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| − | ==The EMP Did Not split Desmond's Mind == |
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| − | *Contrary to what is below, the EMP did not split Desmond's mind, it was a near death experience that caused him to become aware of the reality that he could be living if he doesn't help Widmore. Much like the near death experience with Charlie in the FST showed him a glimpse of the OT. By seeing a life in which Penny doesn't know him and he has no child, he is now willing to help Widmore. But not because he was switched with the FST Desmond, but because he thinks that the FST was what Widmore was referring to when he said something to the effect of "if you dont help me, this will all have been for nothing." |
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| − | ==Desmond Cannot be Killed by The Smoke Monster== |
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| − | *The purpose of the experiment was to confirm Widmore's theory that Desmond is unaffected by electromagnetic forces. It will follow from this that: |
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| − | **The Smoke Monster is fundamentally electromagnetic in nature and it will be unable to kill Desmond. |
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| − | **Desmond is somehow "related" to both Jacob and the MIB, the affect of the experiment was to restore the memory/knowledge of this fact to Desmond, which is why he is now compliant. |
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| − | ***Desmond IS Jacob. |
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| − | *The sonic fence keeps out the smoke monster. Desmond will have to lure MIB into an EM trap in order to kill him and once again be exposed to the EM himself. |
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| − | **There is no reason that the person who lures MIB into a trap needs to live. Widmore seems ready to sacrifice anything and anyone to achieve his goals. |
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| − | ***But if the person dies in a fashion that would indicate EM killed him, MiB won't follow. He'll know it's a trap. |
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| − | ***Additionally, Widmore is distressed by the fact that Penny currently hates him. Allowing Desmond to die will not help him win back Penny's love. |
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| − | ***Desmond can't die yet because he hasn't read <i>Our Mutual Friend</i> by Charles Dickens yet. |
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| − | *It seems more likely Charles Widmore, along with Eloise, is aware of the flash sideways universe. Subjecting Desmond to the electromagnetic force was most likely done to channel Desmond as a messenger between the two universes. |
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| − | *Desmond is NOT "unaffected by electromagnetic forces". Clearly it DOES affect him. It causes him to experience an alternate timeline (as indicated in other episodes), specifically the FST (in this episode), as inferred by his subsequent change of attitude (following his vision) and his statement to Minkowski (in the FST) at the ending of this episode. This would not necessarily make him automatically immune to the MIB's electromagnetic smoke. |
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| − | **Desmond can not be killed by EM it was proved when he was put into the box he survived that EM that's all they wanted to see if he could. He was only passed out for a few seconds. |
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| − | *The argument is moot because electromagnetism is not the only way to kill a man. Desmond can be easily killed using a gun, for example. Not to mention that Smoke Monster usually kills people by throwing them around and smashing them against things, not by inflicting some electromagnetic damage. |
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| − | ** Yes but if the smoke monster is made of EM then Desmond is like one of those pylons. He can not be touched by the smoke monster. And if the island isn't done with him yet then he can not be killed by a gun. Remember Michael trying to kill himself and then Keamy trying to shoot him couldn't be shot. So Desmond can not and will not die til he has served his purpose. |
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| − | * It could just drop something on Des' head like it did to Bram. |
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| − | * Desmond is CLEARLY affected by electromagnetic forces. In alternate timeline - MRI - Magnetic Resonance Imaging works by creating extremely powerful magnetic field. As we saw, it clearly worked on Desmond and made him see "visions". |
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==The Scales== |
==The Scales== |
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*In Widmore's office, there is a perfectly balanced scale, much like the Man in Black's. This may mean that this timeline is truly balanced instead of one side (white/Jacob) hindering another side (black/MIB). |
*In Widmore's office, there is a perfectly balanced scale, much like the Man in Black's. This may mean that this timeline is truly balanced instead of one side (white/Jacob) hindering another side (black/MIB). |
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*There are two paintings in Widmore's FST office (although this may be a blooper), the one on the left, when facing the window, seems to be tipped to the black side, the one on the right was balanced. They probably are like a fable, telling about evil (tipped to the black, uneven) and good (balance between evil and good, free will). |
