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| − | | place=[[The |
+ | | place=[[The ocean]] |
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+ | | combatants=Unknown group vs. [[Sawyer's group]] ([[Charlotte]], [[Daniel]], [[Juliet]], [[Locke]], [[Miles]], [[Sawyer]]) |
| − | | outcome=Survivors' victory |
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| + | | outcome=Stalemate |
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| − | The '''outrigger chase''' was a shootout between two groups of |
+ | The '''outrigger chase''' was a shootout between two groups, one of those made up of the [[survivors]] and the [[science team|freighter team]]. A [[time flash]] cut the battle short, and neither group learned the others' identity. {{crossref|5x04}} |
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+ | ==Lead-up== |
{{I|I=5x04 CampNoMore.jpg|w=200|a=left|c=The [[survivors]] find their abandoned [[beach camp]].}} |
{{I|I=5x04 CampNoMore.jpg|w=200|a=left|c=The [[survivors]] find their abandoned [[beach camp]].}} |
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+ | After a [[time shift]], [[Sawyer's group]] found themselves in daylight and made their way to the [[beach]]. They found that the [[beach camp|camp]] existed at that moment, but seemed disheveled, with a number of the structures in disrepair and all the supplies either stolen or consumed. The group boarded a [[outrigger|canoe]] they found at the beach and began in the water, planning to row closer to the [[Orchid]] station. |
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| + | According to [[Black Rock journal entry transcript|supplementary material]] in the final [[Lost: The Complete Collection (DVD)|DVD compilation]], six men from the ''[[Black Rock]]'' were also in the water, having traveled through time after leaving their main ship. Around December 15th, 1867, the ''Black Rock'' had become stuck inside the pull of [[the Island]] unable to escape. The crew of the ship began showing symptoms of time flashes. |
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| + | ==Conflict== |
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| − | {{I|I=AjiraBottle.jpg|a=right|w=200|c=An [[Ajira water bottle]], found inside one of the canoes}} |
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| + | {{I|I=OutriggerChasePortal.jpg|a=right|w=200|c=Juliet on the outrigger. {{crossref|5x04}}}} |
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| − | With no one nor the [[Zodiac]] in sight, the group wondered where everyone had gone. Noticing a pair of wooden [[outrigger canoes]], they speculated that the other [[survivors]] may have fled from attackers. Inside one of the canoes, Sawyer found a [[Ajira water bottle|water bottle]] with a label for [[Ajira Airways]], which [[Juliet]] recognized as an international [[airline]] based in [[India]]. They took one of the outriggers and began paddling toward [[the Orchid]]. After a short while, they noticed that an unknown group of people were pursuing them in the other outrigger. As the other canoe gained on them, the people in it began to shoot. After trying to escape for a while, the group had Juliet returning fire with a [[rifle]], apparently hitting one of the pursuers. Before the pursuers could get any closer, there was another [[time flash]]. |
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| + | The two groups noticed each other, and those in the aft outrigger opened fire. |
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| − | ==Explanation from the producers== |
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| − | In an [http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-Lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea interview], the producers declared they probably won't solve the outrigger chase mystery: |
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| − | '''Okay, finally, I have to ask, simply because it's been driving me nuts for a year and a half: what's going on with showing the other half of the outrigger shootout?''' |
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| + | Sawyer's group paddled harder to escape, then Juliet returned fire with a [[rifle]], apparently hitting one of the pursuers. Before the battle escalated any further, another [[time shift]] occurred. |
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| − | Carlton Cuse: The outrigger shootout is not something we're bending around in gyrations so we can solve it. In the grand scheme of the show, that is a fairly obscure piece of the show. It is your particular obsession... |
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| + | ==Aftermath== |
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| − | Damon Lindelof: ...and you're not alone in it. |
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| + | Sawyer's group found themselves in the middle of a storm, but they successfully made it back to shore. None ever saw their attackers again. One member of the party, Miles, was later present during the ''Black Rock'''s final destruction in a dynamite explosion. {{crossref|6x12}} |
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| − | CC: You're not alone in it. And yes, it would have been great if we had had the opportunity to close the time loop. But you can't get everything done and keeping the narrative going in a straight line. This is one of those things where we made a very conscious choice to ask, "What are the big questions? And most importantly, what are the paths of these characters? Where do they lead?" And we followed those paths and tried not to trip ourselves up getting too diverted from that. We felt that that's the thing that's ultimately going to make the finale work or not work. We got to the point where we made the finale we wanted to make, that was our approach, and I think it was the only approach we could take. We sat here in my office, had breakfast every day for six years, talked about the show, and we used this gut check methodology, where if we both loved something and thought it was cool, that would go in. We applied that same methodology to the finale, and that was the only way we could do it. We came up with a finale that we thought was cool, that was emotional and one we really liked. That's the best we could do. |
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| + | {{Non-canon}} |
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| + | Juliet's gunshot did not kill her target, but all but one of the sailors later jumped out of the canoe to their deaths, evidently suffering from the same "cabin fever" that plagued the ''Kahana'''s crew. The sole survivor returned to the main ship. No further parties entered the water. A few days later, however, a storm began, sending the main ship crashing on to the Island. The entire crew died there. {{crossref|6x09}} |
