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Kris White: Why did the Oceanic Six lie? What is the Orchid Station? And are Storm Troopers really bad? Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse will ponder those questions and more in today's Official Lost Audio Podcast, hosted by ABC.com.

[Opening Lost theme]

Kris White: Hello everyone and welcome to the final audio podcast for season four of Lost. No tears, it's sad I know, but the guys will return and so will Lost; and there's always ABC.com to tide you over until the DVDs come out, and then there's Comic-Con this summer which hopefully we'll have a special podcast coming to you all from. Anyway, there's plenty of Lost to hold you over. Now on to more pressing matters. They guys are here to rehash part one of There's No Place Like Home. Of course parts two and three air Thursday, May 29, from 9:00 to 11:00 PM on ABC and is available the next day at ABC.com; and it's preceded by an encore presentation of part one so you can see all three hours back to back, the way it was intended - as long as you have HD that is. Either way, here now are Damon and Carlton.

Carlton Cuse: [goofy French accent] Bonjour Damon.

Damon Lindelof: [goofy French accent] Hello Carlton.

Carlton Cuse: How are you today?

Damon Lindelof: Little tired, little sleepy.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah we're uh, we are, we're still working here believe it or not. Even though the episode that you saw last night has aired was part one of the finale, that would probably make you assume that part two of the finale was finished, but in fact we're just finishing it.

Damon Lindelof: We're still working on it, no it's not even close to - well it's close to finished.

Carlton Cuse: But we're still many uh miles to go before we uh sleep. But we think you guys are going to like the finale, we're going to finish editing it this weekend, and it's coming out pretty well.

Damon Lindelof: We'll see.

Carlton Cuse: I would say.

Damon Lindelof: Let's not, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Carlton Cuse: Ok. Alright, well knock on this wood here. [knocks on something that's obviously not wood and chuckles]

Damon Lindelof: Should we uh... let's talk a little bit about -

Carlton Cuse: I'm sorry; I didn't mean to touch your leg like that.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it's ok. Uh, heh I like that my leg sounds like this [laughs and knocks on the thing Carlton knocked on]. That's why -

Carlton Cuse: [slight chuckling] You can tell people you have a wood leg, I think we've been doing this podcast for long enough for people to know that, I mean, especially since I've had to sit here with you wearing no pants and having a wood leg...

Damon Lindelof: I, I don't want to talk about my leg.

Carlton Cuse: [chuckling] Ok.

Damon Lindelof: And uh, listen, we had an agreement when this podcast first started that that was the only thing that was off limits.

Carlton Cuse: [still chuckling]

Damon Lindelof: And now just because you're a little punchy, you're bringing that into the lexicon.

Carlton Cuse: Sorry.

Damon Lindelof: I don't want to talk about it.

Carlton Cuse: Ok, We won't. Well then, then let’s talk about why did Jack and the rest of the Oceanic Six decide to lie. We're rehashing episode four twelve...

Damon Lindelof: Well that's obviously sort of the big question going into the finale, isn't it. Why- why- why are the Oceanic Six lying? They've obviously got this story where we've now seen them actually come back, uh to the world; it's fascinating because when we wrote that press conference scene - and this will be fairly exciting for the audience - which is, before the finale, ABC is going to re-air episode twelve - part one - again before the two hour finale. And you will see an expanded version of the press conference.

Carlton Cuse: With new questions.

Damon Lindelof: With new questions. Because in writing that scene we were like "Oh my god" this is like there's so many questions that you want to ask these people about, like for example, you know we've gotten some fan questions of why do the Oceanic Six say that there were eight survivors from the plane, and who were those other survivors, and their story in a little more detail; but in the show there was so much that we were doing in this episode in part one that we had to shelf it, but the audience will in fact get to see..

Carlton Cuse: A few more questions.

Damon Lindelof: A few more questions.

Carlton Cuse: Lets, you know, I, I hate to fall victim to over-selling it, but you know, it will be engaging.

Damon Lindelof: Right.

Carlton Cuse: And that actually is a very good ramp up because you know, the, the two hour finale picks up with everybody on various parts of the island, on the freighter, all over the place in their various disparate circumstances, so it is actually, it's kind of designed to be really a three hour viewing experience.