*There are two paintings in Widmore's FST office (although this may be a blooper), the one on the left, when facing the window, seems to be tipped to the black side, the one on the right was balanced. They probably are like a fable, telling about evil (tipped to the black, uneven) and good (balance between evil and good, free will). |
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| − | =="Seeing"== |
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| − | *Desmond will find each of the important Losties in the FST and "show" them what Charlie "showed" him. Many of them are already having deja vu. |
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| − | **Agreed, the deja vu of the Losties in the FST relatively simplistic, like "haven't I met you before" when they see other Losties. Desmond has more value, per se. He and Charlie are the only ones so far to connect a few more dots than the rest. Desmond will be a major force leading up the end result off the island. It's pretty clear Charlie won't make too much an effort in this, except possibly to get back with Claire. |
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| − | *As soon they begin to question their perfect lives, everything goes to hell. This has already happened to Sun and Jin. It will soon happen with Desmond, as his pursuit of Penny and his disobedience to Widmore will undoubtedly cause friction between him and his employer. |
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| − | *From Desmond and Charlie the rest of the fliers in the alternate 815 will band together to correct the timeline. In such an event the alternate losties will gradually see more of their original lives, eventually causing their original selves to bleed into their alternate life. |
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| − | *This may be the first hint that things we have seen in shows before are actually happening in an alternitive timeline instead of the liniar one we believed it to be, such as Charlie turning up at Hurleys mental asylum, alive and well, and telling Hurley "I'm alive here, but the people back there need you" this statement would be absolutely true if this is the case. Charlie was not dead or a ghost, hurleys friend also see's him. |
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| − | *** It may be possible that every-time a character dies in OT they go to FST like Juliette. Hurley isn't seeing dead people but people visiting him from the FST. |
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| − | ****counter-argument - this cannot always be the case since there is no way Richard's wife is still alive in any timeline. |
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==Love== |
==Love== |
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*This may be why Juliet, before dying, talks about going Dutch for a cup of coffee and then tells Sawyer she has something very important to tell him. |
*This may be why Juliet, before dying, talks about going Dutch for a cup of coffee and then tells Sawyer she has something very important to tell him. |
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*I don't believe it's necessarily a near-death experience that can or will trigger flashes. It happens when they have a similar interaction or experience in the FST. In the OT, Charlie is hanged and suffocated by Ethan. In the FST he is suffocating on the bag on heroin. In the OT, Daniel meets a young Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, he sees Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, Desmond is watching a drowning Charlie put his hand to the glass from the other side of a closed door. In the OT, the same thing happens in the Looking Glass station. Of course, Desmond has another way entirely of experiencing flashes as well. |
*I don't believe it's necessarily a near-death experience that can or will trigger flashes. It happens when they have a similar interaction or experience in the FST. In the OT, Charlie is hanged and suffocated by Ethan. In the FST he is suffocating on the bag on heroin. In the OT, Daniel meets a young Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, he sees Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, Desmond is watching a drowning Charlie put his hand to the glass from the other side of a closed door. In the OT, the same thing happens in the Looking Glass station. Of course, Desmond has another way entirely of experiencing flashes as well. |
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| − | ==Psychoanalytic Explanation of Split Timelines== |
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| − | *It makes sense now to view the double timelines in something like psychoanalytic terms. The people in the FST have dim memories/consciousness of their lives in the OT. They are like people who due to trauma have repressed tragic events. Psychoanalysis and related practices have often aimed at what one may call reintegration, which entails people remembering what they have repressed, which despite concomitant pain, they must do in order to be complete, whole, and fully happy. Thus, in "Happily Ever After," Desmond, Daniel, and Charlie have vague memories of the painful lives they have Lost (get it?). Yes, those lives were full of pain, but those lives also contained the love of their lives, and without one there is not the other. An end to the season/series is now imaginable (it was not for a long time): the characters will somehow reintegrate both sets of selves, OT and FST, a process that requires their agency, their choice. It is reminiscent of the Japanese animated film, Neon Genesis Evangelion. It will be interesting to see how it all eventually works out in Lost. |