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| + | ==Creator commentary== |
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| − | DL: When we wrote that scene and somebody started shooting at them, we knew exactly who was shooting at them. That is not a dangling thread that we don't know the answer to. That being said, as we started talking about paying that off this season, it felt like the episode was at the service of closing the time loop, as opposed to what the characters might actually be doing in that scenario. It never felt organic. We decided we would rather take our lumps from the people who couldn't scratch that itch than to produce an episode that was in service of putting people in an outrigger and getting shot at. |
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| + | {{I|I=Black_Rock_Journal_2.jpg|a=right|w=200|c=Reverse side.}} |
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| + | {{I|I=Black_Rock_Journal_1.jpg|a=right|w=200|c=''Black Rock'' Journal Entry.}} |
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| + | The producers originally planned to "close the loop" by revisiting the outrigger chase in Season 6.<ref>[http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea ''Hitflix'': Exclusive interview: 'Lost' producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse talk 'Across the Sea'] Alan Sepinwall; 05/12/2010</ref> Incorporating the scene proved logistically challenging - according to [[Damon Lindelof]], half the characters they'd originally envisioned as the attackers "had been killed off". Returning to the old mystery also interfered with the season's flow, said Lindelof, diverting attention from subjects that mattered to the characters. Several scenes involving outriggers appeared nonetheless. Lindelof acknowledged that fans seeking answers could interpret the scenes as "taunting". He later joked on Twitter that [[Wikipedia:Oprah Winfrey|Oprah]] was in the outrigger.<ref>[https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/73577472431632384 Twitter: @DamonLindelof] Damon Lindelof; May 25, 2011</ref> |
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| ⚫ | [[Jorge Garcia]] claimed that a script revealed the attackers' identities, but the scene had never been filmed. He announced his intention to find the old script after moving back to Los Angeles. <ref>[http://www.mediafire.com/?o2avbbpv9v99u1d ''Geronimo Jackson's Beard'': The last GJB] Jorge Garcia; 08/24/2010</ref> |
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| − | '''You put people in a lot of outriggers this season. It feels, frankly, like you're taunting me.''' |
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| + | At one point, the mysterious second group was implied, in a semi-canonical source, to be crewmen of the ''[[Black Rock]]''. |
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| − | DL: We can't entirely deny that we're taunting you. |
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| + | The attackers' identity remains a mystery. Damon Lindelof, more than a year after the series finale, said "The outrigger box will stay unchecked".<ref name="ComicCon2011">[http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/lost-producers-reunite-at-comic-con-present-new-footage HitFix: 'Lost' Producers Reunite at Comic-Con, Present New Footage] Alan Sepinwall; July 22, 2011</ref> |
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| − | CC: Honestly, though, the logistics of getting all the participants in the outriggers in the configuration that was on the A-side of the time loop was actually really daunting. |
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| + | In 2014, at the 10th anniversary PaleyFest panel, Damon and Carlton were once again asked the question about the attackers' identity. Damon stated that they felt it would be "cooler" to leave it unanswered, but confirmed that the episode script contained the answer. They also hinted that perhaps one day the script would be auctioned off for charity, but until then the identity of those in the outrigger will remain a mystery. <ref name="PlayFest2014">[http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/17/lost-10th-anniversary-paleyfest/ Entertainment Weekly: 'Lost' 10th anniversary reunion] Stephanie Robbins; Mar 17, 2014</ref> |
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| − | DL: Considering half of them had been killed off |
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| − | CC: It's not like we didn't want to do it. Like Damon says, it was just too much of a narrative deviation to do it.}} |
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| − | ==Black Rock journal entry== |
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| + | {{Nav-Battles}} |
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| − | The [[Black Rock journal]] entry page included in the [[Lost: The Complete Collection (DVD)]] seems to imply members of the Black Rock crew were in the attacking outrigger (even though this would imply that the [[Ajira water bottle]] would be in the same time period as the members of the crew, explained in the journal by the fact that the crew would have also suffered [[time flashes|time flash]] symptoms) |
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| − | ==Statement from Jorge Garcia== |
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| − | On September 24th 2010 Beth stated through the GJB podcast that it was Ben whom was intended to be shooting at the outrigger. |
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| − | "Okay, so here's the deal regarding the OUTRIGGER ISSUE: We went back and looked at the scripts, but since new pages were put in that deleted the scene and the original pages were tossed, we don't know specifics on the answer to the outrigger scene. BUT, when we listened to the unedited GJB for #604, we say that it was BEN in the other boat shooting at them" |
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| − | *Who ransacked the beach camp? |
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Latest revision as of 20:29, 13 August 2014
The outrigger chase was a shootout between two groups, one of those made up of the survivors and the freighter team. A time flash cut the battle short, and neither group learned the others' identity. ("The Little Prince")
Lead-up
The survivors find their abandoned beach camp.