Damon Lindelof: Yes exactly. In fact, we went to go pitch the finale to the network and studio, at the end of part one we basically said "And the great thing is the Oceanic Six, you know, you know by the end of part two of the finale that they're all going to be together and off the island, but think about where they all are." We had um Noreen who is my assistant, and uh Sam Thomas who's uh Co-Producer on the show, and does a lot of our insulary media and a couple of the other assistants including H.W. - basically working on this arts and crafts project as Carlton and I were actually writing the finale and then this is the pitch-

Carlton Cuse: Very late at night.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, very late at night and basically visually saying "Ok, Kate and Sayid have just been captured by the Others and they're over here. And Jack - who's another member of the Oceanic Six - is currently running towards the Orchid where Hurley is, but you know, that's where the bad guys are. And Sun and the Baby are on the freighter."

Carlton Cuse: So we took this thing with us when we actually pitched to the studio and - just as a visual aid - just so that everybody could understand, ok the, the whole idea of the first part of the finale is you start with these Oceanic Six flying on this cargo plane, they land, they're united and at the end of the episode you see they're all in desperate straits and in disparate locations. And so we had this illustration of all of their disparate locations, and like-

Damon Lindelof: That sounds like a country music album. Desperate straits [in unison] and disparate locations. That should be your first banjo- be a solo banjo album.

Carlton Cuse: Thank you. I think it will be, that sounds good. But, then there was like this frenzy, all the executives wanted it. It was like so, it's now uh, I guess being uh, it's going to be displayed over there [laughing] as some sort of uh, a piece of lost history. Which of course made all the people over at the office very happy, that their uh craft project has now turned into a uh, a piece of lost memorabilia.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and then like the, and then like the my- the mythology surrounding the crafts project like sort of spread to the L.A. Times, and then the next thing we knew there was some ph- photographer from the L.A. Times coming over here and asking to take pictures of it. So the, the crafts project will actually be in the Los Angeles Times, for those of you who are interested in seeing it.

Carlton Cuse: Well, if they decide to put the picture in.

Damon Lindelof: How could they not though-

Carlton Cuse: I'm just saying that at the end of the day a photo editor is going to look at a picture of Evangeline Lilly, and a picture of the crafts project and make a decision. And we'll-

Damon Lindelof: Alright, -

Carlton Cuse: And we'll see.

Damon Lindelof: I think Evangeline's great but I vote for crafts.

Carlton Cuse: [chuckling] Uh, there was buried in there a reference to H.W. whose' actually, whose' real name is Jim but we call him H.W. like from the movie [in unison] There Will Be Blood. And uh so he is-

Damon Lindelof: [doing an impression of a character from the movie] My name is Daniel Plainview and this is my son and partner H.W. Plainview...

Damon Lindelof: And he's just this sort of quiet menacing reckoning force [chuckling].

Carlton Cuse: Which is pretty much the same as our H.W. whose' name is Jim but we call him H.W. He gets our lunch and does various uh, sundry things, delivers scripts you know, he's the P.A. which is you know, it's a good job.

Damon Lindelof: Just a little bit of prehashing here Carlton, just so I have this all straight before we go into questions.

Carlton Cuse: Alright.

Damon Lindelof: So, we've got a bomb. It, it would appear a very large bomb has been discovered on the freighter.

Carlton Cuse: Pretty much the biggest bomb I've ever seen, personally.

Damon Lindelof: We, we don't know uh, who is responsible for putting it there, or what's going to make it go off-

Carlton Cuse: We- no we do not.

Damon Lindelof: Hopefully the finale will be dealing with this issue.

Carlton Cuse: Yes it will. It will tell us who put it there, and what it's purpose is.

Damon Lindelof: Ok, so we've got that.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

Damon Lindelof: And then we've got the Orchid. This, this uh, this place that Ben is, is supposedly bringing Locke to move the Island.

Carlton Cuse: Right. This is-

Damon Lindelof: Do I have that straight?

Carlton Cuse: I always love seeing new DHARMA stations, that's always a cool part of the show for me. So uh, I'm curious to see what the Orchid looks like.