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| − | ==Eloise wants the FST to continue== |
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| − | *Eloise wants the FST to continue, rather than the OT. Everything she has done points to her manipulating events to help perpetuate the FST: She kills her own son in OT 1977. Because she acquires Faraday's journal in 1977, and because whatever happened, happened, years later she is aware of this fact when she tells Desmond he isn't supposed to buy the ring and marry Penny, she says he is supposed to go to the island. Similarly, in OT 2007 she tells Des that the island isn't done with him yet. This is because she knows Desmond is the key to reconciling one timeline over the other, and she wants the FST to survive. Similarly, she helps the Oceanic 6 to return to the island, at the same time helping to create Mib's loophole. In the FST, when Des asks her about Penny, she tells Desmond he's not ready, that he has everything he's ever wanted, and to stop looking for whatever he's looking for. She wants Desmond to avoid meeting Penny because it would trigger his awareness that the OT is the "true" reality; she wants to prevent that meeting until MiB is free and the OT "ceases to be". Eloise has everything to gain from this. In FST, her son is still alive, and she is living an affluent life married to Charles Widmore. Penny does not seem to be much of a factor in their lives in the FST, whereas in the OT it was Widmore's off island family that led to his exile and the apparent rift between Charles and Eloise. |
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| − | * I believe that Eloise does not think that desmond deserves to find out about the OT because he never listened to her so she doesnt think that he deserves to be with penny [[User:Lockerocklocke|Lockerocklocke]] 16:26, April 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | *Eloise is working for MiB and has been all along. As described above, she helped to perpetuate the series of events that have created the Sideways reality. She also makes mention of a "violation", something she is upset about, as she does not want Desmond to disrupt the Sideways reality. |
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| − | **Eloise is MIB having finally got off the Island. |
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| − | ***Eloise is the MIB's Crazy mother. She is the one who has set up the rules. She is the governing body which determines the rules by which things are played out. She isn't omniscient, but she does know about various timelines. |
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| − | * She wants FST to continue because in it her son, Daniel (which she herself killed) is still alive. |
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==Desmond as a "great Man"== |
==Desmond as a "great Man"== |
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*Desmond has embraced choice and destiny. He knows, generally, what he is "supposed to do" and has decided to follow his destiny. That is why he follows Sayid, it is supposed to happen that way.[[User:Cabeckett|Cabeckett]] 16:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC) |
*Desmond has embraced choice and destiny. He knows, generally, what he is "supposed to do" and has decided to follow his destiny. That is why he follows Sayid, it is supposed to happen that way.[[User:Cabeckett|Cabeckett]] 16:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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*Stadiums figure in both Desmond's OT and LST worlds. In these scenes, he is shown among concentric and straight lines, which signifies his role as man living within a larger design. |
*Stadiums figure in both Desmond's OT and LST worlds. In these scenes, he is shown among concentric and straight lines, which signifies his role as man living within a larger design. |
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| − | Daniel Faraday (Widmore) indicates that he believes that he at one point helped detonate an atomic bomb. This seems to indicate that Juliet did succesfully detonate Jughead, and that its detonation caused a timeline split in order to ensure that "What ever happened, happened." This would also mean that all differences between FST and OT officially begin in 1977. |
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| − | * While the event of the bomb going off occurred in '77, there is the question of did the timelines split at that point, or did the Jughead explosion also undo key events leading up to the explosion? |
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| − | * Jughead must have undone at least some events leading up to the explosion since the FST (which veered off from OT in 1977) includes Roger Linus (who apparently was on the island before the detonation), Ben (presumably unaffected by the healing done at the Temple, ie "loss of innocence"), Eloise & Charles (who also were on the island during the detonation). Yet FST Eloise at least some knowledge of the original timeline. |
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| − | ** Pre-explosion in the OT Roger was on the island (or just recently evacuated) and Ben was with the others, whereas in the FST Roger talked about how they left the island and was wondering if the their lives could have been different if they had stayed. Therefore the explosion must have undone some pre 1977 events too, since Roger and Ben could not have just left the island together pre-explosion and even if somehow they had, Roger would have been wondering what their lives were like if they hadnt evacuated and would have known about the explosion. |
