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[Opening Lost Theme]

Kris White: Greetings and welcome to the official Lost Podcast, hosted by This, sad to say is the ultimate podcast for 2006 and although we are a little bit later than anticipated we’re back with executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse to rehash the episode, I do. Or at this point I did it and I liked it. But fear not Lost will be back in February with a batch of all new shiny episodes for you to unwrap. And until then speaking of unwrapping and the holidays feel free to enjoy episodes of Lost on while sitting around a fire sipping hot chocolate made from melted Apollo bars. Here now are your formerly lost but now they’re found Pod Squad.

[Podcast Theme Music]

Carlton Cuse: All right, and welcome to another podcast, I’m Carlton Cuse.

Damon Lindelof: I’m Damon Lindelof

Carlton Cuse: And we’re here very strangely a long time after Lost has aired and a long time before it will air again to talk about Lost.

Damon Lindelof: We didn’t say hi to each other, normally we say…

Carlton Cuse: Hi Damon.

Damon Lindelof: Hi Carlton

Carlton Cuse: I’m sorry that was rude of me, wasn’t it?

Damon Lindelof: You just got right into it; it was like no small talk, just right into the podcast

Carlton Cuse: It is sad when you know, you get to you know that point where you’re taking each other for granted.

Damon Lindelof: Well we don’t even really see each other than coming together for these podcasts. We’re not allowed to make eye contact and the restringing order is in some unlimited…

Carlton Cuse: The court order is very specific.

Damon Lindelof: So.

Carlton Cuse: So here we are and we are going to finally after quite a lengthy wait rehash I do which was our fall season finale, and uh

Damon Lindelof: Yes, so this is the ultimate podcast as opposed to the penultimate podcast from last time.

Carlton Cuse: This is the, the last podcast you will have to endure in 2006.

Damon Lindelof: And then there will be a new one for 2007, I suppose.

Carlton Cuse: At least 1.

Damon Lindelof: I’m exited about that.

Carlton Cuse: Oh, I can tell, you’re practically jumping out of your chair.

Damon Lindelof: So I do, it feels like so long ago…

Carlton Cuse: Thank you. Oh wow, that’s great. Should we, we’ll have to go to Canada.

Damon Lindelof: Not really.

Carlton Cuse: We’ll if you want it to be illegal.

Damon Lindelof: Ah. I’m like Kate, I don’t uh…this is…I’m looking for some sort of marriage segue, help me out here.

Carlton Cuse: Uhhh. Okay, let’s talk about Kate’s marriage.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, great

Carlton Cuse: How did you come to cast Nathan Fillion as Kevin? Is this a nod out there to all the Firefly fans?

Damon Lindelof: Well, uhh. It’s not a nod to the Firefly fans as much as it is an acknowledgment that Nathan is an awesome actor who we really loved in Firefly and we’re big sort of Whedon fans over here, and both in that series and in the movie Serenity. You know, I think Nathan’s a you know a very affable awesome actor and you know looking for someone to believe that Kate had actually married and settled down with and you really only have those 5 scenes with them together. We needed somebody really good and kinda fun and intelligent and he was just all those things so we offered him the part. He was very nice, he came in and met with us and took it.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, he was great, we really were happy with how that worked out and um you know he was also great in Firefly and that was, I guess it wasn’t really a shout out but certainly his work in that show influenced our choice of hiring him.

Damon Lindelof: Yes, it gives us that uh geek cred that we always strive for. Um So

Carlton Cuse: You already have a lot of geek cred.

Damon Lindelof: Ya, but you can never have too much geek cred, I think. Can you?

Carlton Cuse: Well, probably.

Damon Lindelof: Well we’re certainly flirting with whatever that limitation is.

Carlton Cuse: Right this moment. Can I, Can I get the rust off, out of this podcast.

Damon Lindelof: It is, it is a little rough. I’m trying to get some energy

Carlton Cuse: Exactly. We’ll we should be doing them every week even if we have nothing to talk about.