Damon Lindelof: I'm curious too.

Carlton Cuse: We've seen tantalizing bits of the Orchid station for those that that have actually looked at the film that we showed last year at Comic-Con. We screened a bit of some out-takes from what was the orientation film for the Orchid station. Would it be possible that we might be seeing more of that orientation film Damon?

Damon Lindelof: If we saw the bloopers from the orientation film at Comic-Con, I would hope that we actually get to see the real deal in the finale, I'd feel pretty ripped off if we didn't.

Carlton Cuse: Oh, ok.

Damon Lindelof: That was literally the longest set up for a Lost gag ever though, that last July we knew that the finale was going to center in the Orchid, and that we basically did that, that was very cool.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, that was fun.

Damon Lindelof: Alright well, it just, it just feels like everything is in place for an exciting two hour finale; Are there, are we going to be getting any more flash forwards, flash backs sort of, what can I expect here?

Carlton Cuse: I think that, you know, the first part of the finale set the tone. We started seeing flash forwards of various members of the Oceanic Six and I would anticipate that that might continue.

Damon Lindelof: Oh excellent.

Carlton Cuse: But we have a l-

Damon Lindelof: I'm particularly interested in Sun by the way, -

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

Damon Lindelof: She seems to have grown a pair off the island.

Carlton Cuse: She is Awesome, I know, she is really- that's a cool turn for her.

Damon Lindelof: It is.

Carlton Cuse: We have a lot of good questions today, so we are actually going to try to blast through more questions than usual-

Damon Lindelof: Break it out Carlton.

Carlton Cuse: Okay, so, alright here we go. This is from Boduke, and the heading is "Do bad guys know they are bad?" Damon and Carlton, Being a Lost addict has had some positive benefits - 1: I read a lot more. 2: I never trust anyone.

Damon Lindelof: [laughing]

Carlton Cuse: [chuckling] 3: I now try to evaluate situations from all sides. Anyway, here is my question. Do bad guys on Lost know they are bad guys? They say all is fair in love and war, are the good guys the ones who resort to the least amount of tricks? Are the good guys the ones that harm the least amount of people? As writers, I would like to think that this is something that would interest you. Take Star Wars for example. Do Storm Troopers know that they are bad guys? Or do they see Luke and his band of rebels as law-breakers that are trying to ruin their true society? My point is, maybe the Keamy-Widmore team is not as bad as we think. We think they are bad because we see them as threatening the characters that we relate to, but maybe it's Ben that is so bad that extreme measures are necessary to bring him down.

Damon Lindelof: First off, we're very flattered by the question. Let's talk a little bit about Storm Troopers for a second.

Carlton Cuse: [Laughing]

Damon Lindelof: Because I, I feel like this is a prime- I've been looking for an opportunity to talk about Storm Troopers, and now finally I have one. In the original Star Wars Luke is sort of out gallivanting around in Tatooine when the droids sort of wander off and this is when he meets Obi-Wan. And then he returns to the home where he was raised by his Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen who were very you know, calm loving peaceful farmers who just live on a little moisture farm on Tatooine, and they live in their little robes and they have plastic cups, and they never hurt anybody. But when Luke returns, the, the farm is completely-

Carlton Cuse: This is getting back to Lost at some point isn't it?

Damon Lindelof: Yes. [both chuckling] When Luke returns the farm has been completely and totally vaporized, poor Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen are just sort of completely steaming skeletons, and this was done by Storm Troopers. And I just can't imagine what the Storm Troopers were thinking in the process of burning these farmers where they go: "I'm a good guy." Like "I have some justification for this."

Carlton Cuse: I would just-

Damon Lindelof: [imitating a Storm Trooper] How dare they farm moisture!

Carlton Cuse: But you know to be fair [both laughing] the Storm Troopers-

Damon Lindelof: Alright-

Carlton Cuse: Just to argue the Storm Troopers side of this, they have to preserve order... in the Alliance. And-

Damon Lindelof: And you can't have people drinking out of plastic Tupperware. [chuckle]

Carlton Cuse: They're responsible for raising a rebel leader!