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| − | ** It's not necessarily the case that events had to have been altered pre-explosion. From the last time we saw Widmore, Hawking, and Roger, they would have had enough time to evacuate the island prior to the incident occurring (especially considering an evacuation was underway already). Additionally, it's not clear how quickly the island collapsed/exploded. Given that no one knows what the exact repurcussions of the H-bomb/electromagentic interaction would be, it's feasible a "slow burn" may have destroyed the island (a gradual sinking over hours or days), that would have allowed for a more comprehensive evacuation. |
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| − | **Whatever happened happened. Events before Jughead are FIXED. Unaltered. |
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| − | * FST is the OT circa 1977 that simply continued after the detonation. Because OT Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Daniel, et al were displaced in time at the time jughead detonated, their young 1977 selves were able to continue along their OT paths, but without the intervention of Jacob. With Jacob or some other force no longer at play, significant changes exist in the FST when viewed against the OT circa 2007. It is notable that along with the many changes within the main characters' lives, Widmore and Ben no longer have any connection. |
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| − | *There are two possibilities: |
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| − | One - Jughead goes ka-boom on the Island. Having said that it does not automatically mean that people on the island are dead right away. The H-Bomb theoretically can sink an island that big, but remember that the explosion happened underground (and considerably deep, deeper than 20 meters for sure, judging by the looks of the shaft where it fell. This would create a hollowness and eventually sink the island, but it would still take time (I'm not sure if it would even sink the island, but it could). |
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| − | Two - Faraday says that he wants to blow up an H-Bomb to negate the energy found inside the island. The negation of that energy may mean literally canceling things out, and breaking the bottle (as MiB alluded a couple of episodes back). That means that while the bomb goes ka-boom, the energy of that ka-boom is used up to negate the electromagnetic energy, which, if it is possible, would still give a good shake to the ground, but would be considerably smaller, since part of the jughead energy went to negate the electromagnetism. |
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| − | * You can't "sink" an island, they are not floating masses, they are merely the peaks of a geologic feature. You could blow up an island, but you can't cause it to take on water and sink. |
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| − | ** It is common geological knowledge, however, that landmasses do rise and fall when humans tinker with the underlying surface. Petroleum drilling and aquifer pumping can sink landmasses while pumping excess carbon dioxide into the ground can raise it back up. The strange ability for the Island to disappear - which also can not happen to islands - coupled with the interaction of the strange electromagnetic energy pocket with the nuclear explosion is enough of an explanation for an Island having sunk without going into unnecessary details not dealing with the story. |
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| − | A major anomalous event, such as the Jughead explosion, could create ripples forward as well as backward in time, especially given that the losties traveled to many different points of time before 1977 and couldn't do so if they never reached the Island. Therefore, the explosion is the cause of the creation of the FST, but it's not the starting point of the differences -- things can be different before 1977. |
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| − | *One cannot change the past via changing something in the future: it has to do with future and the past of the light cone. If the explosion of jughead could change something in the past that would violate causality, and causality is a build-in concept in out universe, that cannot be changed. |
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| − | *One effect of the backwards ripple is sinking the Island before the DI and possibly even before the Black Rock arrived. |
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| − | ** Except that Roger talks about Linus and him being on the Island with the Dharma Initiative. |
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| − | ** And the Barracks are seen on the "sunken" island. |
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| − | *** Ok so here's some food for thought: In what we consider the OT is Seasons 1-5. When the losties travel back into 1977 (actually, by the time Jughead is detonated it's 1980, because Sawyer and crew lived there for 3 years before Jack and crew came back.) They evac the island and Jughead goes off, Split. I dont think that the Seasons 1 - 5 is really considered an "orignial timeline" at all, it's just another sideways universe between the years of 1980 and say 2007. If you take a striaght line then split it into two lines which continue on, they are both beside each other until they merge into one again, if they do at all. So anyways back to the split. Yes Roger linus admitted they were on the island. How do we know that he wasn't evacuated. He merely suggested that things may have been different if they had stayed. We haven't met FST Miles father yet, we only know that he works at the museum. