun. And we haven't forgotten about Penny Widmore. And we haven't forgotten about Locke's wheelchair. And we haven't forgotten about little Aaron. It's all COMING, baby!" ~~Saukkomies 24:02 18 February 2007 (EST)

Special child?[]

Walt is also "special", some kind of "psychic"... Does these two have sth. in common? --Raven66 13:56, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Pictures[]

Many people talk about the picture of desmond having the same woman that was going to adopt Aaron. Has anyone actually uploaded these pics? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cour002 (talk • contribs), 14:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC).

Small Changes[]

I made some slight changes to this entry. Most notably, Aaron's name: I changed the translation to something more directly relevant and correct, and added some links to wikipedia for further investigation. I also added a wiki-link to the Green Lantern comment, should anyone be interested in that mythology and how relevant it is to the Lost mythos. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lookup (talk • contribs), 02:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC).

photos of Aaron babies[]

I'm thinking of adding a table with closeups of Aaron babies used in various episodes. Usually the producers get 3 babies for any shooting day is what I heard, and that one older one was used repeatedly just because the directors thought it was delightful to work with.
Detailed info on the $10K Aaron robot baby model they use for medium and long shots would be interesting.

^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk01:31, 21 May 2006 (PDT)

- Nah, don't bother. He's not that sexy. NigelWebb 20:29, 24 May 2007 (PDT)

Random page[]

Is it just me or does "Random Page" always link here? --Blue eagle islander 17:48, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Bootie found in The Staff[]

Am I the only one who was bothered by the fact that Claire didn't wash off that bootie before letting Aaron put it in his mouth? Especially since there was talk of a sickness? Eww...I know they had soap and water in the Hatch at the time... --Amberjet11 09:45, 31 October 2006 (PST)

Aaron's name[]

When did Aaron Littleton become Aaron Littleton-Pace?--Outpost road 11:20, 15 February 2008 (PST)

I don't think he should even be called Littleton anymore. With Kate "adopting" him maybe the page should be renamed to Aaron Austen. Kajillion 22:14, 21 February 2008 (PST)

We should probably leave it "Littleton" for the time being. Even if his name is legally something else, it might not be to "Austen" if Kate claims to know who the "father" is. Even when this happens, it might not necessity a change in the name of the article, just an explanation of why this character has been known by multiple names in the article.Vegan T-Rex about me

Agreed that his last name is uncertain at this point, so what about renaming the article "Aaron"? There aren't any other Aarons to confuse him with. Of course, if we did that there would be a lot of contributors claiming that Claire's Aaron and Kate's Aaron are two different people. What do you think?--Bonefishj0e 13:46, 24 February 2008 (PST)

Aaron's Age[]

Aaron was born in late 2004. This flash forward takes place prior to bearded Jack, which took place at least in April of 2007. Aaron would be less than 2 years old when the trial takes place. He should not be 3 or 4 years old. Why the descrepancy? Samhain99 09:37, 22 February 2008 (PST)

What I don't understand is how Kate is passing Aaron off as her son. She wasn't pregnant when she boarded the plane- Aaron was born 11/2/04, like a month and a half later. I just think this is further hint that some type of time weirdness is going to come into play. Surely doctors would notice that Aaron is at least 6 months older than he should be. Plus, Eggtown seems to take place 2006/early 2007, and it doesn't seem like they're on the island past early 2005. Seems a few years get lost... --Piscez 19:48, 23 February 2008 (PST)
- Prior to her capture, Kate was on the run for some significant amount of time. Other than the Losties, who would know that Kate wasn't pregnant when she boarded the plane? Also, Aaron looks like a child anywhere from 18 months to 3.5 years old. He doesn't look like a four year old at all. And then, of course, we have all the time anomolies... so who knows what the date is. It has been purposefully vague so far.

Aaron Littleton or Aaron Austen-Ford[]

It seems too obvious that Aaron at the end of Eggtown is Aaron from the Island. Judging from James's reactions, Kate may have been testing James about her pregnancy. If she is pregnant, she could name her son in honor of Claire's son.

It seems at least possible that Charlie is haunting Hurley because Claire and Aaron did not get off the island. Giving his life for theirs was the deal he made, and a dead Charlie could be a little upset if Claire and Aaron aren't saved.

I think the article should at least leave open the possibility that Aaron Littleton is on the island, and Kate's Aaron is the child of Sawyer.

We can leave the option open -- even though it is about 99.79% certain that this Aaron is Claire's Aaron.

With what we still don't understand about time and it's affects on Islanders, we cannot use approximate age and approximate dates to settle anything.

