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Fake Locke Cannot Leave the Island

• Fake Locke will never be allowed to leave the island. With Michael's appearance we learned that the 'voices' are those trapped on the Island for wrongdoing. The appearance of the mysterious boy earlier in the season now has some value when he said "you broke the rules". The boy understands what Flocke is trying to do, but Flocke is bound to the island, just like those who have done wrong before. Whether or not you can be absolved of any wrongdoing is still uncertain, however because Flocke has murdered and manipulated so many, he cannot leave.
  • The boy never said "you broke the rules", he said: "You know the rules".
  • Flocke's "evil" is why he is imprisoned on the Island. Its not so much what he did as what he was as to why a prison was made for him.--Zaggs 17:02, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • I think i recall Shannon hearing the whispers, then Walt appearing, even though he was very much alive. Isn't there a chance Michael is lying?
      • This could be either because Walt is "special" in some way and can project himself/talk to anyone, anywhere; or it was MiB impersonating Walt.
      • The whispers are those who have not "moved on." When people are projecting themselves, we are already into the sci-fi territory. It is possible that the act of projecting yourself, like Walt did, had some sort of parallel/alternate "dimension"-type effect, and allowed the whispers to bleed through into reality.
  • This theory revives the discredited "island as purgatory" theory. See, e.g., Purgatory (debunked theory). Assuming he is not lying to Hurley, if Michael's comment is to be interpreted as stating that the whisperers are "lost souls" seeking redemption, this would be a MAJOR revision to the Lost canon.

Hurley's Visitors

• The only dead people who have appeared to Hurley are those who have killed on the island. Hurley has been visited by Charlie (killed Ethan), Eko (killed an Other), Anna Lucia (killed Shannon), Michael (Libby & Anna Lucia). Hurley has also been visited by Jacob, who we don't know to have killed anyone, but Jacob may be appearing to Hurley for different reasons.
• He talked to Richard's wife. She never came to the island.
  • Good point. But then, perhaps Hurley can only talk to people who have not "moved on". People such as Michael, Charlie, etc. have not "moved on" due to their killing. Richard's wife may have failed to "move on" for another reason.
    • More likely there are two reason for spirits not moving on. Either A) following Egyptian mythology they have not figured out how to successfully navigate the afterlife to reach peace or B) The Island is not done with them.
      • Michael told Hugo that he couldn't "move on" because of what he'd done, clearly referring to his killing of Libby and Anna Lucia. That could relate somehow to the island not being done with them, but that's just speculation. All we know at this point is what Michael has stated, that he's prevented from moving on because of what he'd done.
• His friend Dave has visited him as well
  • But Dave never existed as far as we know.

FST CONSCIOUSNESS TO THE RESCUE!

• Desmond is trying and eventually will force Locke's FST consciousness into the OT. That way Flocke become Locke again but merged with the original consciousness of the MIB so that he is the MIB but with consciousness of Locke. I always had a feeling that Locke was going to come back as Locke. Especially because of Jacks "Yeah I know Locke, and I wouldn't give up on him yet" line during the Season 5 finale. This way, Jack become the new Jacob and Locke is the new MIB but instead of warring with each other the will peacefully coexist. Black and White. Yin and Yang.
  • Nah, I don't think that's his plan. Mostly he is trying to make mostly everybody on Flight 815 aware of the other side by making things happen like they did in the original timeline.
  • Flocke cannot become the real Locke!!! He has not taken or possessed Locke's body people! He has simply taken his form. Remember - they made a point of showing Smokey walk by the real Locke's body when he looked like Locke. They've even buried the real Locke. FLOCKE IS NOT LOCKE!
    • This is true; however, MIB does have all of Locke's past thoughts and memories. He is, in effect, the real John Locke plus MIB's personality on top of it (or merged with it, if you prefer). Remove MIB from that equation and you are potentially left with the original Locke.
      • No. Remove MIB from that equation and the equation is broken. Remove MIB from that equation and the real John Locke is still 6 feet under.
• It is possible that FST Locke dying could cause him to resurrect in the OT. All the jokes that Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse keep making about a "Zombie Season" could actually be a hint of this happening. Seeing Locke's hand come out of the dirt a-la-"Kill Bill vol. 2" would be classic!
• He is trying to recreate their most important moments at which point they'll remember their island memories. When Desmond's car went underwater Charlie's scene was recreated which made Desmond remember some memories.Hurley's date with Libby and the kiss made him remember his memories. Similarly he is trying to make Locke remember his island self by leaving him on the road with his back broken.
  • Then Desmond is pretty crude...and I thought it was about love. You know...meeting the woman you love.
    • It's not about Love. It's about what makes everyman tick. Some have that with love, others have that with drowning (desmond and charlie), and others have it with a traumatic incident such as coming very close to dying.

Libby

Why did Libby choose to be in Santa Rosa in the FST?

• Because she was seeing memories from events that never took place. She thought she was losing her marbles.