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that he knows just like FST Eloise. They met the ("OS losties) back before they left the island. I'll bet you anything that if the FST losties traveled back in time, they'd meet the OT losties. I think the Jughead sunk the island. which we saw in LA X, the broken statue and New Otherton. There proves that where it split. What a real question is, is how much does FST Dr. Candle, Eloise and Charles know about the other timeline. It also explains why Eloise didn't push Daniel to go the Physics route. because she killed him herself, and when the timeline split, she let him follow his heart. It almost seems that between the two timelines there is a dark timeline and a light one. Where Jacob and MIB figure into the FST is another question. Any ideas? Where this is all heading, I have my own thoughts, but would rather just see how it ends by watching. I hope this all makes sense since i'm typing as i go. |
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| − | ****You are suggesting that, for the duration of the show, there have been two timelines that were split at the Jughead explosion. One is what we call the OT and is off-balance in one direction, and the other is what we call the FST, and is off balance in the other direction. It just so happens that the show chose to focus on one timeline (the so-called OT), but this doesn't make it somehow better or stronger. So reuniting the timelines does not return to some state we've already seen in earlier seasons, but some third, unified timeline the show has not yet depicted. |
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| − | *One reality (the "OT") would be the straight result of the time travel without the ripples and the other with the ripples (FST). |
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| − | *The timeline did not split when the bomb was detonated, but rather when the events that led up to the detonation of the bomb first interfered with the OT. Therefore the change would have began at the furthest point back in time, when the "time-jumpers" (i.e. Locke and crew) walked into the army camp and spoke with Richard in 1955 (not sure of the exact year). It could possibly have happened even further back during the "statue" time-jump, but they didn't really do anything during that jump that would have interfered with the OT. This could also be the extreme measures that MIB speaks of when he says "You have no idea what I've been through to be here." to Jacob. He may have steered Locke in a direction to interfere with the OT and therefore direct the entire timeline to allow his plan to come to fruition. Case in point: MIB told Richard to tell Locke that he would need to talk with him in the next time-jump, therefore, without MIB's intervention, would Locke have ever become the leader, if Richard was never told that he would be? And if Locke had never become leader, MIB would never get his chance to take Locke's form and enter Jacob's lair. |
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| − | **They did do something significant during the statue jump - Locke turned the wheel and stopped the time-jumps. If the wheel was out of alignment at that point in time (1800's or earlier) and then Locke showed up and fixed it, it's possible that the FST timeline is one in which the wheel stayed out of alignment for longer, or never came off its axis to begin with. |
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| − | *The detonation of jughead enabled the OT since it helped to negate the EM influence. The FST is a parallel reality in which the sending of Daniel Faraday to the Island never occured,because his mother decided in this reality not to sacrifice her son's life for the Island. In this scenario the Island sank because of the EM burst at the swan caused by Dharma (the sinking was not immediate). |
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| − | In "Happily ever after", Eloise tells Desmond that he has "...the perfect life and has attained the thing he wanted most", being Charles Widmore's respect. As this statement comes from Eloise, it begs the question: Is the FST a place where life is perfect and desires are met? In examining the FST characters so far; |
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| − | * Desmond - has perfect life and respect of Charles Widmore (yet has no love, does not have Penny) |
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| − | * Jack - successful Doctor, has a son (Is single) |
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| − | * Locke - engaged to Helen, seemingly at peace and happy working as substitute teacher (but still a paraplegic in a wheelchair) |
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| − | * Ben - educated man, caring son to Roger, cares about teaching students (but has no power. He has Alex, but only as student, not as daughter) |
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| − | * Sayid - Nadia is alive again and in his life (As an in-law, not wife) |
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| − | * Hurley - considers himself the luckiest man in the world as opposed to unlucky |
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| − | * Sun & Jin - are very happy together (though not married) |
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| − | ** Except Sun just got shot and perhaps has lost the baby. |
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| − | *The FST timeline is meant to show that you can't have everything. To gain something, you have to sacrifice something else. |