I think that they made it painfully obvious to us that the Aaron that Kate has is the same Aaron we know. This could go on the theory page, but I think that saying that there is another Aaron on the island is over-analyzation. I think they wouldn't have left us on such a cliffhanger to turn around and say "fooled ya-it's another Aaron." I say it's correct as is until proven wrong. -- Sam McPherson T C E 19:31, 26 February 2008 (PST)

It probably is Claire's biological son, but it wouldn't be the first time that Lost has pulled a bait and switch gotcha on viewers, so until it's confirmed on-screen, we can't be 100% sure or dogmatic about it. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:53, 28 February 2008 (PST)

And here lies the bigger question ... Why isn't Aaron Littelton one of the Oceanic 6? The promos don't suggest that he is. And he would certainly be entitled to a Golden Pass and a huge settlement if he is. You don't think Auntie in Australia or Thomas, the biological father, wouldn't want a piece of that action. It is absurd to believe Kate, a known felon, would be allowed to adopt a child. (Jack Dutton 11:44, 28 February 2008 (PST))

Adoption Laws in the United States[]

It is against the law for Kate to adopt an Australian child.

From Mental Help Net:

The severity and length of time of past legal convictions (such as drug or alcohol convictions) is considered in making adoption decisions; any serious offense is typically enough to halt the process entirely. For example, no one previously convicted as a sexual offender is allowed to adopt children. Those who pursue domestic adoption with a felony offense on their record will face a long, hard road. Most agencies will not consider anyone with serious convictions due to the possible liability risks that the agency could face if harm later comes to the child. Those with a felony conviction will not be authorized to adopt internationally, per U.S. regulations. (http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=100440)

No adoption proceedings would be considered until Kate's legal battles are resolved. Aaron should have been put in foster care or returned to his next of kin. His biological father would have been given an opportunity to care for him. (Jack Dutton 11:53, 28 February 2008 (PST))

Interesting stuff. It's hard to say at this point if the show is ignoring laws like that, or if there's simply another explanation such as Kate lying and saying she's the biological mother. There's plenty of material covering this on the various theory pages if you'd like to weigh in there. --Minderbinder 12:12, 28 February 2008 (PST)

Everything in the show suggests that Kate has not adopted Aaron. She has presented Aaron to the world as her own child. Dharmatel4 16:08, 28 February 2008 (PST)

Because he is really her child with James Ford. (Jack Dutton 11:29, 2 March 2008 (PST))

I just watched the 02/25/08 podcast and it confirms that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron. -- LOSTonthis darnisland 02:08, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Aaron Austen?[]

So, if the public view Aaron as Kate child, should a note be made that people call him Aaron Austen? --Phil (talk) 12:31, 24 February 2008 (PST)

No, because it hasn't been shown explicitly yet. That's an assumption. It's a good one, but it belongs on the theories page for now. When it is confirmed, it'll be added to the page. -- Sam McPherson T C E

Even if its shown explicitly, there is no reason to change the name. The article names should reflect present-time on the Island rather than whats shown in a flashforward. Dharmatel4 19:50, 26 February 2008 (PST)

I agree. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:54, 28 February 2008 (PST)

Claires Aaron?[]

There is a chance that it is not even Claire's Aaron. It has not been explicitly said yet. There is just as much chance that Kate in fact did get pregnant on the island by Sawyer. If it was Sawyers baby that would still make sense as to why Jack doesn't want to see him. Just a thought anyway.Matthew7785 03:10, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

It has been confirmed by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse in the most recent podcast that the trailer that ran at the end of the "Meet Kevin Johnson" which showed Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron correctly showed us the Oceanic Six. It definitely IS Aaron Plkrtn talk contribs email 05:25, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

Really one of the ocenaic six?[]

Are we sure that Aaron is one of the oceanic six? if he is off the island, shouldnt Claire be off it too, unless she died? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nzoomed (talk • contribs) 18:24, 30 April 2008.

Yes, we are sure. Claire was pregnant on the plane, and the baby survived as Aaron. He has been confirmed one of the 6. -- LOSTonthis darnisland 06:09, 30 April 2008 (PDT)
It was confirmed in There's No Place Like Home, Part 1 that Aaron is one of The Oceanic 6Cgmv123 16:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not claire's Aaron[]

If it is aaron in 4X04 why wouldn't Jack want to see him?i think that he is sawyer's(and kate's) child(because on the island the others taught that kate was pregnant(and she had sex many times with sawyer) when they sent the blonde chick to get the pregnant women), and if it is sawyer's child it makes sense why jack is not really glad to see him because he loves kate(that's what he said after the trial) and kate said to him that he will not go to coffee with him until he agrees to se him(the child) please respond. If so, who's the sixth of the oceanic six?because she was pregnant when she left the island(or is the child in her womb the sixth)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thealch3m1st (talk • contribs) 2008-04-30T07:29:51.