Why Desmond Hit Locke

Revenge

• Since Desmond's mind is aware of two time-lines and he thought Man in Black was the real Locke, he wanted to take revenge on Locke for throwing him into the well in OT.
  • It is not clear Desmond believes Flocke is Locke.
  • This seems less likely as Desmond has now found his purpose. He did not appear angry or distressed when he ran down Locke. He seemed to have a very good reason for doing it.
  • Or probably Desmond, somehow, knows that Locke and Jack will meet at the hospital, and this encounter (and a physical touch) will lead both to remember the Island timeline.
    • People in the FST can only become cognizant of the OT in one of two ways: A) Due to a near death experience or B)Feeling a love for the first time in the FST with a character they loved on the island in the OT (or re-connecting with their constant if you like). Locke will now have his near death experience and remember in the hospital but Jack will not. Jack will have to wait for his presumed re-connection with Kate before he eventually remembers (as will Kate, killing two birds with one stone as we're running out of episodes now). Which leaves A) Sawyer, B)Sun and C)Jin as the only ones left to remember: A) Sawyer's need to remember opens the door for a possible 'three-way' memory retention scene where Jack, Kate and Sawyer all meet up in the one spot (How about Sawyer arresting Kate and somehow winding up at the hospital in a room with Jack anyone?) B) Sun has a bullet lodged deep in her bladder and so she can't hold on much longer (...thank you!), this near death experience will cause her to remember quite shortly as Jin will presumably be by her side as she fights for her life C) Jin will realise his true love for Sun as he watches her nearly slip away from him and this will be the push he needs to remember the OT. If you argue that Sawyer and Kate wind up at the hospital (which might be a stretch but just go with me on this) you can have an excuse for Locke, Jack, Jin, Sun, Sawyer and Kate being at the hospital at the same time. For giggles, let's assume Desmond finds his way there to keep an eye on Locke *(who he intentionally put in the hospital to have him awaken to the OT - as Locke had no love interest on the island, his was always back on the mainland, the only option for Locke was to go with a near death experience, love always seemed to be a step too far away for him, then all you need is an excuse for Hurley to get there and you can have the whole crew in the one spot for one big scene of "Hey, I kind of remember you"
      • He hit Locke to make Locke remember the other timeline. If you'll notice the look on Locke's face when Jacob touched him in "The Incident," you'll notice that he had a similar look after Desmond hit him. Since Locke was with his soulmate in the alt. timeline, he needed to be reminded in some other way.
        • Not only will Locke remember the other timeline, but he will probably be able to walk like on the island.
          • There is nothing that supports this theory. Memories being "remembered" is a different thing entirely from regaining the ability to walk from another reality.
• Some great points in here. I agree that hitting Locke with the car is Desmond's way to get Locke to the hospital, but I think it is so Jack and fix his spine, like you said, making it possible for him to walk again. and by the two of them connecting, both Locke and Jack start to remember their island pasts.
  • This is killing "two birds with one stone". Locke will meet with Jack at the hospital and Desmond will be arrested or questioned by Miles and Sawyer.
• Another theory would be that Desmond was really trying to kill Locke in the FST. We have never seen what would happen to a dead body on the island if it's FST person is killed...
  • Maybe real Locke shows back up on the island.
  • In support of this is the manner in which Desmond hit Locke with the car. He accelerated to a very fast speed and turned on impact, as if to maximize the damage to Locke. Seemed a bit much if his goal was to only hurt him.
• Fake Locke comes to the island in the form of real Locke. Thus Desmond killing real Locke would prevent Fake Locke from making the transition. Fake Locke realizes this so he tries to kill Desmond by tossing him down the well.
• It makes no sense to say that near death experience and love interests are the only two ways to trigger an "OT recall" based only on the fact that these are the only two ways we've seen it happen. Why would this phenomenon arbitrarily have only two unrelated means of triggering it? More likely is that the OT recall is triggered when an incident in the FST mirrors one in the OT regarding something of great emotional significance. OT Charlie nearly died by asphyxiation and was revived by Jack, when the same thing happens to FST Charlie it triggers the "recall". When FST Desmond sees Charlie drowning behind a glass window, that triggers his first OT flash. It happens again when he's bombarded with magnetism, and a third time when he touches Penny. Three events of great significance to Desmond which mirror events or circumstances in the OT. Same thing with Daniel and with Hurley. It isn't just love and near-death events, it's anything emotionally significant to the character. Leads me to think that FST Alex is probably going to die.
  • It makes "no sense"? There are plenty of instances of binary or dual relationships in the Lost franchise. The whole series from episode to episode is peppered with Good/Bad, Yin/Yang, FreeWill/Fate, Black/White, etc. Why not Love and death (or near death) being the primary ways of connecting FS Losties to their OT memories? I'm not 100% married to the idea, but "it makes no sense" stretches it the other way.

Deja Vu Flash

Desmond was attempting to force a shift of consciousness for Locke between the timelines. This is supported by Sun's realization of her pregnancy in The Package. She wasn't referring to the Sideways Timeline, but the Original Timeline. This near-death experience brought back the memories of her pregnancy. Desmond somehow knows this and ran over Locke to trigger this phenomenon.

Déjà Vu Prior to Oceanic 815 Crash

• Desmond was attempting to recreate the most traumatic event in Locke's main-timeline existence, his fall from an 8 story building at the hands of his father. In the alt-timeline, Locke's relations w/ father are seemingly good so we can assume his disability did not arise this way.
• Desmond has no idea that Locke fell out of the building, because whenever Desmond would have seen Locke on the island he would have been walking. Desmond was trying to kill Locke because he believed Flocke was Locke when he pushed him in the well.