Damon Lindelof: We’re actually…

Carlton Cuse: Are we going to be doing Daybreak podcasts? That was going to be the plan, wasn’t it?

Damon Lindelof: Ya.

Carlton Cuse: That would probably not go down to well.

Damon Lindelof: It probably really wouldn’t.

Carlton Cuse: Cuz I don’t really know what’s going on in Daybreak.

Damon Lindelof: I’m actually loving Daybreak right now to be completely honest with you.

Carlton Cuse: It’s kind of a shame that more people aren’t watching it. It’s very hard if you have a serial life show that people don’t actually get hooked into…

Damon Lindelof: It's depressing because you get hooked in and it's like they're not going to you know he’s going to …. Taye Diggs, my fear is that he’ll never get out of that day.

Carlton Cuse: Ya.

Damon Lindelof: It's just sad.

Carlton Cuse: It is sad. But let's talk about Kate hooking up with Sawyer. Just for a segue.

Damon Lindelof: Sure, I’d love to.

Carlton Cuse: I mean, I mean I know you want to talk about Taye Diggs but what do you think? Was this actually the definitive choice?

Damon Lindelof: Ah. You know people keep asking me that and it's…

Carlton Cuse: Was this the definitive choice?

Damon Lindelof: …how, how much clearer…

Carlton Cuse: Was his choice definitive?

Damon Lindelof: …how much clearer could you be about her choice? I mean, who’s watching them and going “I’m not sure that she picked Sawyer, I think maybe she went with Jack but she at least had sex with him”.

Carlton Cuse: Yet people actually do you know I think certain people maybe just don’t value the act of sex as being that important.

Damon Lindelof: I don’t even, I don’t even know how I could possibly respond to that in any sort of PG-13 fashion but I will say that when you are curled up naked on someone’s chest as I have been on Carlton’s on several occasions…

Carlton Cuse: I knew that was coming.

Damon Lindelof: …you have made your choice.

Carlton Cuse: Well, and I’m, I thank you for that, I appreciate it, I appreciate your commitment to me.

Damon Lindelof: But I think it’ll be interesting to see sorta where Satan, Kate and Sawyer go next.

Carlton Cuse: Satan?

Damon Lindelof: Sate and Kawyer.

Carlton Cuse: Wow!

Damon Lindelof: Wow.

Carlton Cuse: Satan, when is Satan coming into the show?

Damon Lindelof: They call them Skate, Kate and Sawyer.

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: And then, and then the other ones are um Skack, no, what is Skack, Sawyer Jack, I don’t know, Sack.

Kris White: Is it Jate or something?

Carlton Cuse: Jate. Thank you, correct. I’d like to give a little shout out to Kris our wonderful producer who actually, we have our own mics today, which is fantastic. Normally we’ve had to share a mic.

Damon Lindelof: Ya, thanks to the people at uh Hyundai and American Express we now have a second microphone.

Carlton Cuse: That’s fantastic.

Damon Lindelof: We have doubled our production budget.

Carlton Cuse: Yes, and a jar of chocolate covered espresso beans from Shreader Banks.

Damon Lindelof: Don’t talk about the jar.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: Um so we have Jack. He saw Kate and Sawyer together, that’s obviously upset him and that prompted him to well in the moment we thought uh.

Carlton Cuse: Blow her off.

Damon Lindelof: Ya, be very angry and say I’m out for myself and all I want to do is get off the Island but it turns out the episode he has made this bold heroic maneuver jeopardizing his own life in order to free Kate and Sawyer so you know, that’s either incredibly noble or incredibly stupid, only time will tell.

Carlton Cuse: I’m gonna go with noble.

Damon Lindelof: I’m gonna go with stupid.

Carlton Cuse: Okay, we’ll that pretty much…

Damon Lindelof: We’ll see, we’ll see who’s right.

Carlton Cuse: That’s been helpful and clarifying for the audience.

Damon Lindelof: Unfortunately for Jack though he doesn’t know that they are on an island.

Carlton Cuse: Uh, no he doesn’t.

Damon Lindelof: So that’s gonna be tricky.