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| − | '''Theory''': the FST is where people get what they want, and are relatively contented with life, but in someway they have had to forego or sacrifice something very important. So they are not actually "happy". |
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| − | *This theory excludes Kate, Sawyer, Rose, Charlie, and depending on what happens to them, Jin and Sun. |
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| − | **Ford is on the right side of the law. Whether or not he finds Sawyer hasn't been determined. (He is also alone in life) |
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| − | **Rose and Charlie have yet to have an episode focused on them on the FST. They are relatively minor characters and might not have any further exposition. |
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| − | ***Rose is successful working for Hurley but still has cancer. Bernard has apparently accepted her illness, but may lose her. |
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| − | ***Charlie's band is still together and is apparently popular. His brother doesn't live in Australia. But he doesn't have Claire and is still a junkie. |
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| − | **Kate's might take a minute to explain. In the OT she committed a "justified homicide" from which she rightfully escaped with no guilt or remorse for either the murder or her escape. In the FST she killed an innocent man on accident. It is possible she feels guilty and ultimately desires to pay for her crime, and it appears she will. |
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| − | ***Kate wanted to save Claire and make sure she and Aaron were together, which she did, but she loses her freedom. |
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| − | ****The problem with this is, Kate hadn't met Claire until the Flight 815. I have a problem believing her heart's desire is to help a total stranger. I still think FST Kate wants to come to justice and pay for her crimes. |
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| − | *****OT Kate wanted to save Claire and reunite her with Aaron. It was her only motivation for the last couple seasons and still is. The theory is that the OT characters get what they want most. Thus, in the FST Claire gets to be with Aaron because the flight doesn't crash and the adopters backed out. Kate has to face still being wanted because it wasn't the wish she asked for. |
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| − | **Faraday is alive and a pianist, which is what he wanted to be as a child, but doesn't have Charlotte. |
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| − | ***On a related note, the Widmores don't lose their son and are married. Downside? |
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| − | **Miles never lived a life estranged/separated from his father. Downside? |
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| − | Desires are met but in a very superficial form, kind of a "be careful what you wish for" when the devil / a genie / etc grants you a wish and gives you exactly what you ask for but in a way you didn't anticipate. ("I want to be famous" -> you are a notorious serial killer in prison.) |
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| − | The FST is a way to placate one or more people by giving them what someone (Eloise? MiB?) thinks they want. But it is like life in a gilded cage and once the fun wears away, it is unsatisfying, saccharine. |
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| − | What is interesting to note about these ideas are the political theories of Jeremy Bentham and JJ Rousseau. Bentham (who is in Lost, in essence, MIB) boiled down to a line states "find out what everyone wants, and give it to them," where as Rousseau states that "determine laws for yourself and live by them/giving into pleasure is slavery." The juxtaposition between these two seem to fit MIB and Jacob quite fittingly. In that, the OT would align itself more with Roussean theory, and the FST would align itself more with Bethamian theory. If we are to believe the choice of these political theorists as something more than casual, it would seem to make sense that the FST is the timeline that represents, perhaps, the MIB winning. |
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| − | This is a serious misstatement of both theories. Bentham's utilitarianism does postulate the greater happiness of the greater numbers as the criterion for the evaluation of governance; however, it considers such desirable governance to be an outcome of rational individual choices. Rousseau's 'communitarianism', in fact, places even stronger emphasis on communal good conceptualised as General Will. |
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| − | As in "Donnie Darko", the people who died in the original timeline are being used (by Jacob?) to move the living Island dwellers towards their destinies, which is back on the Island in the original timeline. This would explain why Minkowski, Charlie and Daniel each seem to be moving Desmond towards Penny, which ultimately leads Desmond to take action to join the timelines. In fact, the dead are influencing the main characters all over the place in the sideways timeline (Sawyer and Charlotte, Sayid and Nadia, Keamy and Omar, Jin /Sun and Keamy, Omar and Mikhail,Claire and Ethan, etc.) |
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==See You in Another Life Brother== |
==See You in Another Life Brother== |
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The Scales
- In Widmore's office, there is a perfectly balanced scale, much like the Man in Black's. This may mean that this timeline is truly balanced instead of one side (white/Jacob) hindering another side (black/MIB).