Damon Lindelof: But they didn't- I mean the Storm Troopers didn't even know that yet. They were just going to recover the droids with the stolen plans. The droids aren't here, Let's kill everybody!

Carlton Cuse: Let's say you run a red light and you say "Oh I didn't see the red light," does that make it any less bad that you ran the red light?

Damon Lindelof: [mattter-of-factly] There are no red lights in Star Wars.

[Kris, Carlton, and Damon all laughing]

Damon Lindelof: They just fly where ever the hell they want to!

Carlton Cuse: I-

Damon Lindelof: I'm just saying, you know you're bad.

Carlton Cuse: I feel like we're getting some place. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the show, but I, I, I think the Storm Troopers think they're- they're good.

Damon Lindelof: When you're bad you're bad, but-

Carlton Cuse: Ok.

Damon Lindelof: That uh, that's my answer.

Carlton Cuse: But on our show, I would say that-

Damon Lindelof: Keamy's bad.

Carlton Cuse: Keamy's bad, -

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: He knows he's bad, but he's you know, he's a guy that does the job.

Damon Lindelof: Apparent- apparently though we just learned that Kevin Durand did standup comedy in Canada, so...

Carlton Cuse: [laughing]

Damon Lindelof: You know, what do we know?

Carlton Cuse: That's the actor who plays Keamy-

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, yeah-

Carlton Cuse: So you know, -

Damon Lindelof: He's awesome by the way.

Carlton Cuse: [imitating Kevin Durand] Seriously, laugh or I'll kill you...

Damon Lindelof: Alright, I've got a question for you Carlton. This is from Acejace. As an avid U.K. follower of Lost I would like to thank you for the quality entertainment that you've helped produce over the last four years, I can't wait to see what you've got in store for us over the next few seasons. My question is regarding antipodes, or the regions which lie on opposite sides of the globe. Um, if you put a needle through uh, Tunisia it ends up coming out in the South Pacific; Interestingly enough.

Carlton Cuse: Hmmm...

Damon Lindelof: So, as we know, Ben and possibly a DHARMA polar bear appear to have warped from the island to Tunisia. Unfortunately the bear's Bedouin ambushing skills weren't as up to scratch as Mister Linus's. However; does this mean that the transportation from or to the island via antipodal points on the globe is the Lost teleportation transport some sort of journey through the center of the earth? And if that's the case, could it also be possible that Yemi's light aircraft - this is the yellow drug smugglers' plane featured prominently in seasons one and two -

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: ... ended up going through this antipodal wormhole to the island on its way from Nigeria to Europe, via Tunisia? Anyway thanks again and continue the good work with the show, Jason.

Carlton Cuse: Wow. That is an excellent question, and uh, I would say that the antipode part of that theory is very intriguing; however some of the conclusions derived regarding the application of antipode theory might not be exactly correct.

Damon Lindelof: Good answer.

Carlton Cuse: Ok.

Damon Lindelof: Very thorough, and completely vague.

Carlton Cuse: Alright, this is from Jadernopants: What's up manerds I absolutely love the show and the podcast. Damon and Carlton, you are my podcast OTP.

Carlton Cuse: Although I don't know what OTP is embarrassingly.

Damon Lindelof: I know what OPP is.

Carlton Cuse: What's that?

Damon Lindelof: Other people's possessions.

Carlton Cuse: [laughing]

Damon Lindelof: Remember the old song?

Carlton Cuse: [still laughing] Wow. I wonder if we could do like a rap - banjo number.

Damon Lindelof: I-

Carlton Cuse: Maybe for season seven.

Damon Lindelof: I think we could but I don't think we should.

Carlton Cuse: [more laughing]

Carlton Cuse: [back to the question he was answering] What's up with Walt? He seems to be even more special than our own man of faith, Mister Locke. Thanks for reading and being all around awesome. And by the way, my friend chooses to live a similar lifestyle in Damon, in that she doesn't wear pants while we watch Lost. My sister and I support her in her choice and feel that you, Carlton, should provide the same support and validation for Damon. He does after all support you and your aspirations of becoming the next Banjo-Maraca Idle.