Déjà Vu After Oceanic 815 Crash

• Desmond wants Locke to regain his ability to walk -- running him over is an excuse to get him to a hospital where spinal super surgeon Jack can work his magic. The moment alt-Locke regains his "footing" is the critical experience-parallel that will open his eyes à la Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, Faraday, etc.
• Locke had no love on the island so giving him a near death experience was the only way to shift his mind to normal timeline Locke
  • It is not clear if Desmond is aware of who precisely Flocke is. He tells Flocke he is Locke, but it is possible he was lying to Flocke for his own purposes.
  • Locke arguably holds a characteristic unlike any of the other passengers on Oceanic 815. Most of our Losties (Jack, Hurley, Desmond, Charlie) have had someone that they loved on the Island in the OT. Even Ben could be argued to have had Alex as his sort of "love-themed constant" that would aid him in the memory recall that we're seeing in the Side-Timeline. In fact, as of yet, all the scenes showing us characters recalling memories from the OT are intimate and romantic. Which raises the question: What memories would come fleeting back to Locke? As strange as it sounds, Locke's closest "love" or "companion" on the Island in the OT was the Island itself.
    • Not all of the memories were of love. Desmond's first one was of Charlie drowning. Then later when he met Penny, he had a love one.
      • The Charlie memory, however, was related to Penny (The note on Charlie's hand).
    • To take it a step further- perhaps alt-Locke will merge with pre-MiB Locke meaning we will have the revival of the Locke everyone loves.

Disrupting MiB's Plans

• fLocke will attempt to use the sideways timeline as his way of escape from the island and Desmond was attempting to kill the vessel he would escape to (FST Locke's body)
  • At the beginning of the episode, Desmond said to Fake Locke "You are John Locke"; In a previous episode this season, Ilana said that the MIB cannot change from John Locke's body; So - in the island reality, MIB IS John Locke; Everyone on the island has an alternate self in the alternate universe; So, in order to trap the MIB (John Locke) on the island, Desmond has to remove John Locke from the alternate universe to keep MIB from being able to exist there; Therefore, Desmond attempted to kill John Locke by running him down with his car.

Getting Jack To Fix Him

Desmond knew Locke would be brought to the nearest hospital after he hit him. In Happily Ever After, Desmond saw Jack at the hospital so he's trying to bring Jack and Locke together so that Jack can fix him. After Jack gave Locke his card in LAX, people thought that Locke would be fixed by Jack but after Helen ripped the card, some gave up that hope. But now Desmond is trying to get Locke to go to Jack's hospital forcefully so he can be healed.

• This sort of idea may indeed happen and coming episodes will reveal if this is the case, however, it is unjustified claim. Some people seem to have this idea that Desmond wakes up every morning, enlightened, inspired, and becoming all-knowing. I really do not think this is the case, in fact, I think Desmond is the simplest straight-forward thinking of all our characters. He's seen so much shit and he questions very little of it. Therefore, it is my belief that Desmond is no more human than anyone else, and actually doesn't know anything more than we do about the various situations surrounding Lost at this moment.
  • It is a simple plan: Guy from the plane works at the hospital, put another guy from the plane in the hospital so they can meet. Just because he doesn't question much doesn't mean he isn't picking things up as he goes along.
    • Well, its a stretch. You have to assume:

I. that, Desmond knows Locke's condition can be fixed by conventional science,

II. that, Jack is a spinal surgeon.

III. that, Locke will even be rushed to Jack's hospital.

IV. that, Jack will even be working on that particular day and time!

• Desmond doesn't necessarily have to be "all-knowing" or know every detail of how the characters will meet and what they will do -- in fact, it's likely Desmond has no idea how this will go down. However, he knows that destiny will somehow bring them together given that they will be reminded of their alt. lives. All Desmond is thinking is getting Locke to the hospital (a place of significance given Desmond, Jack, and Charlie met there). Increasingly, the idea of "faith" in the unfolding series of events is taking center stage -- ie Desmond; Jack following Hugo -- and one doesn't need to "know" anything; they follow their intuition and just act accordingly.
  • One would expect that he might have wanted to talk to Locke first about going to the hospital and meeting someone there before, you know, trying to kill him for no apparent reason.

And like any poor theory, too many assumptions hold true. It makes more sense that Desmond is doing things on what we know rather on what we assume. He is trying to get the passengers of Oceanic 815 to wake up. His brutal manner in running him down may seem sadistic at first, but really, this life doesn't even matter, so who cares if Desmond has to run him down, it's not even 'real.' However, having said that, I do agree that Locke will end up in Jack's operating room. But its just important to note that its not part of Desmond's plan or forward thinking, this is just another Lost cosmic coincidence or as its simply known as, fate.

• In addition Desmond's method isn't anymore brutal than Charlie's. Lost is presenting us with another dichotomy or yin/yang scenario. There are two ways for the FST Oceanics to connect to their OT timelines:

Love

Pain, brutality, near death experience

He wants him to know that he has to die

in the OT, Locke died and Desmond knows this so this is why in the FST he attempts to kill locke to show him that it is his place to die

Desmond's Master Conundrum

Desmond is proved to be invincible and unable to defeated. He has incited fear in John Locke and poses a danger to Flocke's plan to leave the island. Flocke is unable to survive higher levels of energy. The young child smiles because Jacob is winning. Winning the war of course. If one is able to actively leave the island then that person takes on the role of Jacob. Jacob shared the island with others while MIB wants to prevent that.