- There are two paintings in Widmore's FST office (although this may be a blooper), the one on the left, when facing the window, seems to be tipped to the black side, the one on the right was balanced. They probably are like a fable, telling about evil (tipped to the black, uneven) and good (balance between evil and good, free will).
Love
- Both Charlie and Daniel talk about a profound love. Both also imply that an awareness of that love made them realize the FST wasn't the only reality. When Jacob meets Sun and Jin at their wedding in "The Incident" he talks of the importance of their love.
- It seems that this "love" is an important element in unifying the two time lines.
- The people that they're in love with are their constants, which is why they're beginning too see the FST. It might have to be true love, though, which is why it isn't working for the likes of Jin and Sun. Or maybe it's something else because Jack loves Kate and in "LA X" they didn't notice each other but they did in "What Kate Does".
- It seems that when love happens, bad things occur. This is why Eloise Widmore wants to stop Desmond. She is clearly aware of the nature of things in the FST.
- Its not that bad things occur with love, it seems that the connections they formed on the journey with the island transcends the timelines. When they either encounter them or have a close death experience the connections are strong enough to bleed through, as if the love is not just at first sight but an experience from another whole life. It seems that this is what will wake the people of the alternate timelines, and Eloise knows the path that will follow if they choose to chase after these connections.
- Real love is such a power (white force) that it allows no alternative. It is a part of or even the reason for Course-correction. Its opposite force (dark force), which overrules sideways too, is probably death.
- The FST is the universe where no love and no evil exist, everything is just...well ok/content. The OT is the universe where love exists, but also a great evil. This is why Desmond and everyone wants to end the FST timeline - while everyone is content, no-one will experience the strongest human emotions: love and hate.
- Bernard and Rose still seem very much in love, as do Locke and Helen.
- Jin and Sun seem very much in love in the FST. Jin is, evidently, risking his life to be with Sun; Sun is prepared to leave everything behind to be with Jin. As for evil, Sawyer's parents are still dead.
- Love is a central theme of the show, and it is the centerpiece of the battle between The Man in Black and Jacob. The MiB causes a lack of love or compassion (evidenced by Sayid's recent attitude, and Claire lacks the compassion she once had but still shows some feeling). Jacob fights to make sure that the MiB does not escape. If he does escape, then as Widmore said, all relationships with loved ones will cease to exist. The loved ones won't disappear, but the compassion they felt will disappear.
- Love will be closely related to the issue of child birth. It will turn out that there are two candidates, and they are in love with each other. The child born of this union will be central to the final answer. Why start an alternative timeline in 1977, when you could start it at the very beginning of the human race. E.g. Adam and Eve. This maybe one of the main aims of the Dharma Initiative. Create a human race free from original sin.
- The alternative timeline is due to a Schrodinger's cat with Jughead, both timelines were contiguous beforehand, I doubt that DI planned to go back 200,000 years to start humanity from there.