Carlton Cuse: It’s gonna be a little tricky but I think it's surmountable.

Damon Lindelof: I hope it is.

Carlton Cuse: That’s awesome.

Damon Lindelof: Cuz I’ll be honest with you Carlton, I’m getting a little bit sick of being on that island with the Others.

Carlton Cuse: [Sighs] You and the rest of America my friend. But you know we are getting back to the beach. You know we promise you we’re getting back to the beach very soon but um I think when you look back at Season 3 in its finality these first six episodes will be more palatable. I mean it’s hard when it stands among the fall and most of it is focused on what’s going on with Sawyer and Kate and Jack and the Others. And we are legitimately missing some of our back folk but we have some good beach folk’s stories that are coming up and I think in the end it will all make sense why we did this six episode block and why the story sorta had to start with it.

Damon Lindelof: I mean if you think about season 2 in the same way we started much the same way with the tail section. You know, those first seven episodes we spent a lot of time with Ana Lucia and Eko and Libby and the audience didn’t really like them much either. Um, but over time you know we shot them all.

Carlton Cuse: They’re all dead. That just goes to prove what?

Damon Lindelof: I don’t know. I don’t know what it proves.

Carlton Cuse: Um Could someone get Damon a coffee?

Damon Lindelof: I could really use one. Sorry, uh.

Carlton Cuse: Alright, so let’s talk about Locke’ discover of the phrase Lift up your eyes and look North, John 3:05 which was on Eko’s stick during the funeral. Is this a sign Locke who is looking for?

Damon Lindelof: Uh. I guess. Locke was looking for some reason behind why Eko was killed because we know he goes he sits in his sweat lodge, the Island tells him that he has to go get Eko so he goes and gets Eko and you know what is the end result of it? That is that Eko gets killed by the Monster. So Locke is sorta scratching his head, so he’s looking for some purpose behind all this and now he sorta has this, uh this cryptic message and uh, it doesn’t mean anything at all. It just, he’s just means he’s gonna go back to the beach and …

Carlton Cuse: I think it does.

Damon Lindelof: …make a sand castle.

Carlton Cuse: I’m thinking that there’s something that’s going to happen with that stick and that message and that it’s going to propel Locke on a mission.

Damon Lindelof: You’re never know the answer to that mystery, are you?

Carlton Cuse: We are.

Damon Lindelof: Really?

Carlton Cuse: We are. We’re gonna. Answers

Damon Lindelof: Because I have to be honest with you …

Carlton Cuse: Answers are coming.

Damon Lindelof: To be honest with you Carlton I’m starting to feel a little dubious that the answers are ever coming.

Carlton Cuse: Well don’t be dubious.

Damon Lindelof: Are we going to find out what’s going on with Desmond?

Carlton Cuse: Yes we are.

Damon Lindelof: Are we going to find out…

Carlton Cuse: Like the second or third episode back.

Damon Lindelof: Are we going to find out if Ben was lying about that island being like Alcatraz?

Carlton Cuse: Uh, yes we are.

Damon Lindelof: Are we see Rousseau?

Carlton Cuse: Yes we are.

Damon Lindelof: Wow, I…

Carlton Cuse: So…

Damon Lindelof:…I stand corrected.

Carlton Cuse: Alright?

Damon Lindelof: Alright.

Carlton Cuse: I mean you know there’s a lot going on. Are we going to find out something about the DHARMA Initiative and the Others?

Damon Lindelof: Yes, I think we are. We’ll I’m not entirely convinced that the DHARMA Initiative and the Others are one and the same. Are we going to find that out?

Carlton Cuse: I think we are.

Damon Lindelof: Wow. But we’re going to find out in like 3 years, right?

Carlton Cuse: No, we’re going to find out this year.

Damon Lindelof: This year?

Carlton Cuse: Coming soon.

Damon Lindelof: Wow!

Carlton Cuse: In the next batch of episodes.

Damon Lindelof: By batch do you mean like 40?

Carlton Cuse: 40.

