Hieróglifos/Theories

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• A Iniciativa Dharma pode usar hieroglífos egípcios por que os estuda
• A traduçao dos simbolos é somente uma parte da charada- podem haver outros significados para eles
  • The symbols may have a second meaning if you take them one by one - either the symbolic meaning (eg "health" or literal meaning "folded cloth")
  • In addition to the other theories the glyphs match up very closely with the apollo naming system of the stations. We can clearly see the swan (cygnus), the arrow (sagitta), the flame (or what people think is the rocket, apollo), the crow (corvus), and possibly the snake handler (one of the passing images, Orphiuchus). Could this possibly be swan linking up with other stations when the timer isn't reset?
  • They may have a double meaning that goes with the theory about star constellations listed in the article on The Swan

• If Faux Henry knew about the timer from another hatch, perhaps the code in this hatch was different to the one in The Swan. Instead of entering 4 8 15 16 23 42, he may have added the default code from his own station into the Swan's computer, which may also have initiated the Supply Drop.
  • Could also explain the appearance of the other hieroglyphs - different hatches with different codes could activate different messages and options (assuming each hatch has a computer and a code to input), e.g Swan = timer = prevent anomaly (also possible disguise of the island from the supposed "outside world", as suggested by other Lostfans to explain the bright violet "aurora-like" light in Season 2 finale), Faux Henry's hatch = possible food drops (could also activate a lockdown of the apparently fake Station being guarded by The Others), etc etc
  • Heiroglyphs in another station could have been misinterpreted as "Good Ones" - making the Others believe they really are the "good ones" (Unlikely as we don't know anyone with the ability to read ancient Egyptian script).
• May be part of (or even the answer to) the Valenzetti Equation. We learn in the Lost Experience that the Hieroglyphs have an apparent significance with the equation.
• May have a question and answer relation to a System Failure. If the intended translation of the hieroglyphs is in fact "cause to die", when they all click in, the electromagnetic field begins to expand rapidly. Concerning this, the cause of death would equal a system failure. Cause of Death=System Failure.
• May make an alternative word if placed in a different order. In the Season 2 finale, as the electromagnetic energy of the system failure rips the counter box apart, you can see that all the symbols are actually on each of the five reels. Therefore, perhaps a different circumstance or input will result in a different hieroglyphic message.
• The phonetic values of these glyphs can be translated as S W DA A L, an early spelling of 'Swaddle'. 'Swaddle' is one of only 5 English word uses which were of Egyptian Origin.
• The producers stated that the glyphs are symbols of the "underworld". They may actually be refering to the underground conduits mentioned on the BLD and seen when locke is nearly sucked into that hole by the smoke monster. The underworld could be how the smoke creature moves around or perhaps an underground travel method for the Dharma people. The glyphs may represent the magnetic build-up or the-like in this underworld. The existence of this underworld is substantiated by the fact that all the hatches have power which likely comes from a central place, perhaps the swan. As well, the staff has an escape hatch and the swan did before the incident which may lead into these conduits.

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Hieróglifos da escotilha: Teoria do hieróglifo nº. 2 e símbolos adicionais

Hieróglifos que aparecem ao final da segunda temporada

Note that these theories are despite the producers' statement that the hieroglyphs translate to (and thus are intended to mean) the equivalent of "underworld".

• The symbols may translate to: "Kill!" (the "caus." in the image to the right meaning "causative" which lead to another translation: "Cause to die" or "Make someone die" or "The cause of death" or "Kill").