Damon Lindelof: And that's a true fan. Obviously-

Carlton Cuse: I do support you, by the way.

Damon Lindelof: Well-

Carlton Cuse: And I apologize for mentioning your wooden leg.

Damon Lindelof: Well, you know what? There you go.

Carlton Cuse: And I won't tell anyone else about your wooden leg.

Carlton Cuse: [laughing]

Damon Lindelof: You know what? There you go again. If I'm going to not wear any pants, that means that I am comfortable letting my wooden leg friggin show. And you come along and you start mentioning it and now I'm some sort of freak. So thank you for that.

Carlton Cuse: [chuckling] You want to talk about Walt?

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: Sorry I didn't mean to throw you off the rails again.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, we'll probably be seeing Walt again.

Carlton Cuse: Good!

Damon Lindelof: And he's special. I've got another one for you.

Carlton Cuse: Alright.

Damon Lindelof: This is from Andfound6: Dear Damon and Carlton, before I ask my question, I just wanted to say thank you for making the best TV show ever, you guys help bring joy to my life every Thursday, although I do miss the 9:00 time slot. On to my question; is it safe to s-

Carlton Cuse: The 9:00 time slot is still there. [chuckling]

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it- for the- for the finale we'll have it back too.

Carlton Cuse: Yes.

Damon Lindelof: [back to the question he was answering] Is it safe to say now that Abaddon is working for DHARMA or an umbrella form of DHARMA trying to find the Island and that his party is not affiliated, but actually against Widmore and Ben's parties? Thanks again for another great season of Lost.

Carlton Cuse: Abaddon- Abaddon works for somebody, whether he works for Ben, or Widmore, or parties uh, not yet articulated, well we can't really answer that part of it because we'd give too much away. But yes, Abaddon is- he's not at the top of the food chain for whoever he works for, but it is- you're, you're meant to ponder whether it's Ben or Widmore or whomever. Here we go Damon, so this is from Mistergreavos.

Damon Lindelof: Ok.

Carlton Cuse: Dear Damon and Carlton, I've noticed that you guys tend to write a lot of episodes, and usually those tend to be some of the more major episodes of the season. As writers and creators, do you have just a short list of episodes that you've written - are there any episodes that, in the writers room, tend to get more praise than others, and then Damon, is there one character that Carlton identifies with most, and Carlton, is there one character that Damon identifies with most? Thank you, Andrew.

Damon Lindelof: You know, as far as the writing goes, you know, very rarely will we know - other than the premier and the finale - that you and I tend to write the finales but the episodes in between are sort of like, the original plan is this going to be a Ben episode and then it becomes a Sayid episode, or vice verse so there's a certain rotation of the writers so you never know what it's going to be. And you and I never, you know, we never sort of-

Carlton Cuse: We don't cherry pick.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, we don't cherry pick, it's just sort of like, this year it ended up that we wrote the premier and then we- we slotted in again at episode five, which just so happened to be The Constant.

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, which was a brutal break but I'm really glad that we broke. To that end, I think that the season one finale, Exodus, and the season three finale, Through The Looking Glass, and The Constant are probably my- my favorite writing experiences writing the scripts.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah. I would actually kind of say the same, I mean, those finales that- I- I would actually say this year's finale sight unseen, obviously we don't know how it's going to land, but I really like this year's finale too so...

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it's cool.

Carlton Cuse: The fu- the fun thing about writing the finales is you really get to advance narrative in ways that it's not always possible writing an individual episode. You know, when you're working on just a regular episode, you might learn something about that character or there might be some advancement in story, but the finales really sort of have a different caste to them, they're uh, sort of big, sort of action-adventurie kind of movies in themselves and that's what makes them kind of- they're challenging but I think ultimately, you know, as a writer those things that are hard and challenging end up being the things that are the most rewarding.

Damon Lindelof: Favorite character?

Carlton Cuse: My favorite character would be uh Sawyer. I- I wish I was as cool as Sawyer, I like, you know, his uh-

Damon Lindelof: Chest

[Damon and Kris laughing]

Carlton Cuse: That too. You know, he's just uh-

Damon Lindelof: Sexy

Carlton Cuse: He's just sort of you know sexy dangerous kind of-

Damon Lindelof: Toned, tanned...