Damon Lindelof: Ya.

Carlton Cuse: No I only mean like 5.

Damon Lindelof: Ha, we both went to 40.

Carlton Cuse: We went to 40. That, that was pretty cool.

Damon Lindelof: You know, right now to sort of lift the curtain a little we are in the midst of uh writing

Carlton Cuse: Don’t lift the curtain too much, wow.

Damon Lindelof: Writing our thirteenth episode of the show but we’re plotted out through the end of the season so ya, we’re only 7 scripts ahead of you guys so don’t feel too bad.

Carlton Cuse: And be season we mean episode 15.

Damon Lindelof: That’s right.

Carlton Cuse: Uh, no, we have a good plan for the rest of the season and uh some interesting twists and turns and actually some fairly definitive answers to some of these questions. Um so speaking of questions.

Damon Lindelof: Yes.

Carlton Cuse: First of all do we want to prehash about Not in Portland? What does that title mean?

Damon Lindelof: I’m not going to tell you.

Carlton Cuse: Okay. Uh, in part 2 of season 3 what do you think, uh?

Damon Lindelof: I think we just did.

Carlton Cuse: Ya, we kinda did.

Damon Lindelof: There was a fair amount of prehashing.

Carlton Cuse: That was pretty good. Ya, we’ll definitely see what happens to that surgery. Kate, Sawyer, you know do they escape? Does Kate run?

Damon Lindelof: I think she does. I mean it’ll be sort of lame if she’s like, “you know what Jack, I’m just going to stand here in my cage.”

Carlton Cuse: Ya, that would not be good.

Damon Lindelof: I would like to see them run.

Carlton Cuse: Excellent. Ya, well you know I’d love to ask you some questions Damon.

Damon Lindelof: I would love to uh..

Carlton Cuse: I’m feeling like uh we’re ready for that.

Damon Lindelof: Do it.

[Fan question Theme music]

Carlton Cuse: Okay here we go.

Damon Lindelof: Now

Carlton Cuse: This is uh, this is a question for the producers from Irish Lost fan 2006. Um, here’s the question. Did Kate do something illegal? Is she running from the law? Does she really like tacos or are you just putting us on? And further we need more Kate flashbacks so we can find out what is going on with her life. Please, please make episode 7 through 11 all about Kate and her back-story. I need to see her running away from the law more.

Damon Lindelof: Wow. Uhh, I don’t even know where to start. I guess buy Season 1 and Season 2 on DVD would be a good place to start because obviously we’ve done many many stories already with Kate where she is doing precisely that.

Carlton Cuse: I guess if you blow your father up that might not be the illegal act as much as having sex with someone doesn’t mean you're necessarily committed to them.

Damon Lindelof: Well you did say this question is from Ireland, right?

Carlton Cuse: Well, I said it’s from a Irish Lost fan. It could be an Irish American lost fan.

Damon Lindelof: Well it’s apparently blowing patricides via explosives is not illegal in Ireland so um Kate blew her father up, she even mentions that in I Do. And uh, she’s on the run in the I think that was the sixth Kate flashback that we’ve done on the show so far.

Carlton Cuse: It’s up there.

Damon Lindelof: So if, for more of Kate running you can refer to episode 3 of uh, the, Season 1 which is called Tabula Rasa and then Whatever the Case May Be was episode 11 and then…

Carlton Cuse: There’s a great episode when she’s on the run in the zombie season.

Damon Lindelof: Oh ya, that will be really awesome.

Carlton Cuse: She runs faster than any zombie in any other zombie movie ever.

Damon Lindelof: She is a zombie though. She’s not running from the zombies?

Carlton Cuse: No, but as a zombie running…

Damon Lindelof: Right.

Carlton Cuse:..she is very fast.

Damon Lindelof: Yes.

Carlton Cuse: Faster than Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible III.

Damon Lindelof: Who do you think zombie Kate would chose? Zombie Sawyer or zombie Jack?

Carlton Cuse: I think you know when she’s a zombie she’s actually going to go for zombie Desmond.