• Can you substantiate anything in this theory? They all seem like guesses. And Desmond being "invincible" seems very outlandish.

The kid in the jungle

• The Kid seen in the jungle by Man in Black and Desmond is little Charlie. He's happy to see his Daddy (Desmond).
  • Man in Black tells Desmond to ignore the Kid because he knows Desi will 'sense' who the Kid really is.
• In a previous episode the Kid tells Man in Black, "You can't kill him". The 'him' he was referring to was Desmond.
• The kid in this episode is not the same kid as before. The kid in The Substitute had bright, blond hair. This kid had darker, dirty hair, and it did not look like the same actor, at all.
  • It was the same actor - same face, eyes and eyebrows, just his hair looked a little darker - but it is dirty blonde not bright blonde.
  • Yes, IMDB confirms that it is the same actor. So his different hair color means something. i won't link to IMDB because there are spoilers there. But it is the same actor.
    • There are two distinctly different kids that have appeared, firstly a younger Jacob (blonde/yin) and secondly a younger MIB (brunette/yang). MIB clearly did not want to face his younger self, hence imploring Desmond to ignore him and becoming quite agitated with his younger self's presence. MIB has clearly strayed from the path he was born to fulfill, i.e act as co-caretaker of the island with Jacob, and does not like to be reminded of his once innocent and pure self (albeit however long ago that was). Previously (...on Lost) younger Jacob had to remind MIB: "You know the rules" to ensure that he doesn't break any protocol whereas younger MIB simply said nothing to his older self, seeming mildly amused and showing slightly bemused non-approval to what he had become. Jacob and MIB were the original 'special' kids and brothers of sorts, but their paths have deviated a la biblical Jacob and Esau, as well as Cain and Abel, with MIB being the new age Cain after having a heavy hand in his 'brother's' death despite not actually holding the knife himself.
      • The Mysterious Boy is the same boy Sawyer and MiB saw earlier in Season 6. In Everybody Loves Hugo, he appears to have aged and grown. Possibly a reincarnation of Jacob?
        • It's only been a couple days, Island-time.
    • The mysterious Boy only shows himself to candidates that's why Richard didn't able to see him whereas Hume did see which means Desmond is the last recruit and new candidate to replace Jacob. Also that's subtle glimpse appears on his face while looking Desmond which can be inferred as MIB does not know everything as though he seems like and that'd be the twist.
    • Desmond Hume is not a candidate, however he is a "Constant" a link to all candidates either bringing them to the island (failed to press numbers in time, leading plane to crash) and now in Sideways Flash bringing the Candidates together (ordering flight manifest from George). He is also linked to the island through the Widmores (Penny, Daniel, Eloise, Charles). Although not a Candidate, certainly a crucial piece of the puzzle, thereby the Island allows him to see the Jungle Kid.
• The kid is a young MIB. While in the jungle he appeared to be grasping a walking stick, similar to the one FLocke was whittling earlier.
  • The kid is MIB's lost humanity. He was tricked into his imprisonment after doing something he believed to be right, probably having to do with love. Now MIB is being haunted by what he was now that he has a permanent shape and ran so far away from what he was.--Zaggs 17:10, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ben vs. Desmond outside school

• In the FST when Ben is questioning Desmond outside the school, he obviously makes direct eye contact with the Oceanic Flight 815 manifest either in Desmond's lap or passenger seat.

Ben also appear to remember something, he clearly started to stutter and mumble "mmh" sounds when first talking to Desmond.

• I think Ben was worried he had a snazzy dressed paedo on his hands to deal with.
  • Which can also explain the anxious glance at Desmond's lap.

Hurley's Sack

• The sack is the same sack found on Adam and Eve in series one and contains the black and white stones.
• After Ilana blows up, Hurley is seen going through her personal effects. He stumbles upon a sack containing white stones. One for every Candidate left on the island that Ilana needed to protect.
  • On the white stones are the names of the Candidates. Written in black ink.
• Inside the sack are Jacob's ashes, which Ilana previously collected in The Substitute.
  • Most definitely the sack with Jacob's ashes and maybe some other ash. It cannot be little stones with names on it because Ilana was a bit vague on who the exact candidates were, at least with the Kwons.
    • The Kwon in question of candidacy is Jin for sure. Jacob has been watching them since they were little children. At that point Sun's last name was Paik. Jin is the candidate.
• It can´t be ash because you could hear the stones thrum around.
  • After re-watching the scene with the sound on max, you're right, there are some faint stone moving sounds.
    • That's true BUT, if you watch the episode in which Ilana takes Jacob ashes, you also ear some stone moving sounds when she picks them up and you can see that it's the same bag.
      • The sounds are pieces of bone that were not totally burned by the fire. Even when people are cremated in real life, the body is placed in a special chamber where temperatures range between 1800°F - 2000°F and burn for about 2 hours until the body is reduced to ash and many bone fragments, the bones never completely burn to ashes - they break up, splitter but not turn into ash. This was the noise heard, not black/white rocks.http://www.everlifememorials.com/v/urns/cremation-process.htm