The 5 digits on the post-zeroed counter are:

Digit	Manuel de codage	phonetics	Interpretation
1 [X00:00]	s or S29	s	Of the list of Crowns, Dress(es) & Staves (plural of Staff) (pretty (non-functional) clothing): this egyptian hieroglyph represents: "a folded cloth" AND "health"
2 [0X0:00]	w or Z7 -> G43	w	hieratic "curl" for "[a] quail chick")
3 [00X:00]	DA or U29	d	Of the list of Agriculture, Crafts & Professions (food storage, pottery & cooking): this egyptian hieroglyph represents: "[a] fire drill" AND "healthy"
4 [000:X0]	A or G1	a or (stop)	Of the list of Birds (creatures who have the knowledge of the Supreme Being(s) that watch down upon you (egyptian mythology)): this egyptian hieroglyph represents: "[a] vulture" OR "evil-" see The Swan for theories The direction the bird faces typically indicates the direction the text should be read (right-to-left in this case).
5 [000:0X]	Z6 -> A13 OR A14	determinative (further information about the full word)	Of the list of Strokes & Geometrical Figures (hieratic (shorthand/simplified-hieroglyphics) of danger) of Man & His Occupations: this hieratic: "stick" for egyptian hieroglyphs represents:{"man with his hands bound behind him" AND "rebel" AND "enemy"} OR {"man with an axe in his head" AND "to die" AND "dead enemy"} It is also one of the egyptian symbols for "dead". It may stand at the end of the word as an determinative. It also resembles an arrow .

This would make it "s-w-DA-A-Z6" in the Manuel de codage format, used by TKSESH. In a different format, the Symbols would be coded as S29-Z7-U29-G1-Z6. The phonetic translation "swda" seems to translate into "die" or "to die" or "it dies". The phonetics could also be "suda" which means "fortress/stronghold" in Latin. This might be a reference to the blast doors.

It was pointed out, that the symbols in the show may have slight variations (a glitch in a stroke of the bird symbol, a notch in a line,...) in them that only occur in the one defined line of the (handwritten) dictionary that was used to determine this translation (see image to the right). It is very likely that the symbols were actually taken from this very page and line of the dictionary by the makers of the show.

There are more symbols that are only seen flipping by. One of them may be the symbol for "child" (a recurring theme in the show) or for "eat, drink, speak, think, feel", another may represent "knife". No phonetic transliteration is given in the source.

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The 'child' (or 'eat, drink, speak, think, feel') hieroglyphs shown in two positions simultaneously

Os hieroglífos podem ser re-interpretedados. A cofusão está no símbolo do pássaro. It may be a Buzzard instead of a Vulture, as demonstrated by the squared off lower tail -- the same symbol with a rounded tail is Vulture, with the sound "3" (guttural stop). Words with Fire Drill in it are often words of movement or journey. If the last symbol should change to Walking Legs ("iwi" or "nmtt"), and if the second is the Quail Chick (as is now known from the finale, in the "die" translation), the entire word will be very close to "depart" or "proceed". For this to be true, the last symbol would have to change although it is already locked in. A theory is that if the occupants stop entering The Numbers, they will be able to leave the island.

In any attempt to translate Hieroglyphics the kingdom they represent is imperative. It makes the difference between understanding each glyph as an idea or a phonetic value. Phonetically, reading right to left because this is the direction in which the Kite faces, you get "OATCHAUS". I would site Dr. Budge and his many books on Hieroglyphics. Whether you look at this as a transliteration to English or Egyption I can find no such name or word. If you look at it as first period, in other words each glyph as an idea, there exists more cohesive thought. Glyph five, the staff looking one, is defined as Calamity or Disaster. Figure four, the Kite is a bird of prey. Figure three is a Fire stick or drill. Figure two is a measure, cord, or the number 100. The first figure or bolt of cloth is described as a causative. In this form Hieroglyphics must be understood on an emotional level. Here the thoughts lead to a desater that persues. The fire stick measures the cause. In other words it is a warning of impending calamity. The fire stick would obviously refer to what ever magnetic producing aparatus hides behind the concrete bunkers and stands in need of attention every 108 minutes. The measure and causative figures could speak to the 108 minutes and insinuate that failure to understand the measures (need to push the button in the aloted time limit) will cause the calamity depicted by the fifth figure. Taken as ideas it makes more sense, unless someone knows what a "OATCHAUS" is.