Damon Lindelof: Whose brain, whose brains will zombie Kate eat? That’s what I want to know.

Carlton Cuse: Ya, that’s awesome.

Damon Lindelof: Alright. Uh, I have a question…

Carlton Cuse: You forget to ask, does she really like tacos?

Damon Lindelof: That was just a put on. She can’t do…she says, “I can’t do taco night.”

Carlton Cuse: Alright. She really can’t.

Damon Lindelof: So that was the strung that broke the relationship.

Carlton Cuse: No tacos. She’s from Canada too.

Damon Lindelof: uh, here’s the question. Do you want us to become Christians? By Uscama. This is a multi-tiered question here Carlton. Why…

Carlton Cuse: The answer to the first part is yes.

Damon Lindelof: Why is there so many, why is their so many talking about religion in Lost? And why is there a focus on Christianity. Do the people who make Lost and produce the show want to make people convert to Christianity? The last episode was mainly about religion. Even Ben asked, “Do you believe in God?” By the way only Christians believe in God. If you want Lost to be an international success you need to avoid religion. By the way I like the show because it does always make me think. Peace.

Carlton Cuse: Wow!

Damon Lindelof: So defend yourself.

Carlton Cuse: I don’t even know where to start. Let me, maybe I should start by saying as a person who is Jewish do you believe in God?

Damon Lindelof: I do.

Carlton Cuse: So I think that kind of takes care of that, that swipes away one aspect.

Damon Lindelof: Rumor has it that also, uhh, that also Muslims believe in God, they just have a different name for him.

Carlton Cuse: Correct. And I would say that you know many other religions also kinda believe in God in one shape or form.

Damon Lindelof: Right.

Carlton Cuse: So um, Catholicism, ya you know there’s a fair amount of Catholicism in the show but um.

Damon Lindelof: We had a priest on the show.

Carlton Cuse: The...we had a priest on the show and you know I think the priest’s, the priest’s demise, Mr. Eko’s demise was very much wrapped up in his sense of spirituality which was very informed by his Catholicism. And uh you know, we also I think the Bible is a big source of inspiration for us. It’s a pretty popular book.

Damon Lindelof: By inspiration you mean rip it off an every possible opportunity.

Carlton Cuse: Absolutely, exactly. Like I said it’s a pretty popular piece of work.

Damon Lindelof: Well we think the show is spiritual and is in a spiritual space and you know Lost has always been more. It’s not just that they are lost on an island, they’re also sort of Lost in their own lives. We’re not preaching or promising or you know trying to convert anybody but we do we do like the idea that you know, these people are all connected, that there is sort of a sense of you know, a higher power and we try not to call it anything but obviously the characters see it through the prism of what their own experience is and if they were Christians or Catholics or Jews or Muslims then you know in the same…we’ve seen Sayid pray for example. Um, in the finale of last year you know he has his prayer rug out when he’s on the boat before he goes to war with the Others so you know we just like that idea that we’re not trying to make any sort of statements.

Carlton Cuse: Not about a specific religion. But you know just the idea that spirituality’s an important part of human existence.

Damon Lindelof: Wow.

Carlton Cuse: There you go.

Damon Lindelof: I just wanted to ask a hard-hitting question because we’re always so goofy.

Carlton Cuse: Okay. Well here’s a hard-hitting question from Nemarsh3286.

Damon Lindelof: Nice.

Carlton Cuse: Is anyone sure Lost will return for season 4?

Damon Lindelof: Sure?

Carlton Cuse: Yes.

Damon Lindelof: I don’t know I think that there you know there’s always a realm of possibility that we make such catastrophically bad creative choices in the next sixteen episodes that everybody who watches the show stops watching the show but…

Carlton Cuse: That’s not too likely.

Damon Lindelof: One would that we don’t do that.

Carlton Cuse: We uh, I think there will be…your pretty safe too assume there’s going to be a season 4 of Lost.

Damon Lindelof: At least.

Carlton Cuse: At least. At the very least there will be a season 4.