Desmond/Locke

• It appears that when FLocke initially embarks on his excursion with Desmond, that he's doing what he's done time and time before. Journeying through the jungle, talking about good and evil, maybe he'll treat you to some scrumptious boar, or show you a cave on the side of a cliff, or even an ancient well. Regardless of the method, Flocke's goal is always to try to lure and manipulate people in believing (in) him. However, at the well, once the theatrics were done, Flocke appeared significantly distressed by Demsond's light-hearted responses and his overall invulnerability in being afraid at that moment. Flocke's failure in swaying Desmond's heart infuriated him. This, ironically, made Flocke fearful of what Desmond may be capable of. After all, if Flocke merely had the sole intention of killing Desmond, he could have done it much earlier
  • Desmond could be a candidate now, meaning MiB cannot kill him.
• Desmond knows that Locke is the MiB. He simply told him he believed he was Locke to trick him.
• "You're John Locke" should be interpreted as "You're 'John Locke'" -- a deliberate non-answer and both of them know it.
• Desmond seemed to know that his fate was to end up in the well. He willingly went with Sayid, and again went willingly with Locke and 'wasn't even afraid.'
  • Desmond knows what will happen, so he knows that whatever is happening is supposed to happen. Thus he just goes along with it all because somehow he knows where it will all lead to.
• Once Desmond asks "What is the point of being afraid?", FLocke realizes he may be someone that proves Jacob's point that not everyone is inherently corrupt.
• Flocke is afraid of Desmond. Those that are not afraid of Flocke are a threat to him. He requires the control, with Desmond there is none. Desmond is able to withstand Electromagnetic Flashes, so far. Flock may be testing him to see if he can survive another one.

The Well:Frozen Donkey Wheel

• Desmond is in the well with the Frozen Donkey Wheel
  • Unlikely as the frozen wheel is located beneath the Orchid at this point in time.
  • Counterpoint: John Locke went down (presumably) the same well to reach the frozen donkey wheel in The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham.
    • No that well was filled (prior to '54 but after 1860) in modern times. Flocke said there are many wells (probably conforming to the pockets that Jin had mapped out with Dharma), as said above the Orchid sits on the donkey wheel well.
      • Maybe there's more than one frozen donkey wheel.
        • There might be, if we assume every well on the island has its own donkey wheel. If we are to believe what Flocke tells Des: "This is not the only well".

The Well:A new well

• Desmond is in a different well with an as-yet unseen device inside of it
• The well is what it seems: it was created a long time ago to access one of the electromagnetic pockets that Jin mapped.
• Pushing Desmond down the well into the electromagnetic anomaly is Locke's way of killing him without him remaining on the island as a whisper (However, unknown to Locke, Desmond can survive this). Once Desmond hits the pocket of energy he awakes back in FST.
• The wells are connected via underground tunnels. These same tunnels are the Cerberus Vents. Because of MiB's inability to withstand the EM pylons, perhaps the tunnels were a way of routing the monster around the island, in effect, a way to control and direct the "security system" by utilizing the Electromagnetism found in each well.
• Being in the well of electromagnetism might allow Desmond the ability to bring knowledge from the OT into the FST. This may explain the *ahem* harsher introduction to Locke in the FST. Dez knew he was a bad man.

The Well: A Reference to Genesis / Thomas Mann's "Joseph" Tetralogy/Murakami's "Windup Bird Chronicle"

• Desmond being thrown into the well corresponds to the biblical Joseph, son of Jakob, being imprisoned in the well by his half-brothers.
• The first novel of German author Thomas Mann's Joseph Tetralogy, "Die Geschichten Jaakobs", chronicling the events around Jakob and Joseph as told in Genesis, begins with a literary prelude titled "descent into hell" - "Deep is the well of history", supposed to lead the reader deep into the founding myth's of the history of mankind. Desmond, having demonstrated an awareness of the depths of his world(s), is thus related both to the Joseph character and to the narrator in Thomas Mann's novel.)
• In Haruki Murakami's novel "The Windup Bird Chronicle" the protagonist spends several days in the bottom of a dry well on the site of "spiritual disturbances." At the bottom of the well, the character can fall through into another alternate reality.

The Well: Construction

• FLocke explains to Desmond that the well is very old, and that old explorers dug to find out what made their compasses flip out. However, he also adds that they did not find what they were looking for. Then what is the deal with the frozen wheel? Are the people who built the well the same people who built the frozen wheel? This is starting to seem unlikely. The people built the well were looking for that wheel/pocket and never found it. The only group to get closest to finding what they were looking for was the Dharma during drilling in the Orchid. Therefore, if even the earliest explorers dug and found nothing, and so did the Dharma basically, then can one assume that the Frozen Wheel was never actually built by any 'man.' It would appear to be more inherent to the island, almost part of its natural habitat..
  • however, Ben and presumably the Others knew about the Frozen Wheel. For how long they've known or how is still a mystery. It is possible they found out through Dharma, only after Dharma had initially discovered it.

Ilana Goes Boom

As Ben rewardingly points out, Ilana - hand-picked by Jacob himself, to come and serve a purpose, dies horribly. Why and possibly, who/what is responsible?

Jacob?