After a time shift, Sawyer's group found themselves in daylight and made their way to the beach. They found that the camp existed at that moment, but seemed disheveled, with a number of the structures in disrepair and all the supplies either stolen or consumed. The group boarded a canoe they found at the beach and began in the water, planning to row closer to the Orchid station.
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Non-Canon alert! This article/section contains information that was shown or released via an official source such as ARGs or extended media (video games, books), however it has no canonical merit to the overall Lost mythos. |
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According to supplementary material in the final DVD compilation, six men from the Black Rock were also in the water, having traveled through time after leaving their main ship. Around December 15th, 1867, the Black Rock had become stuck inside the pull of the Island unable to escape. The crew of the ship began showing symptoms of time flashes.
Conflict
Juliet on the outrigger. ("The Little Prince")
The two groups noticed each other, and those in the aft outrigger opened fire.
Sawyer's group paddled harder to escape, then Juliet returned fire with a rifle, apparently hitting one of the pursuers. Before the battle escalated any further, another time shift occurred.
Aftermath
Sawyer's group found themselves in the middle of a storm, but they successfully made it back to shore. None ever saw their attackers again. One member of the party, Miles, was later present during the Black Rock's final destruction in a dynamite explosion. ("Everybody Loves Hugo")
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Non-Canon alert! This article/section contains information that was shown or released via an official source such as ARGs or extended media (video games, books), however it has no canonical merit to the overall Lost mythos. |
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Juliet's gunshot did not kill her target, but all but one of the sailors later jumped out of the canoe to their deaths, evidently suffering from the same "cabin fever" that plagued the Kahana's crew. The sole survivor returned to the main ship. No further parties entered the water. A few days later, however, a storm began, sending the main ship crashing on to the Island. The entire crew died there. ("Ab Aeterno")
Creator commentary
Reverse side.
Black Rock Journal Entry.
The producers originally planned to "close the loop" by revisiting the outrigger chase in Season 6.[1] Incorporating the scene proved logistically challenging - according to Damon Lindelof, half the characters they'd originally envisioned as the attackers "had been killed off". Returning to the old mystery also interfered with the season's flow, said Lindelof, diverting attention from subjects that mattered to the characters. Several scenes involving outriggers appeared nonetheless. Lindelof acknowledged that fans seeking answers could interpret the scenes as "taunting". He later joked on Twitter that Oprah was in the outrigger.[2]
Jorge Garcia claimed that a script revealed the attackers' identities, but the scene had never been filmed. He announced his intention to find the old script after moving back to Los Angeles. [3]
At one point, the mysterious second group was implied, in a semi-canonical source, to be crewmen of the Black Rock.
The attackers' identity remains a mystery. Damon Lindelof, more than a year after the series finale, said "The outrigger box will stay unchecked".[4]
In 2014, at the 10th anniversary PaleyFest panel, Damon and Carlton were once again asked the question about the attackers' identity. Damon stated that they felt it would be "cooler" to leave it unanswered, but confirmed that the episode script contained the answer. They also hinted that perhaps one day the script would be auctioned off for charity, but until then the identity of those in the outrigger will remain a mystery. [5]
Unanswered questions
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- For fan theories about these unanswered questions, see: Outrigger chase/Theories
- Who was in the other outrigger?
References
- ↑ Hitflix: Exclusive interview: 'Lost' producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse talk 'Across the Sea' Alan Sepinwall; 05/12/2010
- ↑ Twitter: @DamonLindelof Damon Lindelof; May 25, 2011
- ↑ Geronimo Jackson's Beard: The last GJB Jorge Garcia; 08/24/2010
- ↑ HitFix: 'Lost' Producers Reunite at Comic-Con, Present New Footage Alan Sepinwall; July 22, 2011
- ↑ Entertainment Weekly: 'Lost' 10th anniversary reunion Stephanie Robbins; Mar 17, 2014