Damon Lindelof: And if there isn’t a season 4 how can we ever get to a season 7, the zombie season.

Carlton Cuse: Exactly, so here’s my real question, which is from Laura Lee 12…That other one wasn’t even a question.

Damon Lindelof: It was just a fake question.

Carlton Cuse: It was just a question I had myself. Um, I love your show but more and more lately you guys are insulting our intelligence. A second island, so I guess when Sayid, Jin and Sun sailed around the Island to meet Jack, Michael and Kate they somehow missed seeing this other island? Or when Jin, Sawyer and Michael sailed off at the end of season 1 I guess they didn’t get far enough away to spot the second island. Or when Shannon died and Sayid went off and found the French lady, any of this ringing a bell? Should I go on disproving that a second island can even exist. I hope that this will be Ben fooling Sawyer somehow because that would be better than thinking you can insult our intelligence.

Damon Lindelof: Wow, I I I don’t want to insult your intelligence but at the same time I would argue that there are there are, the Island they have been on from the very beginning is very large and it would if you know anything at all about geography it is wildly impossible to sail you know three-quarters of the way around our island without ever seeing a you know…a…

Carlton Cuse: tiny tiny little island, only two miles of shore. It’s like the size of Alcatraz.

Damon Lindelof: That’s right, that’s like saying anywhere in the California coastline you can see Alcatraz. Which in fact is ridiculous.

Carlton Cuse: Or even Santa Catalina, which is a huge island 26 miles of shore. You can only see it in a very limited…you know from a limited range.

Damon Lindelof: So to answer the one question that you did have in there, yes I would like you to go on disproving the existence of that island and if you can do it before the season premiere we’ll have to do some radical rewriting because there is in fact a smaller island off the coast of the main island.

Carlton Cuse: It does really exist and uh we like that island.

Damon Lindelof: We like it a lot.

Carlton Cuse: I like to call it Damonville.

Damon Lindelof: Carlton has a picture of that island in his wallet.

Carlton Cuse: I had a picture of Damon but I changed it for a picture of Damonville, the Island.

Damon Lindelof: Thank god. Carlton the next question is very long and there are four parts to it. I’ve selected the two that I like the most.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: You guys are charismatic geniuses. This is the subject heading, by FutureDesmond.

Carlton Cuse: Can we just stop there?

Damon Lindelof: If it were FutureDesmond, he sent this from the future I guess. I’d never thought I would write in but I miss your podcasts so much I’d rather thought I’d make a plea for it’s return and ask a few questions while I’m at it. Question number 1. When Kate and Sawyer were getting it on I noticed perfectly shaped pits on Kate, now I lived in circumstances similar to them and the armpit bush does grow. Why didn’t we go for realism or better yet where is Kate’s armpit hair?

Carlton Cuse: Wow, busted. I mean you know, I guess I’d like to know about the caves that this person was living in.

Damon Lindelof: Ya, so. Under certain circumstances.

Carlton Cuse: Did he like live in a polar bear cage? That’s fantastic. Umm…

Damon Lindelof: I like uh…where is it, like the idea that you know the Others have it in a box somewhere you know that it’s a mystery, there’s a hatch yet to be discovered that has Kate’s armpit hair.

Carlton Cuse: Now assume you can clone from someone’s DNA, can you clone from someone’s armpit hair?

Damon Lindelof: Absolutely.

Carlton Cuse: That’s fantastic.

Damon Lindelof: They would be very stinky though.

Carlton Cuse: That’s like Season 8, there’s just the armpit hair clone version, and they wipe out the zombies.

Damon Lindelof: Yes.

Carlton Cuse: That’s awesome.

Damon Lindelof: That’s good.

Carlton Cuse: Umm You know I would say that there’s a certain creative license we take in terms of the character’s hygiene on the show, I don’t think everybody wants to uh see the episode where like Sawyer is picking fleas off of Kate. Although you do.

Damon Lindelof: What?