• It would seem unlikely that Jacob was responsible in killing Ilana, but perhaps he is guilty of not intervening in saving her life.
  • Jacob is dead. He's not responsible for killing her or for choosing not to save her. He couldn't do either. Perhaps if he were still alive, she wouldn't have died a horrible death.
• After-all, Ilana describes her relationship with Jacob as father and daughter
• However, he did tell Ilana to look to Richard for the next move, which leads him to reach the conclusion that they need to procure dynamite, which inevitably leads to Ilana man-handling the explosives and paying the price.
  • But, what if the point was for Ilana to blow up so Hurley would destroy the rest of the dynamite? What if Jacob knew Richard would want to destroy the plane, so he told Ilana to ask Richard what to do, which would lead Ilana to get the dynamite, explode, and inspire Hurley's actions?
  • This bothers me for 2 reasons:
    • A: Seems incredibly twisted, even for Jacob's taste.
    • B: If you re-watch the episode, it's Michael's appearance that inspires Hurley and sets him on his p

FLocke/MiB? maybe after llana got killed she woke up in a Russian hospital with jacob standing over her.

• FLocke's main victims have come directly through brute force via the smoke monster.
• FLocke has not been seen to be able to exert the power to jam revolvers or prevent someone from dying
  • He does loosen the rope binding Ben's arms in the Dr. Linus episode.
  • However, right before the Kahana explodes, Christian Shepard appears before Michael and tells him he can go now. As we know, there is some existing relationship/connection between C. Shepard and MiB.
    • Then it's doubtful that MiB and Christian are one and the same, because if they were, then MiB could have escaped off the island through the Kahana.
      • But they could be the same person, because he couldn't have escaped on the Kahana because, at that time, Jacob was still alive.
        • They can't be the same person, because Christian Shepard was at the barracks with Sun and Frank at the same time MiB was with Ben and Ilana at the Hydra infirmary.
          • He has to leave with every candidate, so he couldn't just go in the Kahana.
        • MIB cannot suddenly appear, he has to travel to where ever the Avatar he uses shows up (think Eko and his brother). But MIB cannot travel across water (he cannot get to Hydra Island without a boat). Hence MIB could not have gotten to the Kahana unless he was on the Helicopter. MIB was not on the Helicopter.

Richard

• As Richard himself points out, Jacob does not usually give specific instructions. Richard, not Jacob, is responsible for the dynamite idea, even if Jacob did instruct Ilana to pay heed to Richard. It was unnecessary for Richard to have Ilana fool around with unstable dynamite to begin with. A plane's delicate instrumentation can easily be destroyed by half a dozen determined people and even primitive tools/clubs.
  • Furthermore, wouldn't a logical group of individuals stop and say, "Hey, let's get Richard, the man who can't die, to handle all dynamite-carrying related business"? Don't put it in the hands of one the people we know is expendable (following candidate idea). But it could be just poor storytelling.

The Island (Third Party Idea)

• As Ben states clearly, "The Island was done with her." Perhaps neither Jacob nor MiB have the power to keep someone alive or allow them to die in some weird Final Destination type death. Perhaps it is exactly as Ben puts it, The Island, as an entity, has the power to eliminate players/candidates/characters once they fulfill some destined role.
  • This leads into the idea that Jacob and MiB are also players within the game and not the end-all be-all.
• The island has been shown to be able to stop death (as seen in Black Rock scene with Jack and Richard or many suicide attempts of Michael and Jack off the island). It can easily be able to cause death as well.
  • But were those two situations the island stopping their deaths, or Jacob stopping their deaths? We know Jacob touched Jack, and made Richard immortal.
    • This is exactly a point that will have to be resolved before the end of the show, who sits on the top of the pyramid? As we have witnessed throughout the seasons, the show has baited the audience slowly on who exactly reigns over the island. At one point it was assumed to be Mr. Friendly, then Ben, some even then led to believe it was Richard, and then Jacob. Perhaps, one final surprise will reveal that even Jacob answers to somebody

Don't Play with Fireworks

• Perhaps it's as simple as dynamite is highly unstable and very combustible, end of story.
• It's her own stupid fault really. Arzt barely shook his hand and he blew up. Ilana was swinging her bag around like it was nothing.
  • Richard took a stick and lit it on fire, it seems a great force is at will.
  • She trains for this and doesn't bother to put a bunch of sand in the bag with the highly unstable dynamite? Odd.
    • Richard can´t die! Everyone else should have been and was careful with TNT from the Black Rock in all of its various appearances, and some died anyway. Is she really so dumb as to just throw the bag down, or was it on purpose?
• As stated above, half a dozen people or so don't need dynamite to render a plane unable to fly, a pair of wire cutters and a crowbar should do just fine. Michael told Hurley he was there to "stop them from blowing up the plane," not "stop them from keeping MIB on the island." Michael knew, perhaps from Jacob, that they needed to stop MIB from leaving, but not to use the dynamite to do so because of exactly what happened, the dynamite is unstable, unsafe, and can cause more harm than good considering there are other ways to keep the plane grounded.

Course Correction

• Her injuries when Jacob visited her in the hospital before probably should have killed her; however, the Island preserved her life. Once the Island was done with her, course correction set in and she is killed.

Reward

• It could be Jacob's way of saying thank you and letting the person go (kinda twisted, but). If the Island and Jacob were done with her, they spared her the long process of dying and granted a painless (i never been blown up by the dynamite but I don't think Ilana felt anything). Hence she was thrown into the FST and chilling there getting all the goodies and perks of the universe where wishes are granted.
  • This assumes that Jacob is responsible for the FST and the subjective idea that the FST is 'good.' However, it seems likely that the FST is the 'wrong one' and will soon collapse as Desmond pushes on with his mission

Motives of the Spirits/Ghosts

General

• Given that spirits appear and whispers are heard when something significant's going to happen, it would appear that they have the best perspective of what is happening on the island. Every now and again, they seem to have knowledge of future events (See Michael's motives below)
• They may be trying to earn their way out of purgatory by helping out the living.