Jack and Claire find out that they are brother & sister, thus Jack doesn't want to see Aaron, otherwise he will feel guilty about his sister Claire still being on the island, or dead. --Lostie247 05:43, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

See plkrtn's reply in the previous section. It's been confirmed as Claire's Aaron by the producers. -- LOSTonthis darnisland 06:07, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

What Aaron Eats[]

I put these questions on this page and they were deleted. WHY? -- Cayzle

What does Aaron eat?
If Claire breast feeds Aaron, how is he fed after Claire abandons him?
If Claire breast feeds Aaron, how did Kate convince the rescue authorities she was the mother when she is not lactating?

UQ sections are for major mysteries presented by the show, not for viewer musings. Asking what a character eats is like asking where the characters go to the bathroom. It doesn't matter. All you need to know is that the character is still alive, so the character hasn't starved to death yet. If you read this essay, it might clear up for you the intended use of the UQ sections. Robert K S (talk) 08:32, 23 May 2008 (PDT)

This is known as suspension of disbelief. Its amusing that of all the bizarre things happening on Mystery Freakin Island, that anyone would question the baby food. Maybe there is DHARMA-brand baby food on the pallet drops. How cruel would that be? You drop a pallet full on mushed carrots onto an island where no one can give birth!

Kevrock talk contribs 15:31, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

Rename[]

Since "Aaron Austen" is his legal name, and the name he is know as by the series current "now", it is a obvious rename. --Pierre 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree that name is his "facade" or "fake" name. It may be his legal name and the name the the world knows him as, but we all know that is real name is Littleton. -- CTS Talk Contribs 21:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Disagree Austen is his alias, just like Monica was Kate's alias when she got married, her real name is Kate, his real name is Littleton--Rod 16:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Inclined to agree Technically, he never had a birth certificate. He's also never been specifically called "Aaron Littleton" on the show as far as I can remember. For all intents and purposes, his name is now Aaron Austen. --Pyramidhead 22:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

This is a splitting hairs argument. The fact is his mother was Claire Littleton... What do you expect his surname would be? Plkrtn 23:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Disagree as per the unsigned vote above, Austen is an alias. --LeoChris 03:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's not an alias if it is now his legal name, and the one everyone calls him. Kate has been his mother longer than Claire, and she almost certainly gave him her last name when she took care of his legal status. So Aaron Austen it is. --Pyramidhead 04:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Austen is just a part of the cover-up story. His true last name is Littleton, and no documents or anything can change his real identity. -- CTS Talk Contribs 04:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree as per CTS. He was born under the name Littleton. Shoud not change his last name just because Kate is taking care of him.--Mistertrouble189 05:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Agree - Heck, rename to just 'Aaron'. You could argue we don't know his surname, but it certainly isn't Littleton. We don't even know 'Charlie Hume' 's surname is Hume. --Xbenlinusx 06:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Disagree - by this logic we should rename John Locke's article to Jeremy Bentham.--Ranat 23 03:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Disagree - by this logic we should rename John Locke's article to Jeremy Bentham.--pastoryam12 09:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Nice that you both agree, but that logic fails because "John Locke" has been repeatedly stated as the character's name. "Aaron Littleton" was never issued a birth certificate to that effect, nor has he ever been referred to by that name. He's lived with Kate for three years, compared to the three months he spent with his mom ditched him. For all we know, she may never see him again. His name is now Aaron Austen. --Pyramidhead 23:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Disagree - Aaron Austen is an alias we didn't rename Lockes Jeremy Bentham or Michaels Kevin Johnson. All that reall matters is we know his name and it is Littelton.--Czygan84 01:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Disagree - He is known as Aaron Littleton to everyone first and foremost. We can redirect and mention Aaron Austen as his off-island name, but his name is blatantly Aaron Littleton, and I'm sure the original baby was credited as such in early press releases. William Blanchette is simply credited "Aaron". Try and Google Search and see what comes up between the two names, Aaron Littleton comes up with lots of information regarding Lost, Aaron Austen however comes up with Facebook results and information about a porn star! Plkrtn 23:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Disagree - Although a comment above said we don't know Aaron's true surname (because he dad left), Claire's last name is Littleton and she was taking care of him. I think making a new page and redirecting it here would be best because we all know who Aaron is, so it doesn't really matter what we call him.--4 8 15 16 23 42|talkPJ0505:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Neither - Has either name been stated on the show? If not can't it just be "Aaron" until we get confirmation either way? Congested 01:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Neither - Why not Aaron Littleton Austen? To focus on his true full name and show that he is Claire's child too. ♥meggie ~ Talk & contribs 03:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

DECISION... NO RENAME. There is also already a redirect in place, and also comment on the name he's known under to the world. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 15:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Centric?[]

Should "There's No Place Like Home" be listed as a centric episode for Aaron as one of the Oceanic Six?