Carlton Cuse: I know, I know. That’s a good episode. Um, but um

Damon Lindelof: Can we put this is the same category as when people ask why don’t we ever see Jack Bauer go to the bathroom in 24, if the show is in real time. And the answer is because you don’t.

Carlton Cuse: Ya.

Damon Lindelof: You think you do but you don’t.

Carlton Cuse: And you know, my god, what actually happens if you know he has some like irritable bowel syndrome. I mean that would be like four episodes. They’d just knock those right off.

Damon Lindelof: What do you mean, if? Uh, so here’s part 2 that…

Carlton Cuse: Oh my god. There’s more?

Damon Lindelof: Ya, well you can only imagine the one’s that I’m leaving out. Also what happened last season with the cutting of the love scene between Rose and Bernard? I would have loved to see them get it on. Is the network ageist, racist or was it really triple X rated?

Carlton Cuse: That is maybe the greatest question ever.

Damon Lindelof: It’s right up there.

Carlton Cuse: It’s right up there. Um their um, that scene is available on the Swedish DVDs. You’d actually have to mail order those and uh I think if you speak to Kris, our producer he’ll get you an address.

Damon Lindelof: You actually have a warrant out for your arrest in the state of Minnesota, I believe for writing that scene. You broke some laws there, I don’t know how…

Carlton Cuse: There weren’t exactly several. Every time I go to the mall of America now, I have to disguise myself as hobby.

Damon Lindelof: Also, FutureDesmond’s mother and FutureDesmond’s father are concerned that Sun and Jin have really not appeared, because we show that Sayid gets back and we didn’t show Sun and Jin so…

Carlton Cuse: They’re fine. Don’t worry they’re okay.

Damon Lindelof: I’ll apologize for that. At least one of them is perfectly fine.

Carlton Cuse: They’re both fine.

Damon Lindelof: The other one may or may not be hurt.

Carlton Cuse: They’re both totally excellent.

Damon Lindelof: Alright.

Carlton Cuse: And they’re happy. And they’re on the beach. And they’re doing, they’re doing Pilates. Umm Anyways…

Damon Lindelof: Did you just say Pilates? Is that like when you’re stretching and drinking your…frothy…

Carlton Cuse: Hey when you do a Pilate they double your exercise.

Damon Lindelof: Pilates…

Carlton Cuse: Um by the way speaking of the sex Kate I just need to ask you part of this question. It’s under the title “Are we that dumb?” posted by Gail Vidella.

Damon Lindelof: There seems to be a recurring theme here.

Carlton Cuse: There does seem to be a recurring theme here. Our IQs seem to have dropped perceptively since our last podcast. Um um not only was that sex scene ridiculous the cage Kate and Sawyer F-ed in was not the same cage Sawyer was locked up in. Once the clothes came off did you see how much bigger and more roomy that cage was? How did the water hole bear-feeding machine disappear all of a sudden so they had enough room to roll around and why all of sudden did these two’s hormones get excited? Certainly there have been lots of opportunities prior to coming to island 2 for these two to get it on at least in a cleaner environment.

Damon Lindelof: Wow. First off Kate and Sawyer specifically reserved the honeymoon cage. So that explains the extra added space and the release of the machine. Nope all be honest with you we have dailies we shot that scene in exactly the same, the same set that Sawyer’s been in all season. Um. I apologize that uh that uh you think that we are again violating uh, insulting your intelligence but all we can do is say we didn’t.

Carlton Cuse: Okay. That’s it.

Damon Lindelof: On a more serious tip Carlton, my final question of the final podcast. Will the real leader of the Others please stand up? By Discard31271. 190 posts in the last 90 days. That’s impressive. D & C my question is when will you show us who the leader of the Others really is? Or is Ben really the leader? Ben mentioned another man in season 2 so I’m really wondering when and who.

Carlton Cuse: Wow. Well you know that’s a very good question. And I think uh a very perceptive question and I think um it’s one that we can’t really answer. I mean obviously there’s been mention of a guy named Jacob, and Jacob’s list. And for those of you who actually like the Bible references you might um know that Jacob is the father of the twelve tribes of Israel. And that Benjamin is his youngest son. So…

Damon Lindelof: You and your religion. Again. Enough.