Michael's motives

• Michael said he is trapped on the island. Maybe he can escape or be freed if the MiB leaves the island, and that is why he tells Hugo not to blow up the plane.
  • Perhaps he is now in the same situation as MiB, and therefore desires the same endgame. After all, they are apparently both stuck on the island.
• Michael is lying. His definition of the whispers doesn't make sense. First, there is Walt, who appeared after the sounds of whispers when he was still alive; also, there is Mr. Eko's brother Yemi, who was dead, but was a priest and free of sin, and therefore shouldn't be trapped. Michael is either lying, or that's not Michael.
  • It's not Michael's explanation of the whispers. It's the "show's" explanation.
  • His definition of the whispers does make sense. Walt was special; we don't know exactly why, but the kid could kill birds with his mind. They asked if he had ever "been somewhere he wasn't supposed to be." Walt could probably either go between dimensions like Desmond or project more than one copy of himself. Yemi died before the plane crashed, and MIB was using Yemi's body to appear to Eko. Hurley can see dead people for crying out loud, Michael is dead. People have been speculating since the 3rd season that the whispers were people from previous loops.
• Michael claimed that the whispers are tied in with people who are stuck on the island. MIB is indeed stuck on the island and therefore would be accompanied by the whispers. This would explain the reason why Walt and Yemi were accompanied by the whispers.
  • Yemi and Co. were accompanied by whispers not because of their source, (manifestations of the MiB) but simply the event or situation that is occurring. For example, the 'whispering ghosts' observe, converse and even perhaps try to warn characters of looming or impending danger, or some other significant happening. Having passed on, they probably do know more about the nature of the island then when they were alive. Therefore, when they witness the MiB manifesting and projecting to the characters, the whispers become direly concerned because they know the true reality of what/who the MiB is and are fearful for what the MiB might do to our Lost cast.
• The Whispers are of all the souls that the Black Smoke has claimed on the island. I don't believe Hurley was talking to Michael, that was another manifestation of the MIB. I don't think Hurley understands the difference yet, but I beleive the whispers are the key to determining if it is the Black Smoke vs dead people visiting.

Consequences

• Choosing to not destroy the plane could result in these situations:

1. 1. MiB will kidnap/force the remaining candidates to get on the Ajira flight, ending everything.
   2. Hurley will sabotage the plane at the last minute.
   3. One or more of the non-candidates will be killed.
   4. Desmond will somehow prevent the plane from taking off.
   5. Richard's group will prevent the plane from taking off.

• The plane is irrelevant. We know there's a submarine, even if Richard's group doesn't yet, so blowing up the plane doesn't affect MIB's ability to leave the Island. That plane could never take off anyway: pointed the wrong way, probably with insufficient space and an inappropriate surface on which to gain liftoff, and with old fuel.
  • Also, it seems likely enough that Desmond, at the bottom of the well, is poised to turn the donkey wheel (or interact with some part of the island's magic machinery), activating an electromagnetic event similar to the one he caused by not pushing the button in the hatch. It would be fitting for Desmond, having inadvertently crashed 815, to now actively choose to crash the Ajira plane as it leaves the island with MiB on board through a similar method.
  • MIB seems to be stopped by water and sonic vibrations. Traveling on the sub, while it may not kill MIB, would be pure hell for him. Consider the sSonar beacon the submarine needs to navigate not to mention the pressure on the sub when dived may affect MIB differently then everyone else.--Zaggs 17:26, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Jack and MiB Face to Face

When Jack and Flocke came face to face...

• MiB had a look of fear. MIB knows Jack is the true candidate.
  • MiB has Locke's memories. He's remembering everything that transpired between Jack and Locke.
  • MiB was not afraid, only Jack was.
• Jack had a look of fear. Something happened to Jack. Something important.
  • I, for one, would also be somewhat scared if I was standing in front of some kind of shape-shifting evil incarnate. So explanation of why he had look of fear is probably not necessary.
  • But Jack knows it's not really Locke.
  • Jack and Locke have a huge history, and it's the first time he has seen him since before the Ajira flight. It feels like we have known about Flocke forever, but only a few days have gone by on the island this entire season. Jack has only known that "Locke" was still "alive" for a few days. It must be pretty hard to wrap your head around the idea that someone has come back to life. Even though Jack knows it isn't Locke, it's Locke's body. He's having trouble telling his brain that it isn't actually Locke. Anyone would be disturbed if they saw someone that had died walking around again.
    • Also, keep in mid how affected Jack was by the news of Locke's death. Jack was the only one at his funeral. Jack had to put his own father's shoes on Locke's corpse. Jack is just recovering from a lengthy mental breakdown, and seeing Locke alive and well isn't helping him with his daddy issues.
• The reason Flocke only greeted Jack, is because Jack is the only one who hasn't met him yet. The sight of Locke has just shocked Jack.
  • Hurley hadn't met MiB in a human form until this episode.
    • Hurley is also the first of the Candidates to NOT let MiB speak first.
• It is possible that fake Locke is Christian, Jack's father - after all Jack did see him several times on the island, and Locke saw him too before turning the wheel - yes it could merely have been only MiB, but it could be he is really Christian.