Carlton Cuse: Yes, he's kind of all the things I'm not in real life, so uh, who's your favorite character?

Damon Lindelof: My first love is definitely Jack. I don't know, I sympathize with him because I feel like he can come across as being so imperious and I know like on the boards people are like "Oh my god, he's such an a-hole. Why is he so mean all the time?" But at the end of the day, Jack is the one who's driving like all the things that are happening on the Island. The decisions that he's making are eventually going to get the Oceanic Six off, and being a leader is tough man. I mean maybe his approval rating is low, but I think he's trying- [Carlton laughs] I think he's trying as hard- he's doing his best.

Carlton Cuse: Do you- do you like him better with chest hair, or without chest hair?

Damon Lindelof: I- I- I miss the chest hair, I got to tell you.

[both laughing]

Damon Lindelof: I do.

Carlton Cuse: Oh, wow. [still laughing]

Damon Lindelof: It's like Delilah- it's like when Delilah cut Sampson’s locks in some way. One of the things that made Jack the burley, uh you know man of the jungle is uh-

Carlton Cuse: His chest hair? Wow, ok let's just uh-

Damon Lindelof: This is from Chirps1007: Greetings pod-castaways -

Damon Lindelof: Which I think is very clever, pod-castaways.

Carlton Cuse: Oh, that's good!

Damon Lindelof: I think it's good for people who listen to the podcast.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, yeah.

Damon Lindelof: I remember that before you worked out the deal with ABC to establish an end date for the series, you said if Lost ever got prematurely canceled, you would cut to Joop the orangutan sitting in a desk smoking a pipe, and he would reveal all the shows secrets. Is there any chance of you ever actually filming this anyway? [Carlton laughing] And including it on the final season's DVD special features. I'd love to see what you would've come up with. Joopfully yours, Chirps.

Carlton Cuse: [clears throat] The problem is, is that we haven't been able to make a deal with Joop. Joop has certain um contractual issues that-

Damon Lindelof: Wow.

Carlton Cuse: That we can't actually overcome at this point in time.

Damon Lindelof: His writer is like, -

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, -

Damon Lindelof: All those demands,

Carlton Cuse: He- he won't take forth calls, uh, he demands certain food on the set, -

Damon Lindelof: Oh my god.

Carlton Cuse: He uh -

Damon Lindelof: Throws his own dung -

Carlton Cuse: Talk about- talk about the body hair issue, -

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, exactly.

Carlton Cuse: Um, I can't even actually get into that in a public forum.

Damon Lindelof: We'll see what we can work out.

Carlton Cuse: But if we can get Joop um, signed on the dotted line, it would be fun to actually shoot that scene. We'd have to teach him how to talk too. Yeah, and sign... Um, on the dotted line.


Damon Lindelof: But other than that - and smoke a pipe... and wear an ascot.

Carlton Cuse: Well an ascot, ascot... I'm thinking is not really difficult in the... list of things that we're uh, that're-

[Carlton laughing pretty hard]

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, yeah, I'd put it somewhere between speaking and uh, sitting in a leather chair.

Carlton Cuse: This is uh from Byocontrollers, ok. Ok you guy- you guys have the most amazing TV show imaginations that has ever been around, thanks for making a great TV show. We see in Michael's flashback how he came to be on the boat, uh Tom - Mister Friendly - told him the Island won't let you kill yourself, you still have more work to do. So knowing this, we have seen Michael escape the cold fingers of death three times now - car crash, shooting himself, and Keamy trying to shoot him - so we know that it works. My question is, is the same thing happening to Jack in the future? We see him in the season three finale about to jump off a bridge and commit suicide, but suddenly there is a car crash and Jack is compelled to quit on his suicide and help those people. Is the Island not letting Jack die either? Does this mean Jack also has more work to do? Part two: Is this also why Ben and Widmore cannot kill each other?

Damon Lindelof: Well, well, well, well...

Carlton Cuse: [chuckles]

Damon Lindelof: You saved the best for last.

Carlton Cuse: I did. Very intentionally.

