Talk: ?

For those that get gipped by Comcast's DVR, what happened in the last minute. Hurley went to Libby's bedside and....?

uttered, "Michael" then she died. user:nusentinsaino

Jack thought she was asking how Michael was and responded "He's fine".

And then it zoomed in on Michael, the same shot that was in last week's trailer, and then it zoomed in on the computer while the timer beeped in the background. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:40, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Dr Marvin Candle stated another name in this film, someone will have to go back to their VCR and replay to get the name (or however much of the name they can decipher). However, the producers were very clear to point out that in the station 3 Orientation film, Dr Candle has a prosthetic left arm. Either this is his twin (good twin/bad twin - a recurring theme), or the good Dr 'lost' his arm in some 'incident'. Again, someone will have to go back to the VCR to get the copyright date of this film, and compare to the station 3 film to see if he could have lost an arm after the pearl film.

It's possible that the producers lied. They've done so before. Both orientation clips are copyrighted 1980.

Also, the article is incorrect in stating that the observers watch the activities of station 3. The film said they observe people performing their task in another station, and the station was not specified, nor was the task. Locke naturally assumed, with his growing doubt, that it was CVIII. Eko didn't think so. user:ajholloway Well one of the monitors shows station 3 and Jack walking around in it. So if they observe only one station, it appears to be The Swan.
--Porter 05:51, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

• That's an assumption though. It is never explicitly stated the team in the Pearl is supposed to monitor station 3. There are 6 screens (if I remember correctly), just because only one is currently linked to a functional camera (station 3) doesn't mean that station 3 was always the observed station. For all anyone knows, each Pearl team was given a different station to monitor when they started. There is an insinuation that the Swan was the station they were observing, but I think you will find that will be proved to be incorrect. On a side note, it is interesting there was a camera in Pearl as well, almost like that station was being monitored as well. Also, on the topic of Marvin Candle; perhaps the Pearl video was shot before the Swan video (even though they are both dated 1980) and MC lost his arm in the "incident". The whole one arm thing... and the possible good/bad twin thing reminds me of another ABC show... Twin Peaks.--Isotope23 07:28, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
• The "print report" function printed out, presumably, each time the numbers were entered, which indicates the Swan was being monitored visually and electronically from the Pearl and was therefore one of the experiments. --MoJo 07:36, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
• In the Orientation-video, in one scene there is the top left monitor active. It shows people already working in what appears to be the dome of station 3. Screenshot. Maybe they are just some actors for the Orientation-Video... Porter 12:33, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

There's a frame in the montage where we see Eko's brother's face in the black smoke. Maybe everyone see's something different when they're confronted by it. What did Locke see?--Angrytrousers 06:31, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I thought it was the transition from another scene, or it all mixed together for effect.--Bremerton 19:20, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Even when Locke dreams he is Eko he still walks with a limp--MoJo 07:07, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I noticed that too and wondered why he was limping. Now that you mention it, it makes sense. Thanks. --Rossiini (talk) 20:19, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

More than one version of the Orientation film?

I've seen it mentioned several times that Candle's voice was garbled when he gave his name in this orientation film. Yet, the name sounded perfectly clear to me (Mark Whitman or Wickman). I wonder if there were different versions of the broadcast transmitted or placed online?

copying and pasting from wikipedia = bad

Are we stooping to that level? was this website not created so that this community can talk about lost, we don't need no stinkin' wikipedia to copy and paste articles from, we're lean mean lost watching machines. iI tought I saw a lostpedia user synopsis last night.        talk contribs                   18:57, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

We are getting our fair share of street cred, don't ruin it by Ctrl-C-Ctrl-V-ing our credibility away!!!! As a matter of fact our whole Season 1 page MUST go, it was copypasted last year and nobody has bothered to create individual entries for episodes. any volunteer? †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --19:08, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Maybe this weekend I'll reorganize some things on the season 1 page, nighty night.        talk contribs                   19:09, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Dream Montage

I added the montage section based on what TiVo showed me. I think the dark face in the shadows (which is what I wrote initially) isn't Yemi at all, it has something to do with the game. Without spoiling, can anyone confirm that it is in fact Yemi in the smoke and not something from the web? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Verso (talk • contribs) ..

Don't forget that this episode won't air in the UK for a while and they're in on the game, so I doubt the game will really tie in soon.--Bremerton 09:45, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Spoilers?

To any admin, here's an interesting little tidbit we put together over at Lost.Forum. It may have slight SPOILERS though, so if you don't want to know, don't read.

My question here is - should I add a spoilers bar before adding it to theories?

In the post-finale Podcast, Damon read a question that asked why the writers threw the monster on the back burner (besides Ecko's eye-to-eye) during Season Two. Damon very carefully and hesitantly replied by saying: "You guys saw the monster this year, but just didn't realize you were looking at the monster." Cool, huh? But not much to go on.