Zen Desmond

• Desmond was not feeling fear about being alone with MiB. He then got thrown down into a well. Desmond is not afraid or worried about his path on the island anymore because he knows his FS counterpart is working on setting the timelines straight.
  • Desmond is pure determinism at this point. His consciousness never left the FST, as such his OT consciousness just does what it's told, acts without any free will. His salvation for everyone else is the transfer of consciousness for everyone on the flight from OT into FST.
    • But it seems quite the opposite; that FST Desmond wants everyone in the FST to remember the OT and transfer their consciousness to the OT.
      • He definitely wants everyone in the FST to remember the OT, but we have no evidence that he wants to transfer anything. Desmond touched his own OT consciousness and received from Daniel the explanation that something in the OT made them want to change something. Now that they have, Desmond wants to reconnect everyone with their OT memories so that they can all reclaim in the FST what was important to them in the OT.

Whispers and The Others

• For the better part of the series, The Whispers have generally been associated with the presence of "The Others". If the idea that The Whispers are voices of souls stuck on the island is true, then that would mean that some of "The Others" that we've seen in the past/present have in fact been ghosts. This would also mean that while Hurley can see them at all times, these ghosts do have the ability to reveal themselves to anyone should they choose to.
  • Not only does the newly revealed information on the whispers NOT imply that some Others we've seen are themselves ghosts, but also Hurley has never been shown to "see (souls trapped on the island) at all times". Hurley's power is seemingly subject to the will of any spirit he talks to (with the possible exception of his first conversation with ghost Charlie, at the end of which Hugo seems to will him away) in that they show up whenever they feel like and leave the same way, with no way for Hurley to find them himself or call on them in any way. It seems that the whispers have an agenda unrelated to Jacob's or MiB's. It would make sense that the agenda of the whispers falls in line with the desires of the people who's spirits are whispering. They tend to precede attacks from the others and from smokey in any form, so it seems like they are just trying to protect people. This holds with Ben telling Rousseau to run the other way when she hears whispers. If Ben had no real desire to bring Rousseau any harm, telling her to use the whispers as an alarm was pretty sound advice, even if it was (in Ben's eyes) just to prevent her getting caught by the Others.
  • Typically the whispers are heard before The Others make an appearance.
    • It is assumed The Others are the source of the whispers, however, it is the whispers that appear before the Smoke Monster arrives. The Whispers have been traditionally followed by the "tick tick" sound and black smoke - hence the ghosts providing a warning to those in danger. Knowing that alive inhabitants might be a little perturbed by the sound, this is a pretty good warning; and the alerted islanders run for cover. This is also indicated by Danielle Rousseau "when you hear the whispers run)
    • There are no tracks left - if they are ghosts or smoke; no tracks would be left. Ghosts cannot be seen by inhabitants other than Hugo Reyes (others might have seen them, but they are possible deceased).

• • • The Others don't leave tracks simply because they're well trained and experienced and know how to set dummy trails or remove their tracks entirely.
  • In Season 5 The Whispers are heard before Christian Shepherd reveals himself to Sun and Lapidus in the Dharma barracks
    • This would potentially confirm that Christian is in fact a spirit
  • At the beginning of Season 6 when Kate/Jack/Hurley/etc... are in the tunnels leading to the temple, whispers are heard before The Others kidnap them.
• Perhaps the whispers show themselves only in times of trouble. They are not associated with Others, MiB, or higher power even. They watch, and when something big is going down, they're 'talking' becomes more intense and it gets louder, to the point where the audience and characters can hear them. Therefore, the whispers are tied to events that happen, not factions/people. The reason they appear so often with the Others is because for a lot of the time, the Others were committing kidnappings, deceptions, raids and so forth, which would have invited a lot of talk among the witnessing whispering ghosts.
• The Whisper transcripts need updating for later episodes, but the ones that exist can seem to indicate "ghosts" who both watch the action of the Losties but also attempt to manipulate the action in some undisclosed way.
  • For example, during the whisper sequence with Charlie on the beach, the following statements were made:

"Grab it right now" "I know I've had it" "Let's get him moving" "Are you confused or something ?" (sped up) "He's just leaving him " (reversed) "We can all raise this baby " Many such examples of "action" exist.

• It seems clear that death (and love) are "Doors" in the Lostverse. Some people get stuck on the other side of the door without moving on. When Ilana dies, she will "wake up" surrounded by a myriad of ghosts and will work with them for whatever their endgame is.

• • Whisper Transcript definitely should be updated BEFORE the end of Lost, would be very interesting to know what they say for the last few missing episodes.
• In the first season, there is a boar that is taunting Sawyer, and it's accompanied by whispers saying "it'll come back around," which are the last words of the man Sawyer killed, leading Sawyer to believe that the boar is the ghost of the man he killed. Lost's explanations of the whispers make sense for that episode, but it is unclear why that man's spirit would end up on the island.
  • It could just be what Sawyer, with his guilty-conscience, imagined the whispers to be saying when he heard them.

• • When Ben steals Alex, he tells Danielle that when she hears "whispers" to run away. What does that say about what Ben/The Others know about what the whispers are??