Damon Lindelof: You know, we were hoping someone would stumble on this. This is one of those sort of rare moments in the show where we actually do start setting up stuff way far in advance, and yes that is exactly - uh in the moment that Jack is about to jump off the bridge there is a, there is a cosmic intervention of fate, um and you see this uh, Ben and Widmore are basically locked in some sort of battle, where they understand the rules. Although what those rules are, or how those rules were explained to those guys, is yet to be revealed but they know that unless the Island is done with them they cannot be killed, especially by each other. So you got a- you kind of got a cool little Highlander thing, minus cutting peoples’ heads off actually does the trick but uh, yeah, that's exactly uh, that's exactly right.

Carlton Cuse: Well good. That was an excellent question and, so anyway we hope you guys will enjoy the finale. This is also the time of year when we go into radio silence, so sadly this will be our final podcast for season four and we will next be sort of back uh in- we will- we will be in radio silence and off the grid until Comic-Con in July.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and we'll probably do a couple of podcasts between now and when the series comes back in January just to sort of, you know, answer some questions and fill you guys in but obviously since the show isn't on, uh, you're probably sick of us anyway I mean who cares really.

Carlton Cuse: [chuckles] Yeah, I mean eight months, you know...

Damon Lindelof: Um, just before we go, a special uh, shout out to the ABC Studio's advisory panel which just basically got together because uh, the- the show has not been nominated for a drama Emmy the last couple of years. Which we understand because it's heavily serialized and if you're not a watcher of the show it's incredibly hard to drop in. It's sort of like, here pick up the third Harry Potter book, flip to chapter seventeen and read it, and tell us if it's a good chapter. And the way the Emmy voting works is you have one- you have to pick one episode from the season -

Carlton Cuse: Well it's actually more arcane than that, there's like popular vote nominates ten shows and then those ten shows are screened - one episode is screened as Damon is just saying to a panel of people and then- then there's a second panel of people that watch another episode of the show, so it's - you know we- we find ourselves in a very difficult position of trying to figure out how do you submit a sort of stand-alone episode of Lost in a- out of a series which is so heavily serialized.

Damon Lindelof: Right, and and so we felt amongst ourselves that we would be a very bad judge of whether- which episode to choose because we watch the show, so kindly uh, Karen, Manny, and the ABC Studio's advisory panel put together a group of people who don't watch Lost, and we screened a couple of episodes for them, and they were able to determine for us which they thought- which they felt was the best and the most self contained. And we're going to move forward with their selection and we're really grateful because they invested a lot of time, uh, and energy into making that selection so...

Carlton Cuse: Right, well so guys it's been awesome. Thank you for all your support this season, and for being crazy enough to listen to this podcast.

Damon Lindelof: And crazy enough to watch the show, season four you know, has been a real blast for us. Obviously it kind of stunk to be away for over 100 days during the strike, but you know, we really appreciate your patience and perseverance and we really hope you like the finally. We're proud of it and, you know, thanks for hanging in.

Carlton Cuse: And we want to thank Kris for his awesome job as producer, -

Damon Lindelof: Even though we rag on him constantly...

Carlton Cuse: We still love him.

Damon Lindelof: And our moms who gave a memorable podcast and still Carlton is having nightmares about.

Carlton Cuse: [laughing]

Damon Lindelof: Um, but you'll get past that.

Carlton Cuse: No. No, no, no, I love my mom.

Damon Lindelof: I'm a very good therapist.

Carlton Cuse: Exactly. Alright-

Damon Lindelof: Just that red wine thing...

Carlton Cuse: Well Damon...

Damon Lindelof: Yes, sir.

Carlton Cuse: Adios.

Damon Lindelof: Uh, adios muchacho.

Carlton Cuse: We'll see ya later, bye guys.

Damon Lindelof: I'm going to... I'm going to limp on out of here

Carlton Cuse: [laughing] Ok, bye.

Damon Lindelof: [laughing] Bye.

Kris White: And that brings us to the end of this podcasting season. As the guys said, thank you everyone for joining us, it's been a wild ride. And don't forget, There's No Place Like Home parts two and three air on Thursday, May 29 on ABC and will be available the next day at ABC.com.