Near-death experiences
- Quite possibly, Charlotte was the first to have “visions” of a sideways existence, under the duress of dying. She made references to historical characters. In “This Place Is Death”, she says: "I know more about ancient Carthage than Hannibal himself.” And she mentions eating chocolate. Sideways Charlotte works at a museum and Dan saw her eating chocolate. Hopefully, the other statement that Charlotte uttered will become a happy reality: "You know what my mother would say about me marrying an American." Dan and Charlotte married? Maybe?!!!
- Too bad Faraday is not an American.
- He seems pretty American to me. No accent. The mother could be referring to Daniel Widmore's naturalized status as one.
- When Charlotte mentioned "eating chocolate" before dying, she was referring to her 1st encounter with Daniel Faraday in 1977.
- Too bad Faraday is not an American.
- Both Charlie and Desmond began experiencing flashes to the OT after a near-death experience. Sun may begin experiencing the flashes as well due to her gunshot wound.
- This may be why Juliette's last thoughts were "it worked" she was near death at the time and whitnessed a flash sideways.
- Sayid may have had a similar experience at the temple when they tried to drown him. I thought of this because Desmond had the same jaded attitude that Sayid had.
- Desmond also experienced flashes during the MRI (which subjected him to magnetic forces, sort of like Widmore's machine on Hydra Island but on a smaller scale). It's not clear whether a near-death experience is _necessary_, or whether it's merely one of many possible ways to trigger the flashes. Daniel apparently had flashes as well that inspired him to write down the quantum equations but there's no evidence that Daniel experienced either a near-death experience or a magnetic event. Instead it seems to have been triggered by seeing Charlotte (blue eyes, red hair), the woman he loved in the OT.
- Daniel is very sensitive. The very sight of Charlotte evoked intense memories of love and the devastation of witnessing Charlotte's painful and tragic death.He is experiencing the memory of feelings rather than the memory of events associated with those feelings.In an earlier season, Daniel was weeping when he saw TV coverage of the "discovery of 815", without knowing why.
- Daniel suffered extensive brain damage due to the tests conducted during his research, which could involved EM exposure. Also, Charlie was in the hatch when Desmond turned the failsafe key, which initially gave him this "gift", according to Widmore.
- Charlie had left the hatch prior to Desmond turning the key.
- It is possible that the death of one of them in the alternate timeline will cause their consciousness to reach the originals from the island. It is also possible that the opposite may occur, the original's consciousness bleeding to the alternate timeline.
- This may be why Juliet, before dying, talks about going Dutch for a cup of coffee and then tells Sawyer she has something very important to tell him.
- I don't believe it's necessarily a near-death experience that can or will trigger flashes. It happens when they have a similar interaction or experience in the FST. In the OT, Charlie is hanged and suffocated by Ethan. In the FST he is suffocating on the bag on heroin. In the OT, Daniel meets a young Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, he sees Charlotte eating a candy bar. In the FST, Desmond is watching a drowning Charlie put his hand to the glass from the other side of a closed door. In the OT, the same thing happens in the Looking Glass station. Of course, Desmond has another way entirely of experiencing flashes as well.
Desmond as a "great Man"
- Now Desmond has found purpose in both his flashsideways life and regular timeline life. This is a throwback to Charles Widmore telling him that he will never be a great man.
- Pushing the button in the OT is mirrored by his frequent texting in the FST. The vaccine in the OT is mirrored by alcohol in the FST. Perhaps the repetition is an analogy to the timelines (either FST or OT) repeating or being in a loop.
- In the OT he held the failsafe key, in the FST he IS the failsafe key. When he awakens after the "test" he finally has the courage to use it.
- Desmond has embraced choice and destiny. He knows, generally, what he is "supposed to do" and has decided to follow his destiny. That is why he follows Sayid, it is supposed to happen that way.Cabeckett 16:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Stadiums figure in both Desmond's OT and LST worlds. In these scenes, he is shown among concentric and straight lines, which signifies his role as man living within a larger design.
See You in Another Life Brother
- This is the other life he was talking about (without meaning it)
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