Carlton Cuse: Do you think that there that are actually the twelve tribes of Israel are um actually living on the Island? And they are all governed by Jacob.

Damon Lindelof: I think that uh are you reading my somebody’s question right now?

Carlton Cuse: That actually is part of a question. That part.

Damon Lindelof: So you’re dodging right now? You’re not going to say Ben isn’t the leader; you’re not going to say there’s another leader. You’re just saying this Jacob character is very interesting. We should keep our eyes peeled.

Carlton Cuse: I think that would be a very good way to say it. And I don’t think I could say it any better that you just did say it. I’m keeping my eyes peeled.

Damon Lindelof: Are you going to try?

Carlton Cuse:Yes. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for this Jacob fellow. And find out who…

Damon Lindelof: I thought you said you couldn’t say it any better?

Carlton Cuse: Now I’m nervous, it’s hard. I’m feeling very self conscious right now as I talk about Jacob.

Damon Lindelof: Oh hey, before I forget over on my bulletin board is written on a piece of paper Shout out for Shane Stoltz and I always look at it and I say why did I write that, what is that doing there and then I remembered a couple days ago you and I were walking to lunch…

Carlton Cuse: Oh ya.

Damon Lindelof: And one man came up to us and said hey, he recognized us. It was the most exciting thing ever, like..

Carlton Cuse: We’re on the Disney lot and people usually just push us of to the sidewalk..

Damon Lindelof: Completely ignore us.

Carlton Cuse:…Going through to the compesary.

Damon Lindelof: Ya, but he said I listen to your guys podcast and I love it so Shane if you are still listening we love you and…

Carlton Cuse: Thank you.

Damon Lindelof: Here’s your shout out, Shane Stoltz.

Carlton Cuse: Shout out.

Damon Lindelof: Is there a shout out, is there a shout out music.

Carlton Cuse: I think Chris’ ears were just damaged there.

Damon Lindelof: It’s the new microphones.

Carlton Cuse: Can I ask you one final question? This is a pretty easy one.

Damon Lindelof: I suppose.

Carlton Cuse: Ben Linus, Michael Emerson, what a great character. I really do love to hate him. I hope he will be around for a long long time. Emerson the guy who plays him keeps me glued to the Tube. Excellent this is one for the bad guy hall of fame. You’re not going to let him die in that operating room table, are you Damon?

Damon Lindelof: No.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: He will however die in a tragic fishing accident two episodes from now.

Carlton Cuse: That would be the very definition of irony. But listen, we’re happy to be back. Sorry the gears were a little rusty today.

Damon Lindelof: But we’re only back long enough to…

Carlton Cuse:…Say good bye. Ya, but um you know maybe we’ll pop out with another podcast here and we could prehash the episode we’re writing.

Damon Lindelof: I suppose we could.

Carlton Cuse: Or we could talk about Day Break again.

Damon Lindelof: I like talking about Day Break.

Carlton Cuse: Or Heroes.

Damon Lindelof: I love Heroes.

Carlton Cuse: Or Studio 60.

Damon Lindelof: Also good.

Carlton Cuse: Thirty Rock.

Damon Lindelof: Don’t watch.

Carlton Cuse: Jericho.

Damon Lindelof: Don’t watch.

Carlton Cuse: Shark.

Damon Lindelof: Don’t watch.

Carlton Cuse: Ummmm, Me and the Boys.

Damon Lindelof: No, I hear it’s good though.

Carlton Cuse: Uhhh, reruns of Sex in the City.

Damon Lindelof: Yes.

Carlton Cuse: Ummm, Howard Stern.

Carlton Cuse: Um, okay. Alright, well thank you guys.

Damon Lindelof: Godspeed, happy holidays, merry Christmas to all those who tried to convert. And Happy Hanukkah.

Carlton Cuse: We love you guys and will see you in the new year.

Damon Lindelof: Hoho.

Carlton Cuse: Bye.

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