Then, on The Fuselage, Gregg Nations (LOST Script Coordinator) says this: "Yes, I know what they meant. They are kind of devilish to put that hint out there like that, aren't they? I can give you a further hint: they are referring to an espisode after "The 23rd Psalm." That was episode 10, so it's basically in the second half of the season. Good luck finding it. And enjoy rewatching the episodes.

Listing possibilities from Episode 11 on:

• 2.11 - Others' Torches/Smoke
• 2.12 - Charlie's Visions
• 2.18 - Dave.
• 2.21 - Yemi in Locke and Eko's Visions
• 2.23 - Hurley-Bird
• 2.24 - The Crazy White Sky

There was quite a bit of back-and-forth, especially on Dave. But putting two and two together, here's what I really think:

"Very, very interesting. If this is true, I'm thinking that it's actually Yemi, and not Dave. Why?

Well, originally when I heard the podcast, I immediately thought it was the horse or some other hallucination (not Walt, who I think was really astral projecting). But since he said specifically it was after the 23rd Psalm, that suggests something happened in that episode that would make the monster appear (but not be seen) again later.

Eko certainly seemed to have impressed or, at very least, forged some sort of bond with the monster when it read his mind. And we know that Locke also has likely seen the monster, possibly having had the same sort of experience with it. Therefore, it seems to me, that the monster knew what was going through Locke's mind, knew what would happen when the button wasn't pushed, and tried to stop it using his good old friend Eko to help his original old friend John find his way by appearing as Yemi (and Ana) in both their dreams.

Very exciting. It certainly raises the possibility that the monster is a self-aware being, capable of self-preservation." --Jmast7 15:58, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Feel free to add it to the appropiate section in The Monster. --†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 16:49, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Thanks! :) --Jmast7 16:52, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Merging

This article should not be merged with The Questionmark, because the episode's official title is "?". --Jambalaya 13:15, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

rename and disambig

because of the renaming of The Questionmark to The ? (Pearl Exterior), perhaps rename this to ? (Episode), make a disambig, and adjust redirects and links to reflect this? just a thought. --kaini. 21:17, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

I agree, this article should go to ? (episode), and ? would be the disambig. --Phmall

• Agree--CaptainInsano
• Done and done. --SilvaStorm

Rename

• Keeping in the essence of Wikipedia, the page for ? should be designated to the actual episode. --SilvaStorm
• Disagree Here at Lostpedia not all disambig's have the (Disambiguation). Pages should only have (Disambiguation) when there is one major element on the page like Tom (disambiguation). Most people will be looking for Mr. Friendly, not a minor flashback character. This should remain as is, many people link to ? when referring to the Pearl hatch. Also see Dave and Talk:Dave#Renaming. -- Paladine<c.t> 05:44, 8 November 2006 (PST)
• Diagree We aren't Wikipedia. As Paladine says, Disambiguation as a page title only occurs when you have a list of characters named Tom that are secondary to the character everyone knows as Tom. The articles Paladine lists show the consistency. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  01:00, 10 November 2006 (PST)

• Keep It's my understanding that disambig pages, at least on this site, are all named by the most common and simplest name (that's the point in a disambiguation... so that people can type in a simple name and it gives you choices how to reroute). It would defeat the purpose by making it longer with "(Disambiguation)" after it, then you'd have to reroute there from "?" PS: Even if you followed wikipedia's lead (which, as plk pointed, we do not here), it wouldn't be consistant. They do not have disambigs in the title when there are only a small number of pages and/or there is not one clear most hit page (see this example, for keyword "sawgrass"). --PandoraX 19:42, 19 November 2006 (PST)
• Comment The question here is whether a user searching for ? is likely to mean the overwhelming majority of the time only one or the other of the episode by this title or the blast door map question mark. If not, i.e., if there is not an unambiguous majority usage, then ? should remain the disambig page. Robert K S 07:09, 13 December 2006 (PST)
  • Just talked this over with Nickb123 in IRC. We'll change ? to the episode. In relation to Robert KS's comments above, I agree, and claim that:
    1. the blast door question mark doesn't merit a separate article,
    2. the episode is the overwhelming majority definition,
    3. the exterior grass marking is a minority definition, and
    4. the exterior grass marking should probably be named with text, e.g. [[Question mark]], rather than by the symbol "?". The only reason the episode uses the symbol, is because that is explicitly the title; however the naming of the grass marking is not explicitly a symbol, and is even spelled out in our transcripts as Eko asks Locke about "The question mark". I think it's unlikely that of readers of lostpedia would enter the symbol to search for the "pearl hatch entrance", and if so, it would be a rare event.

    Also, in cases where there are only two possible meanings (and to me, the 2nd is a stretch because it shouldn't be a symbol), there is no need for a disambiguation page; just add a single disambig line to the top of each article. However, if we want a disambiguation page, then IMHO [[? (disambiguation)]] should be that page, since the majority usage is for the episode.

    Will still need to check with plkrtn, as I think there is still disagreement. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  ^Talk  17:04, 16 December 2006 (PST)