Yes, I think so. Also one of the flashes from the future flashes off aaron and onto baby aaron, so that would support it. I think it's when they are in the raft before they get picked up by Penny.Congested 01:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. He is a member of the Oceanic Six. Just because he doesn't have the lines, or the intricate story progression dialogue of the adults, some seem to rate him as below the rest of the survivors. The Oceanic Six had its flash and as suggested by the user above, the flashes progressed using him before and after the Island in the episode too. You could also argue the Claire episode about giving him up for adoption, and the Kate episode about the legal fight over him, were just as centric on Aaron, even if the camera wasn't pointed at him all the time. Plkrtn talk contribs email 15:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Aaron has never had a FF/FB from his perspective in any episode. With the exception of episodes without them (IE, This Place is Death) and ones where the FB/FF character isn't in the main events (IE, Because You Left) that's what shows centricity. Hence, Aaron has had zero centric episodes. Golden Monkey 21:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree: In There's no place like home parts 2&3 there is quite clearly an Aaron flashforward, with the flashes going from toddler to baby Aaron. --Frw22 19:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

The person who updated the Aaron page forgot to add in the part about the first time they went to see Cassidy. Just thought they maybe forgot. I assume it was before her trial since he was a baby. Snlfreak305 23:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Create a new flash-sideways page for Aaron[]

I think a flash-sideways page should be created for Aaron. Yes, he isn't born yet, but he is still in terms of the story and plot, a character which is mentioned and interacted with. (e.g. Ethan examining him with the sonogram) Therefore for reference and linking purposes he deserves a page. Gingle87 20:01, February 17, 2010 (UTC)Gingle87

Centric Episode[]

"There's No Place Like Home" was Oceanic Six-centric. Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six. I see no reason not to include it here. TomCaruso 00:16, July 13, 2010 (UTC)TomCaruso

No flashes showed his point of view. "The Other 48 Days" is tailies-centric, but we don't include it in Emma's nonexistent centric tally. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 00:34, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Well, maybe it should. I think the first scene is from everybody's POV, and Aaron should be inlcuded. The problem is that we're only thinking about main characters here. Lest we forget: Rose, Bernard, Desmond, Frank, Naomi, and I think Ilana... all guest stars when they got flashbacks. Frank was making his first appearance, Desmond his fourth; Naomi's was posthumous. Aaron had been on the show since the first season and appeared a lot more than any of those listed. I think he warrants a mention.
The first flash? When everybody is getting off the plane? That's Kate's POV. There's a transition to and from her at the end of the sequence. All the guest stars you list here were clear and indisputable case of centricity and POV. Aaron seems like a stretch to me. --LeoChris 07:07, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

"To be seen to be born on the Island"[]

From the Trivia section: "Aaron is the character to be seen to be born on the Island who did not also die there."

Uh... what?? --Celebok 02:00, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I think I figured it out. It's trying to say that out of all the characters that we know were born on the Island, Aaron is the only one who didn't die on the Island. I suppose I could try rewording it so it makes more sense, but honestly, I don't even think it's worth mentioning. I can only think of two other characters who were born on the Island -- Ethan and Alex. Doesn't really seem significant that one out of three characters survived the Island. Anyone else object to removing that line completely? --Celebok 21:15, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I removed it. --Celebok 08:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

In Claire's Womb- Episode Count[]

Do we count his episodes when Claire is pregnant? Ocie14 17:06, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we do right now. And I'm really not sure we should anyway... This would create a really nasty precedent (Ji-Yeon, Eloise being pregnant with Daniel in 77, etc.) LeoChris 19:58, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Baby Aaron[]

Dont the babies who played aaron as a baby need to be listed?--Miamazing 10:31, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

They are, but there were so many we couldn't possibly know all of them, and it would be outrageous to list them all under the portrayed by heading of the infobox. See Aaron#Casting for a partial list.--Baker1000 17:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)